Burn remedy

[user 7704]

My daughter burned her arm. About 4×4 inches. Probably 2nd degree.
Give me some home remedies.

 

[BillMasen]

Keep it cold and run it under the faucett, , cover wound with cling film when cooling has taken heat from wound, also smear with anti septic cream.

 

[user 7704]

I read that. I also read to use honey.

She's been soaking it in cold water.

 

[jontte]

honey is good,it's naturally antiseptic and there's also spruce resin,but you have to dissolve it first 'till its like liquid honey and its applied on the burn area,
you can find prolly something local stuff containing that in your neck of woods,it's naturally antimicrobial

 

[user 7704]

I'm confused about the cling wrap. Looks like the wound would need air to heal.

 

[TexasFreedom]

Honey is good. It is antimicrobial, antibacterial, antifungal. You can smear it on a gauss pad. Just don't leave it 'exposed' outside for all too long, the bees will hunt her down!

 

[user 7704]

Honey is good. It is antimicrobial, antibacterial, antifungal. You can smear it on a gauss pad. Just don't leave it 'exposed' outside for all too long, the bees will hunt her down!

I had honey on my gloves and took them off outside. Later they were completely covered. It was next to front door. Lesson learned the hard way.

 

[jontte]

well,with some experience in the so-called medical field ; personally I would leave the cling film away, but cover it with gauze pad large enough,that you then secure with some rollable gauze,change the pad next to the burn if there come some gooey through the pad daily,later when needed only, just make sure to keep it clean,´; rinse with water, tap it dry,apply what ever cream you use,cover with the gauze pad, roll more gauze to secure the pad.

by the way, have the burn developed blisters?
have those been broken?
are they oozing?

 

[BillMasen]

From the UK NHS website

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/burns-and-scalds/treatment/
Treatment - Burns and scalds
Contents

1. Overview
2. Treatment
3. Recovery
4. Complications
5. Prevention

Appropriate first aid must be used to treat any burns or scalds as soon as possible. This will limit the amount of damage to your skin.

You can apply the following first aid techniques to yourself or another person who's been burnt.

First aid for burns

• Stop the burning process as soon as possible. This may mean removing the person from the area, dousing flames with water, or smothering flames with a blanket. Do not put yourself at risk of getting burnt as well.
• Remove any clothing or jewellery near the burnt area of skin, including babies' nappies. But do not try to remove anything that's stuck to the burnt skin, as this could cause more damage.
• Cool the burn with cool or lukewarm running water for 20 minutes as soon as possible after the injury. Never use ice, iced water, or any creams or greasy substances like butter.
• Keep yourself or the person warm. Use a blanket or layers of clothing, but avoid putting them on the injured area. Keeping warm will prevent hypothermia, where a person's body temperature drops below 35C (95F). This is a risk if you're cooling a large burnt area, particularly in young children and elderly people.
• Cover the burn with cling film. Put the cling film in a layer over the burn, rather than wrapping it around a limb. A clean clear plastic bag can be used for burns on your hand.
• Treat the pain from a burn with paracetamol or ibuprofen. Always check the manufacturer's instructions when using over-the-counter medication. Children under 16 years of age should not be given aspirin.
• Sit upright as much as possible if the face or eyes are burnt. Avoid lying down for as long as possible, as this will help reduce swelling.

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https://www.realfirstaid.co.uk/clingfilm

from The Real First aid

Cling Film - the next generation...
Cling film has long been extolled as an ideal material for improvised First Aid treatment, especially in the outdoors, for a number of reasons:

• It is waterproof; this makes it ideal for watersports, unlike conventional bandages which quickly become soaked or tapes which loose their adherence.
• It is airtight - this keeps moisture in (ideal for burns or exposed bones / tissue) and infection out.
• It is inherently clean - I would not want to go as far as saying it is completely sterile but the manufacturing process (in combination with the above two points) means that once the first 'wrap' has been removed from the roll, it is as clean as anything you will find in a pre-hospital environment.
  
