.........???.....Adult Protective Custody......Talk about.

[Sourdough]

The Adult Protective Services Program has custody of the vulnerable adult pending the family court hearing to determine if there is probable cause for protective custody. (C) A vulnerable adult who is taken into protective custody by a law enforcement officer, may not be considered to have been arrested.

Any firsthand experience with this.......?????

 

[Amish Heart]

Nope. But a sister of mine was trying to get guardianship over our mom so she could lock her up and take her money. We grabbed mom and moved her just in time. Don't be a vulnerable adult. The Netflix movie, "I Care Alot" was an eye opener.

 

[Caribou]

The only thing I could find was Title 47.
https://codes.findlaw.com/ak/title-...es-and-institutions/ak-st-sect-47-30-705.html

 

[Sourdough]

Nope. But a sister of mine was trying to get guardianship over our mom so she could lock her up and take her money. We grabbed mom and moved her just in time. Don't be a vulnerable adult. The Netflix movie, "I Care Alot" was an eye opener.

Thanks........This is the type of information I am looking for. Anyone with family (or not) experience. Even events in your local news.

What does it mean, they can capture you but "you're not under arrest"....??? What the hell is that...??

 

[INresponse]

18 years as a cop and that was nothing we would do or take part in. For crimes we could arrest but for civil stuff the only thing we could do was related to suicide threats/attempts and even then all we could do was fill out a form and hand it to the mental health person that had to respond. Even then it was up to them to either take the person to the hospital for evaluation or get the person to "sign a contract" promising they would not hurt themselves and would follow up with a doctor in a day or two. Beyond that, if someone was in need of emergency medical care it was up to the paramedics or a doctor to ask us to help get them on the gurney and into the ambulance.

But, I worked in part of the free country (at that time anyways not sure what they do today) and we respected peoples rights when I was still working. Sadly, every city and state has their own potential socialism.

 

[Sourdough]

I Care a Lot - Wikipedia

Worth reading. Yes......I realize it is "only a movie".

 

[Amish Heart]

Yes, it's only a movie, but what the lady does in the movie to seniors does happen. Even if you don't have a family member that goes to court and deems you incompetent, if you're in a senior home and they don't see a relative around, they can do the same, even without your knowledge. And then they run the last of your life and of course, your assets. It's shameful, the family members and medical senior living employees that do this to people.

 

[Sourdough]

I would invite members here to have a "basic" understanding of this.....process. You might be surprised how this "might" happen. I have been aware of this, mostly from the Alaska news events.

A slightly related, "thing", is Welfare Checks. I have for decades told friends and family, never EVER request a welfare check of me. I have basically disowned one of my sisters, because of this.

 

[Amish Heart]

Good idea

 

[Rebecca]

My 2 cents..very much not US related so possibly of little use.

I have a widowed aunt in the UK, she has no children. Since the beginning of COVID and the travel problems she has developed bad dementia. She was put in a care home by the government. She does not remember us apparently. The care home/government are not recognizing her sister (my mother) or myself as her closest living relatives and as such care not one wit what our wishes are in regards to her care or what became of all her belongings. And due to various reasons such as excessive quarantin, minimal flights, a homestead full of animals etc etc I haven't been able to go to the UK and try and sort it out.

Hubby's family got his grandmother declared incompetent due to dementia (in South Africa) and put in a seniors home. They are currently fighting over her stuff. She was fine last time we saw her and no one is letting us talk to her on the phone so no idea if it's true or not. Again short of being able to go back and check on her ...its a problem.

Closer home, I have responded to a medical call, senior lady "fell". My DC and the paramedics who arrived later deemed it suspicious enough that the police were called and she was taken into what you might call "adult protective custody " in that case it meant the hospital for that night. I don't know what became of her after that. It was our opinion her family may have been neglectful at best, abusive at worst. It does happen.

