Anti-Hoarding Laws Will Enable GOV To Take Your Food Storage

Homesteading & Country Living Forum

Help Support Homesteading & Country Living Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.

Sentry18

Thrivalist
Neighbor
Joined
Nov 26, 2017
Messages
19,105
Location
US of A
Anti-Hoarding Laws Will Enable GOV To Take Your Food Storage
by Ken Jorgustin | Updated Mar 22, 2020 | PREPS | 127 comments


government-can-take-your-food
There are laws on the books, right now, that will enable .gov to take and redistribute what you have – as they see fit.
Should those circumstances actually come to pass, government will actually have the legal authority to take what you have.
The mainstream has labeled ‘preppers’ = ‘bad’. Unfortunately their label connotations have ‘stuck’ in the minds of many. Those who are preparedness-minded, independent, liberty-minded, Constitutionalists, gun owners, any of the above… (you get the idea), be aware of your ‘label’ and the anti-hoarding laws which will paint a big target on you…
Note: In the context of this article, “hoarding” is generally what the mainstream refers to preparedness. Things like a deep food pantry, food storage beyond just a few weeks. Extra consumable supplies that you’ve stored, things like that… Common sense preparedness.

So here we go…
How can government actually take away your stored food?
Right now, today, if you’re someone who has ‘prepared’ for disaster, SHTF, or for the seemingly inevitable socioeconomic collapse — you WILL become a target.
Not only those who believe that what’s yours is also theirs, or desperate neighbors or looters, but by your own government. Federal, State, Local, National Guard, even the regular Military… You’re running the risk of having everything taken away from you.

How?
Federal and/or State emergency provisions that are already on the books.
Executive Order – National Defense Resources Preparedness
(Obama) March, 2012.
Pay particular attention to section 801. Definitions.
Sec. 801. Definitions. In addition to the definitions in section 702 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2152, the following definitions apply throughout this order:

(a) “Civil transportation” —
– includes movement of persons and property by all modes of transportation in interstate, intrastate, or foreign commerce within the United States, its territories and possessions, and the District of Columbia, and related public storage and warehousing, ports, services, equipment and facilities, such as transportation carrier shop and repair facilities.

– also shall include direction, control, and coordination of civil transportation capacity regardless of ownership.

– shall not include transportation owned or controlled by the Department of Defense, use of petroleum and gas pipelines, and coal slurry pipelines used only to supply energy production facilities directly.

(b) “Energy” means all forms of energy including petroleum, gas (both natural and manufactured), electricity, solid fuels (including all forms of coal, coke, coal chemicals, coal liquification, and coal gasification), solar, wind, other types of renewable energy, atomic energy, and the production, conservation, use, control, and distribution (including pipelines) of all of these forms of energy.

(c) “Farm equipment” means equipment, machinery, and repair parts manufactured for use on farms in connection with the production or preparation for market use of food resources.

(d) “Fertilizer” means any product or combination of products that contain one or more of the elements nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium for use as a plant nutrient.

(e) “Food resources” means all commodities and products, (simple, mixed, or compound), or complements to such commodities or products, that are capable of being ingested by either human beings or animals, irrespective of other uses to which such commodities or products may be put, at all stages of processing from the raw commodity to the products thereof in vendible form for human or animal consumption. “Food resources” also means potable water packaged in commercially marketable containers, all starches, sugars, vegetable and animal or marine fats and oils, seed, cotton, hemp, and flax fiber, but does not mean any such material after it loses its identity as an agricultural commodity or agricultural product.

(f) “Food resource facilities” means plants, machinery, vehicles (including on farm), and other facilities required for the production, processing, distribution, and storage (including cold storage) of food resources, and for the domestic distribution of farm equipment and fertilizer (excluding transportation thereof).

(g) “Functions” include powers, duties, authority, responsibilities, and discretion.

(h) “Head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense” means the heads of the Departments of State, Justice, the Interior, and Homeland Security, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, the General Services Administration, and all other agencies with authority delegated under section 201 of this order.

(i) “Health resources” means drugs, biological products, medical devices, materials, facilities, health supplies, services and equipment required to diagnose, mitigate or prevent the impairment of, improve, treat, cure, or restore the physical or mental health conditions of the population.