  
• It is transparent - being able to monitor infection or wound healing without having to repeatedly expose and redress a wound.
• It is malleable - being able to contort to complicated body shapes like knuckles or elbows where other dressings may struggle to completely seal, especially with continual movement.
• It is thin - some injuries may require cooling, other may benefit from warming. Being so thin, the cling film does not prevent a noticeable insulative barrier meaning the injury can be cooled or warmed with the cling film in place.

So it would seem ideal for a multitude of situations but if anyone has attempted to carry a 12" roll in their rucksack or dry bag they will have discovered a number of drawbacks:

• A 12 inch roll is not a convenient size to carry.
• An attempt to cut the roll in half to a more manageable size usually results in the cut end melding together, making it difficult to unroll.
• One small nick will penetrate several layers making if very difficult to unroll (especially with wet, cold or gloved hands!)
• The thin cardboard tube quickly degrades, especially when wet, making handling difficult.
• When it is cold it becomes very fragile with the potential to either unravel in strips or simply tear when being applied.

 

[jontte]

this cling film is new to me,so thx for this .
I'm prolly somewhat used to hospital stuff,same as I have at home thx some co-workes who most of times takes to much stuff out of the med.supplies to the patient and 99 times out of 100,when the patient leaves stuff goes into the bin and there I step in,if the package is unopened,stuff is still good,but will not
be used any more and is waste,heck I take it.

 

[user 7704]

this cling film is new to me,so thx for this .
I'm prolly somewhat used to hospital stuff,same as I have at home thx some co-workes who most of times takes to much stuff out of the med.supplies to the patient and 99 times out of 100,when the patient leaves stuff goes into the bin and there I step in,if the package is unopened,stuff is still good,but will not
be used any more and is waste,heck I take it.

Maybe after the actual burning sensation is gone, but to seems that the cling wrap would hold in the heat from the initial injury. Thought that was why we used the cold water. To kill the burn.

 

[user 7704]

The verdict is in. Honey works to soothe a burn. In some novels i have read, honey has been used as a natural healing ointment. Seems to be true.

 

[Brent S]

I’ve never used honey before but think there is some science to back it up. Cling wrap is completely new to me. We always used gauze to protect the area and keep it clean and dry. Back in my day they somewhat discouraged putting anything on it unless there were signs of infection. Of course every few years what they said before gets changed in the medical field. I think keeping a close eye on it and watch for infection is the best thing you can do now. One thing I like about the cling wrap is it protects and still lets you keep n eye on it. One thing to remember too is you sometimes have to use the best thing available to you at the time, espechially in an emergency.

 

[Brent S]

Oh, most importantly, I hope she heals quickly!

 

[TexasFreedom]

Oh, forgot an important detail. Get an E-collar. Also called the 'cone of shame'. It prevents people from licking the honey off their wounds!

But one serious point. Don't use store-bought honey. 3 out of 4 bottles are 'fake' honey. Get it directly from the hive or a beekeeper that you know.

 

[jontte]

but,as you are both home Robin,I would personally stick to gauze or a silicone netting,which will not stick to the hurt area for covering and wrap it lightly with gauze. this one even contains honey

 

[GaRp58]

Everybody has said nothing but good ideas. The honey quality will decide if it works well, the thinner the honey the better since it will wash off when you want to change it for fresh. Make sure that if she gets blisters, do not pop them, the watery substance protects the very sensitive skin underneath until it gets thick enough and tough enough to do its job of protecting the muscles, nerves and blood vessels deeper in the arm. If they do lose the water inside, keep the skin on as long as possible, it will eventually "die" and either dry up or fall off. Narrow leaf plaintain and broad leaf plaintain will releave pain without any side effects like aspirin or iboprufen and such. No age limit.
Cut up and smash the leaves till the juices come out and put it directly on the wound. You can prepare it ahead of time just before changing the bandages by putting it in the fridge a half an hour before and cooling it down. If you do it in a plastic bad or in the see-through bandages, it goes faster. Good luck and God bless the healing. GP

 

[Proud Prepper]

Oh, forgot an important detail. Get an E-collar. Also called the 'cone of shame'. It prevents people from licking the honey off their wounds!

