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jayjay1

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You may have seen on the news ver in the US about our wildfires all over the East Coast of Australia. Even down my way ( lower Eyre Peninsular of South Australia ) we had a major fire, and if not for a wind change, our town was directly in the path of the out of control fire.
Anyway, I'm away from home for a few weeks, and when I heard about the fires, rang home, and spoke to my 16yr old son, who assists me prepping. Conversation went somewhat like this ( the power was out too );

Me: Ok boy, what have you done?
Son: Bath full of water, got the candles out, torches, spare batteries, drinking water bottles good to go, gas cooker & cartridges.
Me: Face masks?
Son: Done.
Me: Water jerry cans in the shed-fill them up.
Son: Ok
Me: Anything else?
Son: Yeah, you gotta show me how to run the generator.

The power came on about 2 hrs later.

On Wednesday, we are expecting 43c (110f), and wild winds. I'm about 8 hrs away, but I am confident he has everything under control.
 
Just like Clyde and others in burning Kommunist Kalifornia, hope ya'll do well down under. Get everything within a rocks throw cleared, wet, burned down or buried in dirt and stop the flames before they can make it to your house! GP
 
High winds are a bitch in a wildfire. They can make the fire jump much farther than you would expect. With some of these fires, the only thing you can do is escape. When high winds caused the fire to sweep through Paradise, CA, there was nothing anyone could do but Get The Hell Out Of Dodge.
 
I dont understood why in so many parts of the world in high fire risk areas they built some houses out of timber or timber cladding and shingle roofs??
Agreed, there are many things you can do to help resist fire. No landscaping next to the structure, metal roof, cement siding etc. these and other things help but when there’s 65mph winds fanning flames I’d rather err on the side of caution and get the hell out!
 
feel sad for the animals down there,just hope and pray for rain.
Just saw on the news the koalas habitat has been hit really bad. I wasn’t aware they were allready endangered, but this moved them way up that list. It was really tough watching one little guy trying to lift his burned feet off the ground. I’m glad there’s a lot of people down there trying to help them and other animals out.
 
I dont understood why in so many parts of the world in high fire risk areas they built some houses out of timber or timber cladding and shingle roofs??

Cost, accessibility and weather would be the primary reasons. At the time I built my place you couldn't get a concrete truck up here. With a wooden frame house the weather wouldn't be much of a factor in construction unlike concrete, me and my brother built this place in good weather and bad weather including winter.
 
I dont understood why in so many parts of the world in high fire risk areas they built some houses out of timber or timber cladding and shingle roofs??
That is the material available, at the price affordable and buildable in the time according to the amount of help provided. Sometimes you just do what you can with that which you get where you have. Mud hut in Africa, ice igloo in Alaska, concrete blocks in Germany and log cabins in Sweden. My house in Hungary is made on a wooden frame, filled with rock and covered with cob. Very warm in winter and cool in summer. Only cost $ 6000,00 instead of 10 times the amount in brick or concrete and much more of a friendly material. It breathes and keeps the humidity at a constant. Love it. GP
 
Thanks everyone - we are ok, the fires are on the East Coast - I guess in comparison we are in Tx, and the fires are in DC.
We are in for some extreme heat ( 41c, then 32c, then 44c) but other places will be hotter. the ground is very dry, and with high winds, and forecast thunderstorms, we are in for a hairy few days.
The big thing here is to blame climate change, and almost ignore the 100+ who have been charged lighting the fires.
A lot of the losses are avoidable - councils allow houses to be built in dense scrub, but will not allow home owners to clear around their homes. One bloke did, and was up for over $200,00 in fines-guess what, his home was the only one not burnt down in his area. We have stupid local laws. But it's easier to blame climate change than man's stupidity!
 
over $200,00 in fines-guess what, his home was the only one not burnt down in his area.

That must have been the cheapest fire insurance in the entire nation! Live and learn by ON-THE-JOB-TRAINING. (Besides the slap in the face for the dumbshit who wrote the law) Clean forests do not burn. All the deadwood on the ground feed the fire to get high enough to burn the treetops. If there is none, the fire will only stay small and creep along the ground without damaging the entire continent. The so-called "specialists" should be re-trained...or sent out to fight the fires themselves and learn what really happens out there and not just read the books. Live free, GP
 