(j) “National defense” means programs for military and energy production or construction, military or critical infrastructure assistance to any foreign nation, homeland security, stockpiling, space, and any directly related activity. Such term includes emergency preparedness activities conducted pursuant to title VI of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. 5195 et seq., and critical infrastructure protection and restoration.

(k) “Offsets” means compensation practices required as a condition of purchase in either government to government or commercial sales of defense articles and/or defense services as defined by the Arms Export Control Act, 22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq., and the International Traffic in Arms Regulations, 22 C.F.R. 120.1 130.17.

(l) “Special priorities assistance” means action by resource departments to assist with expediting deliveries, placing rated orders, locating suppliers, resolving production or delivery conflicts between various rated orders, addressing problems that arise in the fulfillment of a rated order or other action authorized by a delegated agency, and determining the validity of rated orders.

(m) “Strategic and critical materials” means materials (including energy) that (1) would be needed to supply the military, industrial, and essential civilian needs of the United States during a national emergency, and (2) are not found or produced in the United States in sufficient quantities to meet such need and are vulnerable to the termination or reduction of the availability of the material.

(n) “Water resources” means all usable water, from all sources, within the jurisdiction of the United States, that can be managed, controlled, and allocated to meet emergency requirements, except “water resources” does not include usable water that qualifies as “food resources.”


These definitions are written in to the:
1950 War and National Defense Defense Production Act
Go directly to section 2072.
2010 US Code
Title 50 – WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE
TITLE 50 – APPENDIX-WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE
DEFENSE PRODUCTION ACT OF 1950
Sec. 2072 – Hoarding of designated scarce materials
In order to prevent hoarding, no person shall accumulate:
In order to prevent hoarding, no person shall accumulate:

(1) in excess of the reasonable demands of business, personal, or home consumption, or

(2) for the purpose of resale at prices in excess of prevailing market prices, materials which have been designated by the President as scarce materials or materials the supply of which would be threatened by such accumulation.

The President shall order published in the Federal Register, and in such other manner as he may deem appropriate, every designation of materials the accumulation of which is unlawful and any withdrawal of such designation.

In making such designations the President may prescribe such conditions with respect to the accumulation of materials in excess of the reasonable demands of business, personal, or home consumption as he deems necessary to carry out the objectives of this Act [sections 2061 to 2170, 2171, and 2172 of this Appendix]. This section shall not be construed to limit the authority contained in sections 101 and 704 of this Act [sections 2071 and 2154 of this Appendix].

It is clear that the President can decree that having more than (fill in the blank) of food supply (or whatever else) is “in excess of the reasonable demands of business, personal, or home consumption”.


https://modernsurvivalblog.com/preps/anti-hoarding-laws-will-enable-gov-to-take-your-food-storage/
 
Continued:

Under what circumstances could this be decreed?
Under a State Of Emergency – or Martial Law.
[ Read: What Would Happen If Martial Law Is Declared? ]
[ Read: Martial Law – Could it Happen Here? ]


I’ll list the pertinent points of Martial Law here:
In strict dictionary terms, martial law is the suspension of civil authority and the imposition of military authority. The military authority under the command of the President will themselves act as the police, as the courts, as the legislature.
What Would Happen Under Martial Law?
U.S. Constitution would be suspended
Suspension of habeas corpus, civil rights, civil law, freedom of the press, assembly, speech
Curfews enforced on the people
Troops in the streets for enforcement
Checkpoints would be set up for control
Ability to hold a person without charge
Potential arrest of anyone who is a ‘suspect’
Imprisonment without representation or due process
Potential house to house confiscation of firearms, ammunition, food supplies (see above)

While you might think that a declaration of Martial Law would never happen in the United States (it already has – Lincoln – Civil War), the laws are already on the books just waiting for a proclamation by the President.
Can you think of any ‘triggers’ that would set this train in motion? I sure can…
(( UPDATE: How about the COVID-19 Cornavirus? ))
And the sheeple will be ‘all for it’ because most of them only have a few days of food in their pantry and will want what’s yours… They are counting on it. They are counting on .gov to enforce it. The thing is, it will be legally possible for .gov to do so under declared emergency circumstances.
If you’re a preparedness-minded person who may have a deep food pantry and other such supplies, your risk of confiscation exists. Dependent upon where you live (e.g. population-dense regions), your proximity to military installations, the extent and depth of the ‘circumstance’ itself, and whether or not anyone else already knows about your supply (potential to be ratted out).