But one serious point. Don't use store-bought honey. 3 out of 4 bottles are 'fake' honey. Get it directly from the hive or a beekeeper that you know.

If this was true,then half of the ones that say 100% raw unfiltered honey would be fake. Most all the ones I see at my grocery claim this on the product. How can they advertise this if it's not true?

 

[GaRp58]

Because it was made by bees. If the bees get nectar from Honeysuckles, Apple trees, cherry trees or if they only get sugar water to drink, the need energy constantly to be able to fly and work at all. Each sort of flower they drink from gives a different type, taste and strength of honey. Rapeseed honey is so strong that you should not eat more than one teaspoon per day! There are also bees known to get nectar from poisonous plants and they produce a honey which is poisonous for humans but not for the bees. There are many healing properties in honey, there is now a so-called "medi-honey" in the medicinal world. It is sterilised by gamma radiation to make it sterile without damaging the healing substances. Long shelf life of honey is attributed to an enzyme found in the stomach of bees. The bees mix glucose oxidase with expelled nectar they previously consumed, which then creates two byproducts: gluconic acid and hydrogen peroxide, partially responsible for honey's acidity and ability to suppress bacterial growth.
According to the Codex Alimetarius of the United Nations, any product labeled as "honey" or "pure honey" must be a wholly natural product, although labeling laws differ between countries. In the United States, according to the National Honey Board (NHB; supervised by the United States Department of Agriculture), "honey stipulates a pure product that does not allow for the addition of any other substance... this includes, but is not limited to, water or other sweeteners".
There are always for someone to get around the law someway.
if the honey is home-made or expensive, then you have a better quality. GP

 

[BillMasen]

Cool FIRST 20 minutes then WRAP. get the heat OUT than use the cling film to stop infection getting IN. Also I'm told the clingfilm reduces the risk of scaring.

Maybe after the actual burning sensation is gone, but to seems that the cling wrap would hold in the heat from the initial injury. Thought that was why we used the cold water. To kill the burn.

 

[BillMasen]

The verdict is in. Honey works to soothe a burn. In some novels i have read, honey has been used as a natural healing ointment. Seems to be true.

Woah there Ma'am currently there is a global ongoing scandal of pure honey being diluted by all sorts of syrups and sugars and they are NOT sterile.
UK
https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/10412499/tesco-own-brand-honey-diluted-cheap-syrup-sugar/
US
https://www.economist.com/united-states/2018/08/30/the-scourge-of-honey-fraud
Europe
https://www.euractiv.com/section/ag...-how-europe-is-being-flooded-with-fake-honey/
Australia
https://www.smh.com.au/business/con...ustralian-sourced-brands-20181002-p507ar.html

 

[GaRp58]

My daughter burned her arm. About 4×4 inches. Probably 2nd degree.
Give me some home remedies.

How is your girl doing today and did any of the remedies help?

 

[jontte]

that's bad news,mate

we use medical honey at the hospital ER ward to start the treatment of varoius wounds people have, the big problem is,this is my opinion, that many of the junior doc's don't know enough of wound treatment and it puts us,"the boots on the ground" to find out and many times tell the doc's our proposal what to do and how often..I don't mind,I learn,but it's above my pay grade to make decisions of that..

 

[GaRp58]

Steal with your eyes and ears. Anything you see or hear is info and input. Give it a try and watch how the advice from the higher paygrades works out...BTW, did you see the new female member from Finland? MillaMagia.

 

[jontte]

Nope,that I did not, darn,are my people waking up??

every day there is something new and I promised when I got out of school ; "if you ever here me saying, I know all and everything you cannot teach me anything", pls take metal pole and bash it on my head 'cause I'm stupid

 

[TexasFreedom]

If this was true,then half of the ones that say 100% raw unfiltered honey would be fake. Most all the ones I see at my grocery claim this on the product. How can they advertise this if it's not true?

