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Ninth Circuit Stunner: 2nd Amendment Protects Public Open Carry.


Friday, July 27, 2018

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Yea...those 9th Circuit Liberals !!

Gun control advocates undoubtedly awoke with a piercing headache Wednesday morning as the news sunk in that the U.S. appellate court for America’s largest circuit has recognized that the Second Amendment protects a right to openly carry loaded firearms in public for self-defense. The ruling came Tuesday in the case of Young v. State of Hawaii.

George Young is a veteran infantryman, law enforcement officer, and Hawaii native who was turned down for both concealed and open carry licenses in Hawaii County, at which point he filed his own federal lawsuit challenging the county’s administration of the state’s licensing laws for firearms carry. Young’s primary claim was that the county’s denial of his applications violated his Second Amendment right to carry a loaded firearm in public for self-defense. The trial court initially dismissed his complaint, ruling that the Second Amendment “establishes only a narrow individual right to keep an operable handgun at home for self-defense,” and does not implicate the public carrying of firearms at all.

Young appealed with the help of California attorney Alan Beck, who took on his case for free. The case was heard by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, a longstanding battlefield for attempts to vindicate the right to “bear” arms under the Second Amendment, with the challenges primarily arising from California’s notoriously strict gun control laws.

Most recently, an en banc panel of the Ninth Circuit had dodged the question of whether various California counties could effectively limit carrying in public for self-defense to those who could show an extraordinary “need” to do so. By the time that case was heard, California had banned the open carrying of firearms in public for self-defense outright, but concealed carry licenses for this purpose remained theoretically available.

Nevertheless, California counties have considerable discretion in implementing the state licensing laws, and some local licensing officials require applicants to show an extraordinary need for self-protection that distinguishes them from the general population. This requirement by design eliminates the vast majority of otherwise qualified applicants.

Yet rather than answer the essential question of whether the Second Amendment protects a right of public carry, the en banc Ninth Circuit simply decreed that concealed carry was not protected and that the plaintiffs therefore could not make a Second Amendment complaint for denial of a license to do so. The upshot is that California residents in the affected counties have no legal option for exercising their right to bear firearms in public.

That case, however, left undecided whether open carry of loaded firearms in public for self-defense might still be protected, and that was the claim that Mr. Young pressed before the appellate court. Two out of three judges answered this question in the affirmative. “The right to bear arms must include, at the least, the right to carry a firearm openly for self-defense,” Judge Diarmuid O’Scannlain wrote for the majority.

The court therefore remanded the case to the lower court for further proceedings, presumably so it could order Hawaii County to reevaluate Mr. Young’s application for an open carry license without regard to local regulations that effectively limit such licenses to carrying for professional purposes.

What this decision means for the other jurisdictions in the Ninth Circuit – which includes Alaska, Arizona, California, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Washington State, Guam, and the Northern Marianas Islands – remains to be seen. The court hinted, but did not decide, that a concealed carry licensing regime might be sufficient to protect the right to bear arms by offering an “alternative channel” for lawful public carry.

It also made clear, however, that access to the right cannot be limited to “a small and insulated subset” but must include, as a rule, “the typical, law-abiding citizen.” It additionally went on to clarify that “nothing in our opinion … would prevent the State from regulating the right to bear arms,” provided the regulations did not render the right a mere “illusory promise.”

That obviously leaves many questions left unanswered. The court’s decision therefore should not embolden residents in restrictive jurisdictions to immediately ignore local laws and expect to open carry with impunity. How far states and localities can go in regulating the right will undoubtedly take additional litigation to determine.

Needless to say, moreover, the split panel decision might not represent the final word in the case. It could still be reversed by the en banc court, as was a previous pro-carry panel decision written by Judge O’Scannlain. And, of course, Hawaii officials could also petition to have the case heard by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Nevertheless, the anti-gun wing of the Ninth Circuit has few maneuvers left to continue to deny the constitutional right to bear firearms in public. It would either have to be the first circuit to declare there was no such right at all or decide that a right the Constitution ascribes to “the people” applies only to a hand-selected few. So far, even the dominant liberal contingent of the Ninth Circuit has been unable to muster a majority opinion for either proposition.

NRA/ILA will monitor developments carefully and report on them as they occur.