How can I avoid government taking my food and supplies?
First and foremost, always keep your mouth shut. OPSEC. Operational Security. If anyone already knows that you’re a (gasp!) ‘prepper’, then simply downplay what you have. You might indicate that you only have a little extra (versus saying many months or more of storage!).
For example if it ever comes up in conversation that you have ‘stuff’, then seize that opportunity to downplay it – deflate what they think you have. It’s sad to even have to discuss this – but it is today’s unfortunate reality.
Don’t put all your eggs in one basket. This means that you might consider spreading around your storage. A little here, a little there. Less obvious. It’s sad to think about this, but it is a potential reality under extreme circumstances. So maybe keep some off site somewhere.
‘If’ you’re home is ever searched, then they will find it. Unless you have very cleverly and effectively hidden your ‘stuff’, it will be discovered. You might consider storing a cache of supplies in another location. Use your imagination. Again, it seems weird having to discuss such things (and some might say paranoid), but it will be a serious consideration for some of you who may be closer to a ‘ground zero’…
Don’t let all your hard efforts go to forcible ‘charity’ (as opposed to that of your free will). While forced redistribution is a form of communism, don’t let yourself be fooled into thinking that it won’t happen…
 
Unconsitutional

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things ..."

"The most basic definition of a seizure is when government meaningfully interferes with an individual's possessory property rights or liberty."

“When . . . [the] power [of eminent domain] is exercised it can only be done by giving the party whose property is taken or whose use and enjoyment of such property is interfered with, full and adequate compensation, not excessive or exorbitant, but just compensation.” The Fifth Amendment’s guarantee “that private property shall not be taken for a public use without just compensation was designed to bar Government from forcing some people alone to bear public burdens which, in all fairness and justice, should be borne by the public as a whole.”
 
I have a box of Mac & Cheese and 10 hotdogs.

10 Hot Dogs! No one needs that many hot dogs! 8 hot dogs should be the limit because that's how many buns are in a package.



More scare tactics.
I'm so over this $%it

They're not going to come and take your food! Good Lord Above!

That depends on where you live. I could easily see the communists in California and New Jersey to start tracking purchases and show up with an empty truck. They are the same people who steal their subject's water and confiscate guns.
 
If we had been buying x amount of food or tp every x times for a few years, whose to say that is not your families consumption? Now, if we keep ordering from survivalist food places or buying from the LDS storehouse, that is a little different. It is known to be for food storage. The NSA has been collecting information for almost 2 decades. Some of us may have a star by our names!
 
Unconsitutional

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things ..."

Edited, I personally dont think that the military, police or other government entities will care about anyone's rights at the time of them knocking on your doors and say surprise we are here. I personally feel that once it's over, you wont get reinburst after the threat is over. M2c.
 
I seriously doubt it will ever happen, but if it did I would recommend having a box or bin or something that you are ready to sacrifice to the cause. Here you go. This is all I have. Nobody has to know EVERYTHING you have stored. Lord knows they could search my basement, and not find their way back out. They might find Jimmy Hoffa buried down there.
 
IF (and that's a really big IF) it ever got to this point, I'm sure as outliers, we'd get word of what was coming before it got here since this would not be considered a hot spot for food. The confiscation of food would first start at the warehouses and grocery stores b/c it would be much easier with less risk to go there. They'd have to get really desperate to come knocking on rural doors, since troops know we love our 2A. Is a few cans of chef-boy-r-dee worth getting shot at?

Once we got wind of what was going on, it would only make sense to further scatter our stores. They might get some, but they wouldn't get it all. Folks hid and buried caches back in the day for a good reason. Troops aren't going to go thru every inch of your property and find all that you have. I'd wait before doing that though, b/c it would be really hard to rotate thru your food if it's hidden or buried in that back 40.⚒
 
Wife and I went to the store yesterday,first time since all this started.
Soap!!
we never thought to have plenty on hand.
that and instant potatoes.
other than that we are all set.
not that we are low on the soap,or instant taters,it's just something I found out while walking around.
we do have plenty of T/P...not from hording it,we just buy a lot when it used to go on sale.
 

Latest posts

Back
Top