There were 2 large studies in the last 2 years that found 70-80% of store-bought honey legally cannot be called 'honey'. They heat sugar, it turns brown, then flood with water. Makes lovely honey-like substances. Just look at honey on the store shelves & where it comes from. Usually they list a half dozen countries, and the US. They mix a tiny bit of real honey into it, and slap a label on it.

This is no different than 'fake news'. The rule is that if you don't know the beekeeper, then you probably don't have real honey.

 

[GaRp58]

You are not stupid, just on a different step in the ladder of evolution of mankind. There will always be someone knowing more and someone knowing less than you.
We each have our lessons to learn and if we learn, we advance. If we refuse to learn, then we stand still and the world passes us by. Each problem brings with it a gift. Solve the problem and you gain the gift. (wisdom). Just knowing something is like a computer, a bunch of knowledge in a box. Only then when you actively USE something you have learned is when knowledge becomes "wisdom". Knowledge in action. Do not be knowledgeable, Be wise. GP

 

[BillMasen]

Did you know in South Africa they use SUGAR to treat wounds.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20180328-how-sugar-could-help-heal-wounds

Doctors are finding one way that sugar can benefit your health: it may help heal wounds when antibiotics fail.

By Clara Wiggins
30th March 2018


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As a child growing up in poverty in the rural Eastern Highlands of Zimbabwe, Moses Murandu was used to having salt literally rubbed in his wounds when he fell and cut himself. On lucky days, though, his father had enough money to buy something which stung the boy much less than salt: sugar.

Murandu always noticed that sugar seemed to help heal wounds more quickly than no treatment at all. So he was surprised when, having been recruited to come to work as a nurse for the UK’s National Health System (NHS) in 1997, he found that sugar wasn’t being used in any official capacity. He decided to try to change that.

Now, Murandu’s idea finally is being taken seriously. A senior lecturer in adult nursing at the University of Wolverhampton, Murandu completed an initial pilot study focussed on sugar’s applications in wound healing and won an award from the Journal of Wound Care in March 2018 for his work.

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In some parts of the world, this procedure could be key because people cannot afford antibiotics. But there is interest in the UK, too, since once a wound is infected, it sometimes won’t respond to antibiotics.

To treat a wound with sugar, all you do, Murandu says, is pour the sugar on the wound and apply a bandage on top. The granules soak up any moisture that allows bacteria to thrive. Without the bacteria, the wound heals more quickly.



Evidence for all of this was found in Murandu’s trials in the lab. And a growing collection of case studies from around the world has supported Murandu’s findings, including examples of successful sugar treatments on wounds containing bacteria resistant to antibiotics. Even so, Murandu faces an uphill battle. Funding for further research would help him reach his ultimate goal – to convince the NHS to use sugar as an alternative to antibiotics. But a great deal of medical research is funded by pharmaceutical companies. And these companies, he points out, have little to gain from paying for research into something they can’t patent.

The sugar is the plain, granulated type you might use to sweeten your tea
The sugar Murandu uses is the plain, granulated type you might use to sweeten your tea. In the same in vitro trials, he found that there was no difference between using cane or beet sugar. Demerara, however, wasn’t as effective.

The pilot showed that strains of bacteria grew in low concentrations of sugar but were completely inhibited in higher concentrations. Murandu started recording case studies in Zimbabwe, Botswana, and Lesotho (where he first trained in nursing). Included among them is a woman living in Harare.

“The woman’s foot had been measured, ready to be amputated, when my nephew called me,” Murandu says. “She had had a terrible wound for five years, and the doctor wanted to amputate. I told her to wash the wound, apply sugar, leave it and repeat.

“The woman still has her leg.”

This, he says, is one example of why there is so much interest in his methods, particularly from parts of the world where people can’t afford antibiotics.



