faith in humanity

[Tonto_]

My biggest weapon against the apocalypse is my faith in humanity. Do you know how easy it would be for anyone, even the biggest weakling ever, to kill you? Would be simple, even if you're athletic and carry a gun around. They could walk up behind you and shoot you. Why don't they? Because we're all in this together.

If there were a SHTF scenario, I wouldn't lock myself away and keep others out. This would go against what makes us the superior species to begin with.

 

[Dani]

You also can not read anyone's minds and some people can be very unpredictable.

 

[Tonto_]

You also can not read anyone's minds and some people can be very unpredictable.

very true. I just have to have faith that people are ultimately good and helpful.

 

[Dani]

I think the majority of people are good and some even helpful, when life is normal, but in a SHTF situation, that will fly out the window. If you keep a mentality of letting everyone in because you keep the faith in humanity, it will come back and bite you in the butt. Maybe you aren't old enough to have been around the block a time or two? There's a reason I tell people I like living in my little 'bubble world'.

 

[Maverick]

I have no faith in humanity, have more trust in animals!

 

[jontte]

gimmie a dog,I'll have trust in it,in humans not so much.

 

[Roninsensei]

Tanto, clearly you suffer from “I’ve lived in the USA were everything is available” syndrome.. Well a lot of that niceness goes away fast once resources start becoming low.. Ive seen it first hand. You’ll lock your door too or die. Either way.

 

[Maverick]

Yep, in the 80s South America and Africa trust was death, people are too comfortable and complacent in this country.

 

[Tonto_]

Tanto, clearly you suffer from “I’ve lived in the USA were everything is available” syndrome.. Well a lot of that niceness goes away fast once resources start becoming low.. Ive seen it first hand. You’ll lock your door too or die. Either way.

We've made it this far, I will put my faith in people. Once we lose that, we have nothing.

 

[Maverick]

We've made it this far, I will put my faith in people. Once we lose that, we have nothing.

In this country under comforts of abundance of food and water and social services including a land govern by laws. Go outside the comfort zone and see what awaits.

 

[Roninsensei]

I have faith that people will do what ever it takes to survive first then when it’s convenient they will assist someone to benefit their resources or survival. This is the lesson history teaches over and over again. I wonder if the Jewish people during ww2 thought as you did.. PS I’m a Jewish German so let’s not get triggered for me and MY people.

 

[Silent Earth]

This forum is ****ed.

 

[Roninsensei]

Lol silent. There’s a plan I promise

 

[Silent Earth]

Lol silent. There’s a plan I promise

Hai Ronin san.

 

[Squirtgunsquirter]

My biggest weapon against the apocalypse is my faith in humanity. Do you know how easy it would be for anyone, even the biggest weakling ever, to kill you? Would be simple, even if you're athletic and carry a gun around. They could walk up behind you and shoot you. Why don't they? Because we're all in this together.

If there were a SHTF scenario, I wouldn't lock myself away and keep others out. This would go against what makes us the superior species to begin with.

So, I'm curious...

To bring this, if at all possible, back to prepping...

Imagine that you have a neighbor, no college degree (you have admitted previously that to you, this makes him inferior, less important to society) just say, a Union Electrician. Now, during the good times, he builds a water tower in his yard, and installs solar to run the pump.

Now it's SHTF, and you have no water. It hasn't rained in months. The stores have been looted of water. The taps don't work. You and your children are dying of thirst. Meanwhile, your neighbor is watering his lawn, and sometimes even just spraying his hose in the air to make a rainbow. You have tried to barter with him for water, you have begged, but he has just said no. To be completely clear, you are not getting water from him, period.

What now? Were does your "faith in humanity" stand in a situation like this? Is he a bad person, because he is refusing to share his bounty?

I would imagine you feel that you have a right to his water. He should be sharing. Since you are a pacifist, and depend on the good will of others in dark times, what do you do? Demand that someone make him give you water? That would be the socialist solution, for the government to step in, and share his wealth equally with all. But then again, you have a high degree, you are extremely healthy and fit and well educated. Shouldn't you get more water for you and your children, than say, a warehouse worker with a GED? After all, you are better for society in the long run, at least that seems to be your view from your posts. So shouldn't others suffer just a bit, so that you can be given more and ensure the survival of a better class of humans in the future?

So since I am sure you don't think that your neighbor, having had the foresight and worked hard enough to afford to have his water tower when the need arose, should get to keep and enjoy the fruits of his labor, who gets his water? Do those with college degree's go to the head of the line to rob this man? Do Teachers get 2 gallons, while garbage collectors get just one? When you (and the best class of society) have taken all his water, and his well is dry, what then? And what about the "max 50 people" you have chosen to house in this crisis, who are now depending on you and are guests in your home?

I suspect that despite your talk of morality and faith in humanity, you would be the first to sneak in at night, and smack your neighbor with a candlestick, before you let your lack of preparation sentence you and yours to death. After all, you are a superior human being, it's only fair. Right?

