A Way Around the 2nd

[VThillman]

 

[bkt]

I recall reading about one politician (don't remember who it was) saying basically "anyone who wants to buy a gun is nuts, so they should be denied by the red-flag law."

If you have to ask permission to exercise a right, it isn't really a right, is it?

 

[Haertig]

I recall reading about one politician (don't remember who it was) saying basically "anyone who wants to buy a gun is nuts, so they should be denied by the red-flag law."

Red flag laws have nothing to do with firearm purchases. Not that I would expect a politician to understand that (even if they are the one who wrote the law).

 

[VThillman]

I recall reading about one politician (don't remember who it was) saying basically "anyone who wants to buy a gun is nuts, so they should be denied by the red-flag law."

If you have to ask permission to exercise a right, it isn't really a right, is it?

The Red Flag laws I know of - Vermont has one - aren't quite that draconian. The cops don't take your guns permanently, they store them until you stop being pissed-off at somebody enough to shoot them, is the theory. The devil is apt to be in the details.

 

[SheepDog]

You don't even know that someone has red flagged you until four cops show up at your door and tell you that they are taking your guns. You haven't been allowed to defend yourself. Yes the guns are removed for 3, 6 months or a year. At some point you can go into court to defend yourself against the accusation but there is no public defender because you aren't charged with a crime and you have never been convicted of a crime. You are the victim of a crime and you have to prove you are not a danger to anyone. That is why it is so wrong. Since there is no crime you can't get a defense attorney unless you pay for one. The judge can extend the confiscation for as long as somebody tells him they feel you are still a danger.
Remember you have never been convicted or even charged with a crime but they still stole your guns.

 

[VThillman]

You don't even know that someone has red flagged you until four cops show up at your door and tell you that they are taking your guns. You haven't been allowed to defend yourself. Yes the guns are removed for 3, 6 months or a year. At some point you can go into court to defend yourself against the accusation but there is no public defender because you aren't charged with a crime and you have never been convicted of a crime. You are the victim of a crime and you have to prove you are not a danger to anyone. That is why it is so wrong. Since there is no crime you can't get a defense attorney unless you pay for one. The judge can extend the confiscation for as long as somebody tells him they feel you are still a danger.
Remember you have never been convicted or even charged with a crime but they still stole your guns.

That reads accurate. The real result of this activity is that a person has removed your primary means of self defense. If that was the intent . . . and that is obviously an important 'if' . . ., well, I will say no more.

 

[Neb]

That reads accurate. The real result of this activity is that a person has removed your primary means of self defense. If that was the intent . . . and that is obviously an important 'if' . . ., well, I will say no more.

And there is a limit of how much one can spend on lawyers vs value of the weapons.

A class action law suite based on the second and fourth amendments...

Ben

 

[SheepDog]

Each act is an individual and different civil infraction. There is no class to act upon.

 

[VThillman]

And there is a limit of how much one can spend on lawyers vs value of the weapons.

A class action law suite based on the second and fourth amendments...

Ben

It involves more than the guns they have taken. Any additional guns you may possess in future will be taken, as long as the order is in effect. That may only happen once though, because you'll be in jail, eh?