In total, Murandu has now carried out clinical studies on 41 patients in the UK. He hasn’t yet published the trial results but has presented them at national and international conferences. One question he had to answer during his research was whether sugar could be used on diabetic patients, who commonly have leg and foot ulcers. Diabetics need to control the level of glucose in their blood so this isn’t an obvious healing method to use on them.

But he found that it worked for diabetics without sending their glucose levels soaring. “Sugar is sucrose – you need the enzyme sucrase to convert that into glucose,” he says. As sucrase is found within the body, it is only when the sugar is absorbed that it is converted. Applying it to the outside of the wound isn’t going to affect it in the same way.

While Murandu continues his research on human patients, across the Atlantic US veterinarian Maureen McMichael has been using this healing method on animals for years.

McMichael, who works at the University of Illinois Veterinary Teaching Hospital, first started using both sugar and honey on pets back in 2002. She said it was a combination of the simplicity of the method and the low cost that attracted her – especially for pet owners who couldn’t afford the usual methods of bringing the animal to the hospital and using sedation.

McMichael says that they keep both sugar and honey in their surgery and often used it on dogs and cats (and occasionally on farm animals). Honey has similar healing properties to sugar (one study found it to be even more effective at inhibiting bacterial growth), though it is more expensive.

The sugar treatment may work on wounds afflicting not only people, but pets (Credit: Getty Images)

“We have had some really great successes with this,” McMichael says. She gave an example of a stray dog that had come to them after being used as “pitbull bait”, hung from a harness and attacked by pitbulls being trained for fighting. The dog came in with up to 40 bite wounds on each limb – and was healed within eight weeks.

“She was a stray so there was no money for her. We treated her with both honey and sugar and she did fabulously,” McMichael says. “She’s all healed now.”

As well as being cheaper, sugar has another upside: as more and more antibiotics are used, we are becoming resistant to them.

As well as being cheaper, sugar has another upside: as more and more antibiotics are used, we are becoming resistant to them
Back in the UK, tissue engineering specialist Sheila MacNeil of the University of Sheffeld has researched how naturally occurring sugars can be used to stimulate the re-growth of blood vessels. Her research stemmed from from her work on tumours, when she noticed that one particular small sugar derived from the breakdown of DNA (2-deoxy-D-ribose) kept cropping up. MacNeil’s team experimented by applying this sugar to the membrane surrounding chick embryos. According to MacNeil, the sugar stimulated double the number of blood vessels than would grow without it.

But of course these types of naturally occurring sugars found in our bodies are a long way from the type of everyday sugar used by Murandu in his experiments. The “dream ticket”, MacNeil says, would be to find a sugar that could be used in both ways. She believes this is the next step research should take.

Meanwhile in Wolverhampton, Murandu’s plan is to set up a private clinic using his sugar method. He hopes that one day sugar will be commonly used, not only by the NHS but also at public hospitals in some of the other countries where he has been working. He continues to get regular emails from around the world, asking for his advice – and guides patients remotely over email and texting. His far-away clients send him photos of their results along with their gratitude when they are healed.

It is an ancient method and one used unofficially by many poor people in developing countries, but for Murandu it was only by coming to the UK that he realised the significance sugar could have in the medical world. He sees it as a blending of his local knowledge with the modern research facilities in Britain.

“Like sugar, the knowledge came raw from Zimbabwe, was refined here – and is now going back to help people in Africa,” he says.

This story is a part of BBC Britain – a series focused on exploring this extraordinary island, one story at a time. Readers outside of the UK can see every BBC Britain story by heading to the Britain homepage; you also can see our latest stories by following us on Facebook and Twitter.

 

[jontte]

cool,I must try this sugar treatment sometime at work.
hey I'm still the new guy and don't always follow the rules,if it's good for the patient.

 

[BillMasen]

Our NHS has finally realised that some of the old remedies still work best so they are once again using leaches to draw blood and sterile maggots to eat necrosed tissue.