 

[Amish Heart]

Sorry about your aunt and husband's grandma, Rebecca.
I have power of attorney over my mom's health, and one of my sisters is in charge of the $. Bummer, though, mom does have dementia, and I bet won't be living in her apartment alone for much longer. But she'll be down the hall in a large, good room near her 97 year old brother and near her 95 year old sister, and it's a good place. She did her will a few years ago when she was thinking better.

 

[Tsrwivey]

I dealt with APS once with my special needs son when we were getting all of his nursing switched over to adult Medicaid. A caseworker from one agency called them on the caseworker from another agency because she didn’t do her paperwork in a timely manner delaying the start of Michael’s nursing care. He required 24/7 nursing care and I’m a nurse so the APS worker reported the untimely caseworker to the appropriate people and closed the case. They are basically like Child Protective Services but for mentally incompetent or adults otherwise incapable of making decisions and taking care of themselves. They will intervene if the adult doesn’t have their basic needs met of food, meds, sanitary living environment, heat, safe water, personal hygiene, etc. When Michael turned 18, we had to petition the court for guardianship of him. There are different types of guardianship and it’s possible to have one person appointed guardian over there medical and daily care but another or a lawyer appointed guardian over their financial affairs. The lawyer appointed to represent Michael at the guardianship hearing tried to get guardianship over Michael’s finances, but I told the judge that since the lawyer knew so much about Michael and knew best how to spend his money, I suggested perhaps he should be the one to take care of Michael 24/7. We received full permanent legal guardianship.

 

[Sourdough]

I wonder where they take people, other than "some type of hospital.....???

 

[Sourdough]

They will intervene if the adult doesn’t have their basic needs met of food, meds, sanitary living environment, heat, safe water, personal hygiene, etc.

This "is MY" dance. And it is a scary dance. You learn to be more cautious of those concerned about you, then the Grizzly Bears in the yard.

When you hear, "I am just doing my job" (Be careful what you say)
When you hear, "I love you, I am concerned about where you live" (Be careful what you say)
If you're talking to anyone about the six feet of snow and there are still four more months of winter, never say, "I am not sure I'll make'it till spring".

 

[dademoss]

An eye opening thread, one of the volunteer opportunities I am currently considering is acting as a "Guardian" for a less capable senior.


GUARDIANSHIP ASSISTANCE PROGRAM (GAP)

GAP is sponsored by Meals on Wheels Southwest OH & Northern KY. The Guardianship Assistance Program (GAP) enhances the quality of life for elderly, who have been deemed incompetent by Hamilton County Probate Court, by providing Volunteer Guardians to serve as concerned, caring advocates and surrogate decision-makers.

Our focus is serving older adults who, due to mental impairment such as dementia, are no longer cognitively able to make informed decisions about their health and place of residence. The guardian is appointed by Probate Court and is responsible for medical and care decisions, including end of life decisions. The guardian is not responsible for handling finances. Those individuals who qualify for our program reside in facilities (group homes, assisted living or nursing homes) throughout Hamilton County

I haven't called yet, the Christmas Holidays, but will get more info in the next week or so.

 

[Curmudgeon]

The Netflix movie, "I Care Alot" was an eye opener.

That was a crazy movie. How many well to do elders that have no family does this happen to.

 

[Amish Heart]

Enough that instances of this were reported in the Albuquerque Journal News a couple of years ago. I'm sure it's happening all over because of the potential money that can be made.

 

[DrPrepper]

I wonder where they take people, other than "some type of hospital.....???

When I was administrator of a nursing home, we took in people at times who were brought to us by adult protective services. In every case, the person was obviously not able to care for themselves at all. In a couple of cases, it was just for a couple of days until the APS caseworker could find family and help the family make appropriate choices for the person's care. Usually, the family took the person home with them. In a couple of cases, the family chose for the person to stay with us. We also had a couple of people who had no families. One I can remember came to us in really bad condition- dehydrated, bordering on starvation, filthy with sores all over her, and very confused. She stayed with us for about 2 months until her sores were healed and she was nutritionally improved. As she rehydrated and her nutrition improved, her confusion resolved. She then made the voluntary choice to stay with us until she was strong enough to go back into the community. In each case, the person had a court-ordered guardian ad litem, and we worked with that person and the APS caseworker to be sure everything done was in the patient's best interests.

