5 minute, John Stossel
Electric Vehicles
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Wow, 500,000 pounds of mined material to make 1 battery, that's crazy.
And 100,000 miles to make up just the CO2. A battery lasts just five years, ten if you're lucky then it is another 500,000# of ore with all the attendant energy consumption and equipment wear.
I doubt those things will sell well in Alaska.
I don't think the batteries last three years!!
I wouldn't want to argue with you on that one.
When the batteries go bad, you have to pay half the price of the car to buy a new battery. You have to pay someone to replace it because if it burns your house down you need the warranty and insurance to be valid. You have to pay someone to take the old battery, if you can find anyone.
Being a confirmed "professional" battery-killer, I can say that the only lithium-ion battery we put in our brutal equipment only survived for 3 months
.No repair possible, only replacement
.The factory was screaming that they wanted it back (for autopsy) and it was under full warranty.
The customer didn't want another one of those.
It was a bit of a struggle to get an 'old-tech' one to replace it with but we did.
Had to redo the charger voltage settings, and the unit's discharge settings.
I know the technology has advanced greatly in the last few years, so save me the lecture.
...."C'mon baby light my fire!!!"
(sorry it's 12 minutes long
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EVs work as well as the China flu is stopped by a mask.
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Hybrid and ev vehicles are a joke! I work in them because I have too and… let’s just say they are not reliable, cost effective, and they just don’t sound cool!
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Here is a doozie. And it gets better as you go! lol!!! I will pull a few quotes out, then post the link at the bottom to fill in the gaps.
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Officials in Asheville, North Carolina, recently expressed frustration that three of the five e-buses the city purchased for millions in 2018 are now sitting idle due to a combination of software issues, mechanical problems and an inability to obtain replacement parts.
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Part of the problem is the manufacturer of the buses, Proterra, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in August. The company, founded in 2004, rose to become the largest e-bus company in the U.S., representing nearly 40% of the market prior to going belly-up.
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Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm sat on Proterra's board until she joined the Biden administration, and President Biden touted the company while taking a virtual tour of the manufacturer in the spring of 2021. Granholm made $1.6 million selling her stock in the company shortly after that, following criticisms that her holdings in the firm were a conflict of interest.
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[More at link]
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/electric-buses-sitting-unused-cities-across-the-us
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Electric buses are sitting unused in cities across the US; here's why
However, cities from coast-to-coast are grappling with broken-down e-buses that cannot be fixed, are too expensive to fix, or they have scrapped their electric fleets altogether.Officials in Asheville, North Carolina, recently expressed frustration that three of the five e-buses the city purchased for millions in 2018 are now sitting idle due to a combination of software issues, mechanical problems and an inability to obtain replacement parts.
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Part of the problem is the manufacturer of the buses, Proterra, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in August. The company, founded in 2004, rose to become the largest e-bus company in the U.S., representing nearly 40% of the market prior to going belly-up.
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Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm sat on Proterra's board until she joined the Biden administration, and President Biden touted the company while taking a virtual tour of the manufacturer in the spring of 2021. Granholm made $1.6 million selling her stock in the company shortly after that, following criticisms that her holdings in the firm were a conflict of interest.
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[More at link]
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/electric-buses-sitting-unused-cities-across-the-us
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Toyota hybrids regularly go 100k without any battery issues. And replacement is DIY for a few thousand. There's plenty of YT videos documenting the process.
Being a confirmed "professional" battery-killer, I can say that the only lithium-ion battery we put in our brutal equipment only survived for 3 months
No repair possible, only replacement
The factory was screaming that they wanted it back (for autopsy) and it was under full warranty.
The customer didn't want another one of those.
It was a bit of a struggle to get an 'old-tech' one to replace it with but we did.
Had to redo the charger voltage settings, and the unit's discharge settings.
I know the technology has advanced greatly in the last few years, so save me the lecture.
...."C'mon baby light my fire!!!"
(sorry it's 12 minutes long
Lio-Ion should only be used in handheld devices. Lithium Iron Phosphate (LFP, LiFePO4) is such a better chemistry there's really no excuse not to use it, unless your marketing dept wants to cash in on the few stats where Li-Ion is better, while ignoring the deficiencies. For PIV type equipment, NiMH could still be the best option. More cost-effective for high-current applications that would otherwise degrade Li.