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_use_of_fire_in_ecosystems

Prior to European colonization of the Americas, indigenous peoples used controlled burns to modify the landscape. These controlled fires were part of the environmental cycles and maintenance of wildlife habitats that sustained the people's cultures and economies. What was initially perceived by colonists as "untouched, pristine" wilderness in North America, was actually the cumulative result of these occasional, managed fires creating an intentional mosaic of grasslands and forests across North America, sustained and managed by the original Peoples of the landbase.
Radical disruption of Indigenous burning practices occurred with European colonization and forced relocation of those who had historically maintained the landscape. Some colonists understood the traditional use and potential benefits of low intensity, broadcast burns ("Indian-type" fires), while others feared and suppressed them. In the 1880s, impacts of colonization had devastated indigenous populations, and fire exclusion became more widespread; by the early 20th century fire suppression had become official U.S. federal policy. Understanding pre-colonization land management, and the traditional knowledge held by the Indigenous peoples who practiced it, provides an important basis for current re-engagement with the landscape and is critical to correctly interpreting the ecological basis for vegetation distribution.​

From The History of the Choctaw, Chickasaw and Natchez Indians H.B. Cushman (who lived with the pre-removal Choctaws in Mississippi)
The forests were burnt off the latter part of every March

so open and free of logs, bushes, and all fallen timber, was their country then (compared to after the Choctaw were removed to Oklahoma), rendered thus by their annual burning off of the woods​
 
One of my lovely US family commented yesterday that they hoped we didn’t end up like California with these bush fires. ❤️ I wanted to explain a little about what’s happening to put things in perspective.

Like some parts of Australia, California often has bushfires in summer. In the 2019 bushfire season which was a bad one, California lost around 250,000 acres in their state to bushfires. In 2018, their worst ever on record, California lost 1.8 million acres. We are now just 3 weeks into summer here in NSW. So far since spring (around September) we have lost almost 7 MILLION acres in NSW and we have 2 months of the fire season still to go and hotter weather to come. It's insane. And unlike California where it is generally just that state, or those nearby, here we currently have fires out of control in South Australia, Western Australia, Queensland and Victoria as well (there’s an additional 2.7 MILLION acres burning across other states in Australia too). This is unprecedented in its size. This is more than four times the size of the bushfires in the Amazon.

These fires are not in the remote outback. They are in country towns, they are in my area, they are in the outer suburbs of cities. Sydney is a big city and sprawls across about the same area as Los Angeles. We currently have one fire, out of control, that covers 1.1 million acres on the outskirts of Sydney - that’s just one fire. (the Gospers Mountain fire). We have bushfires pretty regularly, but not like this.

As well as size, our bushfires are very difficult to control. Aussie bush on the east coast is predominantly eucalyptus. If you’ve ever had a bottle of eucalyptus oil you’ll know it’s flammable. When eucalyptus trees get hot enough they literally explode. The oil vapor created fireballs, the embers fall and keep burning kilometers ahead of the fire and create new fires and if the fires are big enough they create pyrocumulous clouds with their own weather systems (just like volcanoes) sparking lightning and more fires.

And everything is dry. Really dry. We are in the middle of a drought and not forecast any decent rain for at least another month so these are currently almost impossible to contain. And with the country in such severe drought, not only is everything tinder dry to burn, but the water just isn't there to fight it.

Hundreds of houses and thousands of other structures have been destroyed. Entire towns have been obliterated. People have been killed and injured - both firefighters and civilians. And the devastating impact on our iconic wildlife may be irreversible. The koala population in particular may never recover - there is talk that they may face extinction once the fires are over. There are aircraft, heavy machinery and thousands of paid and volunteer firefighters fighting this (NSW Rural Fire Service is the largest volunteer fire service in the world) but they have been working continuously since September, they are exhausted and there’s no end in sight.

So sadly there is no risk we will become like California — in scale and ferocity this has gone way way past the size of California in regards to bush fires.

Thank you to all who have shared and care about us here in Australia ❤️ people have asked how they can help - help here https://www.theguardian.com/…/how-you-can-donate-and-help-t…

Edit: I have updated the stats to include updated data. Sadly the numbers keep getting bigger.

PS for the people getting their knickers in a twist and getting all abusive thinking I’m belittling the Californian experience by saying how bad it is here, I’m not. Fires are all bad everywhere. Lives and property lost to fire is tragic. I’m just giving it context and scale so people understand how BIG this is with something my US family and friends can compare to. These fires are scary huge. Unprecedented size, even on a world scale, that’s all. sheesh!
 
Australia and the US have a mutual fire aid during our fire seasons, the Aussies have trained a lot of our young fireman in fighting bush fire which is a totally different firefighting technique from forest fire, they have been here from Texas to the West coast working with us and we over their if either side can spare the manpower.
 
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