 

[Tsrwivey]

I wonder where they take people, other than "some type of hospital.....???

Nursing home, group home, family/friend, assisted living.
They don’t always take them anywhere. A lot of times people have just slowly declined to the point where they can’t do it all alone but can do much of it. In those cases, the case manager helps the adult access whatever they need, be it Meals on Wheels, medical transportation, an aide to come help with cleaning, bathing, cooking,or putting their medications in a pill dispenser so the adult can safely take his meds. APS may help the adult access resources to install a wheelchair ramp or do other needed repairs/modificationssomeone may need to remain safely in their home.
It is my understanding an adult is considered competent until they are declared by a judge to be incompetent. So even in my son’s case, with an IQin the 20’s and obvious to anyone he can’t fend for himself, we had to havehis doctor describe his level of incompetence and what she used to determine that in a letter to the judge, Michael had a lawyer to represent him and we had a lawyer.
There are different levels of incompetence. One may be completely fine mentally but unable to physically care for himself. APS would likely try to arrange care in the home first but if he needed 24/7 care they would likely go into a-nursing home but retain the right to make financial & medical decisions.
I hope that makes sense. I don’t know much about the APS system as I’m strictly a pediatric nurse but this is what I’ve learned from our experience.

 

[Sourdough]

Nursing home, group home, family/friend, assisted living.
They don’t always take them anywhere. A lot of times people have just slowly declined to the point where they can’t do it all alone but can do much of it. In those cases, the case manager helps the adult access whatever they need, be it Meals on Wheels, medical transportation, an aide to come help with cleaning, bathing, cooking,or putting their medications in a pill dispenser so the adult can safely take his meds. APS may help the adult access resources to install a wheelchair ramp or do other needed repairs/modificationssomeone may need to remain safely in their home.
It is my understanding an adult is considered competent until they are declared by a judge to be incompetent. So even in my son’s case, with an IQin the 20’s and obvious to anyone he can’t fend for himself, we had to havehis doctor describe his level of incompetence and what she used to determine that in a letter to the judge, Michael had a lawyer to represent him and we had a lawyer.
There are different levels of incompetence. One may be completely fine mentally but unable to physically care for himself. APS would likely try to arrange care in the home first but if he needed 24/7 care they would likely go into a-nursing home but retain the right to make financial & medical decisions.
I hope that makes sense. I don’t know much about the APS system as I’m strictly a pediatric nurse but this is what I’ve learned from our experience.

Thanks.........I should have put this in the "prepping" section. Earlier in this thread you mentioned,

"They will intervene if the adult doesn’t have their basic needs met of food, meds, sanitary living environment, heat, safe water, personal hygiene, etc."

This is where I am personally dealing with this, and where many may find themselves in an economic depression or hyperinflation, or slow deterioration of social systems.

 

[Caribou]

I wonder where they take people, other than "some type of hospital.....???

There may be a number of senior homes that I am not aware of. The place that seems a good fit for you might be the Pioneers Home. If you haven't got your name on the list then I would do that sooner rather than later. When YOU decide to go in the longer your name has been on the list the easier it will be to get in. You will have to tell them every year that you wish to remain on the list but that you don't want a room yet.

You are mentally competent and mostly capable of taking care of yourself. It will be very difficult for someone to have you declared incompetent. Your eyes are your big problem. Be prepared to explain how you deal with that issue. If someone shows up maintain your cool. It will be harder to detain someone that speaks in a cool and rational manner.

 

[Sourdough]

The place that seems a good fit for you might be the Pioneers Home. If you haven't got your name on the list then I would do that sooner rather than later. When YOU decide to go in the longer your name has been on the list the easier it will be to get in. You will have to tell them every year that you wish to remain on the list but that you don't want a room yet.

I have been on the "list" for 10 or 15 years.