My Rav4 hybrid has been flawless after 7 years and over 80k miles. It matched or beat our Mazda3 in city and long term mpg. The Mazda only won on highway driving. The Rav4 is a larger, more capable vehicle too.
EV vehicles are an emerging mass-market technology. Some manufacturers are going to make poor decisions for marketing. Others will make the right decision but don't make any headlines. ICE cars still have issues too. My parents each have a Kia. They got some stupid high warranty on the engine because of a class action lawsuit bc something was so bad with them. And then the whole debacle were they don't have engine imobilizers, so middle schoolers are capable of stealing them after watching a Tiktok how-to.
Then there's the use-case. Civics and diesel trucks serve different purposes. Buy what's right for you. Most people in a Tahoe, Suburban sized rig would do just as well in a minivan (maybe even a hybrid Sienna), but they pay for their bad decisions with a higher cost of ownership. That kind of thing never makes the news though.
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Today EVs are a mess, but this is what they said about the first horseless carriage.
The horseless carriage did not do well, until the Interstate system in the 1950s.
They said the computer, bag phone were a fad too.
Today the watch, stop watch, Alarm clock, world clock, camera & film development & storage, calendar, Compass, maps/GPS, weather, mail, books & movies, all fit on a phone you can carry in your pocket.
A phone that will spell, type & talk to you. Mr. Bell had no deal!
One day all petrol will be replaced, if we do not kill everyone, before innervation has time to make it happen. Check your history, at one time the biggest problem in New York city was piles of horse manure.
That why Brown stones have steps go up, instead of level with the street, now home gardener are buying manure for their garden.
The horseless carriage did not do well, until the Interstate system in the 1950s.
They said the computer, bag phone were a fad too.
Today the watch, stop watch, Alarm clock, world clock, camera & film development & storage, calendar, Compass, maps/GPS, weather, mail, books & movies, all fit on a phone you can carry in your pocket.
A phone that will spell, type & talk to you. Mr. Bell had no deal!
One day all petrol will be replaced, if we do not kill everyone, before innervation has time to make it happen. Check your history, at one time the biggest problem in New York city was piles of horse manure.
That why Brown stones have steps go up, instead of level with the street, now home gardener are buying manure for their garden.
It's amazing that Norway has taken so much to EV's, from what I've heard of the troubles of cold weather charging, I would think it would be a problem there. We're at the age that we can't see ourselves ever getting into an EV, for one thing they're just too dang expensive, as it is we've stopped buying new vehicles and have gone to buying older Toyota's, 2005 Sienna, 2008 Tundra and a 1988 Suzuki Samurai, all with well over 100,000 miles, with years of good life left in them.
Yes... The technology of electric vehicles will improve.. As the technology of many things have improved and changed.. What, when, where, what will be the cost of the ...breakeven... point will be, let alone the ...this is an advantage technology... Many, maybe most of us won't live long enough to see that.. Anyway, at this stage the technology is too much of a narrow cost effective to usefulness thing for too few..
As in today, EV being too expensive a technology for the small size of the radius it is useful in for most peoples lifestyle.. And having to maintain another vehicle for the outer distances of peoples radius of life...
There are still too many places in the country you could encounter this situation even in your inner radius of life...
My 5 cents of opinion...
As in today, EV being too expensive a technology for the small size of the radius it is useful in for most peoples lifestyle.. And having to maintain another vehicle for the outer distances of peoples radius of life...
There are still too many places in the country you could encounter this situation even in your inner radius of life...
My 5 cents of opinion...
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On the flipside, EV's are far superior (even with the higher pricetag) than gas vehicles in some applications.
Examples:
Every taxi cab in NYC (et.al) should be an EV instead of gas because half of fuel they burn every day is consumed sitting stationary in traffic or at red light. Long range is never needed and most are not used at night and can charge.
Every pizza/food delivery vehicle would be better off if electric. Driving around in the limited delivery area, in stop and go traffic all day, long range is never needed and most are not used at night and can charge.
There are millions of the above that are burning the gas the rest of us badly need...
Why not concentrate on changing them to EV's instead of forcing them on the 'average-Joe' consumers?