Simple question. Do you watch the light go out in your children's eyes because your neighbor doesn't agree with your faith in humanity? Or do you get that water, no matter what?

 

[Maverick]

So, I'm curious...

To bring this, if at all possible, back to prepping...

Imagine that you have a neighbor, no college degree (you have admitted previously that to you, this makes him inferior, less important to society) just say, a Union Electrician. Now, during the good times, he builds a water tower in his yard, and installs solar to run the pump.

Now it's SHTF, and you have no water. It hasn't rained in months. The stores have been looted of water. The taps don't work. You and your children are dying of thirst. Meanwhile, your neighbor is watering his lawn, and sometimes even just spraying his hose in the air to make a rainbow. You have tried to barter with him for water, you have begged, but he has just said no. To be completely clear, you are not getting water from him, period.

What now? Were does your "faith in humanity" stand in a situation like this? Is he a bad person, because he is refusing to share his bounty?

I would imagine you feel that you have a right to his water. He should be sharing. Since you are a pacifist, and depend on the good will of others in dark times, what do you do? Demand that someone make him give you water? That would be the socialist solution, for the government to step in, and share his wealth equally with all. But then again, you have a high degree, you are extremely healthy and fit and well educated. Shouldn't you get more water for you and your children, than say, a warehouse worker with a GED? After all, you are better for society in the long run, at least that seems to be your view from your posts. So shouldn't others suffer just a bit, so that you can be given more and ensure the survival of a better class of humans in the future?

So since I am sure you don't think that your neighbor, having had the foresight and worked hard enough to afford to have his water tower when the need arose, should get to keep and enjoy the fruits of his labor, who gets his water? Do those with college degree's go to the head of the line to rob this man? Do Teachers get 2 gallons, while garbage collectors get just one? When you (and the best class of society) have taken all his water, and his well is dry, what then? And what about the "max 50 people" you have chosen to house in this crisis, who are now depending on you and are guests in your home?

I suspect that despite your talk of morality and faith in humanity, you would be the first to sneak in at night, and smack your neighbor with a candlestick, before you let your lack of preparation sentence you and yours to death. After all, you are a superior human being, it's only fair. Right?

Simple question. Do you watch the light go out in your children's eyes because your neighbor doesn't agree with your faith in humanity? Or do you get that water, no matter what?

Good post!

There isn't anyone more dangerous than a father trying feed his starving kids. Perhaps Tonto hasn't heard of primal instincts? humans react like animals when faced with dire straits, many examples to illustrate this. try going without water Tonto in a desert of sand and have a child not wanting to give you a drink, tell me how you would react and please don't tell me you won't kill that child for the water, you are in primal mode you will kill, in primal mode there are no humanity no human conscience, you will act out what you're hardwired to do and that is survive at all cost, to say otherwise is a bold face lie if you never been faced with it.

 

[lonewolf]

I lost trust in the human animal a long time ago, personal experience has proved to me what a lost cause it is, now I trust no one.

 

[Maverick]

Most people are all a little to comfortable, when things go bad people tend to go bad, it's just the way it is. I don't doubt we have good people we do though if I don't know ya I'm sure as hell not going to bank my life on you.

 

[user 7704]

To bring this down to elementary level. There is an episode of the Twilight Zone about a doctor that built a bomb shelter and all his neighbors made fun of him. Then, they think they are going to attacked and the neighbors try to break into his shelter and it all goes to hell.

Then they find out ideas a false alarm and all relationships are ruined because of their mob mentality.

The point being, I will not rely on the kindness of strangers. I hopefully, will be as prepared as possible to provide for my family.

 

[user 6493]

I have seen the best of man and the worst,and trust me if the world goes to hell you will not be able to trust anyone,,,,,,,your friends your neighbors,no one,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[user 7704]

Venezuela is a good example now. The average person has lost 25 lbs because they lack food.

What measures do you think those parents are willing to take to feed their children. I read that they are eating rats, dogs and cats. I'm positive that stealing has become an everyday occurrence. The survival instinct has erased all former values.

Saw where they were trying to airlift the zoo animals because they were starving, but knowing that in reality they are expecting the people to end up killing them for food.

They Left would have more outrage over the poor dead animals rather than the starving population.

 

[bill harrell]

Katrina sure showed how the masses came together to live in harmony......in three days they turned to animals. Not because of starvation but opportunity.

 

[Silent Earth]

Katrina sure showed how the masses came together to live in harmony......in three days they turned to animals. Not because of starvation but opportunity.

And Andrew showed us how quick freedoms rights and liberties are scrapped during a crisis, remember Blackwater being sent to help which they tried to do by disarming the locals trying to protect their homes and property.

 

[lonewolf]

look at the so called "London riots", people escaped from burning apartments with just the clothes on their backs and the arsonists didn't care who were in the properties they torched, and the Police were useless and only finally gained control after they were reinforced by cops brought in from the provinces.
don't talk to me about how good humans are.