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I'm wondering how current law enforcement in Kommiefornia will handle this, since most cities have municipal codes prohibiting open carry. Are these mini codes obsolete due to the 9th Circuit, or will it immediately move up to SCOTUS for a final verdict?
 
Not sure Mark...

Open Carry IS the law of the land in Pennsylvania...but, I wouldn't go heeled down the street in Philly without being stopped and asked WTHeck I was trying to prove.

NOPE...Law is one thing...Location is usually the other. Middle Pennsylvania...pickup trucks ride around with shotguns and rifles in the window rack...people walk down the street with obvious handguns out...but those Class I cities...havens of liberals...frown on it.

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Moved out of Philly into the "Burbs...

Early on a liberal ******* neighbor sees me walking my dog...no doubt watching to see if I pick up the poop...which I did and evidently briefly exposed my concealed piece.

I then walked back to the house...returned my dog...got into my Jeep and went to the post office. Come back and the wife hands me an Abington Twp cops card...saying I had to call him.

Wife reports walking by the back kitchen window and she sees a cop in our back yard. As that was happening, another loudly knocks on the front door...she answers it and was asked "if she could step out" and that's when she noticed two cops going down either side of my property. 4 cops...front, both sides. and back, had my house surrounded. She was asked "where the white male who was walking the dog was...?" She replies my husband just went to the PO...he'll be right back. She tells him I have a carry permit for the firearm.

I come back...she says the neighbor...who knew where I lived and who I was...had reported a man "carrying" a gun. Never mind the brandishing laws ( None in PA ) and that an obvious run of my name would reveal my LTCF at that address...they responded like I was waving it around and pointing it at people with evil intent.

I call...1 cop shows...and as I offer the LTCF to prove I'm a "permit" holder, he refuses it and said he was just doing his job. Then we talk about guns, his duty weapon, etc.

I tell him I didn't appreciate that show of force and that he should go back to that liberal fascists and inform her that she was wrong in the way she reported it...that I was permitted to own and carry a firearm...and that I did so for the DoD for 8 years before retirement.

He laughed, said he would touch base with her, we shook hands...and he left.

I know who she was...have knocked on her door as a Republican Committee Man for our Ward...she looks out and doesn't answer...and she has seen me multiple times at the polling station handing out Republican literature as she walks by muttering she's a Democrat.

******* Liberal Bitch...knew she was causing me a hassle.

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Oh my Shooter, are you loosing that "Philadelphia Brotherly Love & Sisterly affection"???:rolleyes:
 
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Hell No...!!

Roots Brother...

Just telling Mark how it is in the basically gun friendly Keystone State

The story I related after that observation happened in Abington TWP...Montgomery County...the Glen....been up here 18 years this past February.

When the wife and I moved up here, a guy down the road waved at me...I turned and asked the wife why the **** that guy just threw me the finger...

She said relax...he was just waving hello.

You
never forget the tough streets of Philly.

It's part of you... :wait:


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And that's why I love ya Bro, because we're from those same Philly streets & culture, we tell it like it is & are not afraid to to the same!!!:green man:
 
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I'm wondering how current law enforcement in Kommiefornia will handle this, since most cities have municipal codes prohibiting open carry. Are these mini codes obsolete due to the 9th Circuit, or will it immediately move up to SCOTUS for a final verdict?
Well you can certainly bet that it will throw a giant monkey-wrench into the 'gun-free-utopia' of California...
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The lawsuit wasn't against the state of Hawaii, it was against the county municipality.
So the answer to your question is yes, it will affect ALL of the municipal mini-codes.
If you read the first post, it is aimed (pardon pun:D) squarely at California.
 
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9th circuit court said:
“The right to bear arms must include, at the least, the right to carry a firearm openly for self-defense,” Judge Diarmuid O’Scannlain wrote for the majority...
It also made clear, however, that access to the right cannot be limited to “a small and insulated subset” but must include, as a rule, “the typical, law-abiding citizen.” It additionally went on to clarify that “nothing in our opinion … would prevent the State from regulating the right to bear arms,” provided the regulations did not render the right a mere “illusory promise.”
And this is exactly what the California regulations do.
If it does go up to SCOTUS, they can certainly kiss their regulations goodbye.
For the California lawmakers, I would suggest 'duck and cover':D:
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Better get to work on that secession movement fast!
 

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