Examples:
Every taxi cab in NYC (et.al) should be an EV instead of gas because half of fuel they burn every day is consumed sitting stationary in traffic or at red light. Long range is never needed and most are not used at night and can charge.
Every pizza/food delivery vehicle would be better off if electric. Driving around in the limited delivery area, in stop and go traffic all day, long range is never needed and most are not used at night and can charge.
There are millions of the above that are burning the gas the rest of us badly need
...Why not concentrate on changing them to EV's instead of forcing them on the 'average-Joe' consumers?
We had electric cars before we had gasoline cars. The distance on the batteries was better than today and we still went with gasoline.
How many pizza delivery guys can afford an EV? That would be the end of delivery service!On the flipside, EV's are far superior (even with the higher pricetag) than gas vehicles in some applications.
Examples:
Every taxi cab in NYC (et.al) should be an EV instead of gas because half of fuel they burn every day is consumed sitting stationary in traffic or at red light. Long range is never needed and most are not used at night and can charge.
Every pizza/food delivery vehicle would be better off if electric. Driving around in the limited delivery area, in stop and go traffic all day, long range is never needed and most are not used at night and can charge.
There are millions of the above that are burning the gas the rest of us badly need
Why not concentrate on changing them to EV's instead of forcing them on the 'average-Joe' consumers?
Electric has a place, but it needs to be done right, hybrids make far more sense. There is a small Canadian company doing log trucks, yes there it makes sense, you drive down the mountain loaded, re gen braking, it makes a bit of sense there. as a libtard tool , it showcases libtard tunnel vision.
I was talking about the fleets of company-owned vehicles.
Notice the gas tank door on this one:
I had an interesting conversation with a good friend who is much closer to the EV scene than I am. His BIL has two of them, and his take is that there are two kinds of buyers for EV's. One type is the super tech junkie that is mesmerized by all the whistles and bells on the car. They love all the technology, and they can afford it. The second type is the tree hugger who foolishly thinks they are saving the planet by buying an EV.
I'm not sure how true this is, but one theory is that EV's were (or are) not designed to be a single car nor a primary car. They do not have the range to be able to travel, and the infrastructure is woefully inadequate. You have to go miles out of your way to find a charging station, and the charge will take hours. If you are driving it primarily for your daily commute, going home every night, and hooking it back to the charger it would be adequate. On a side note, he said the 7000 mile tire was not true. Will you get 80-90 thousand miles per set? No. But you will get 40-50,000 miles per set of tires. My 2 cents.
I'm not sure how true this is, but one theory is that EV's were (or are) not designed to be a single car nor a primary car. They do not have the range to be able to travel, and the infrastructure is woefully inadequate. You have to go miles out of your way to find a charging station, and the charge will take hours. If you are driving it primarily for your daily commute, going home every night, and hooking it back to the charger it would be adequate. On a side note, he said the 7000 mile tire was not true. Will you get 80-90 thousand miles per set? No. But you will get 40-50,000 miles per set of tires. My 2 cents.
If all those cars went to electric the power grid would crash.On the flipside, EV's are far superior (even with the higher pricetag) than gas vehicles in some applications.
Examples:
Every taxi cab in NYC (et.al) should be an EV instead of gas because half of fuel they burn every day is consumed sitting stationary in traffic or at red light. Long range is never needed and most are not used at night and can charge.
Every pizza/food delivery vehicle would be better off if electric. Driving around in the limited delivery area, in stop and go traffic all day, long range is never needed and most are not used at night and can charge.
There are millions of the above that are burning the gas the rest of us badly need
Why not concentrate on changing them to EV's instead of forcing them on the 'average-Joe' consumers?
The electricity has to be generated and delivered.
Who is going to pay for all the electric cars?
The consumers of course so a pizza would cost $50.
EVs are a pipe dream sold by politicians and the media.
We had a hybrid Toyota and I sold it.
23 MPG in the winter just made it not practical.
Battery technology is not ready for prime time yet.
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So a better smart car, for around town & very short trips.
To get there someone has to make & sale what they have & a nice Ice Age may stop it all in their tracks.
Or a better power source may replace everything we use now, a better mouse trap.
the trains are all diesel electric, it would be interesting to know if any are running batteries, another good use for regen braking, oh no wait this is about stupid not efficiency
