no way you can carry enough to keep going long, especially not in winter, especially not with hostiles about. There's gotta be a dugout shelter and empty drums already buried, Night one of SHTF will have to be spent moving the short term, high cost stuff to the empty drums. Buried food is problematic. animals dig at it, revealing it to humans, who WILL steal it. . However, you need so much food to get thru a year, that you'll simply have to bury the grain and legumes. I'd not be trying to make more than one trip from the storage unit to the drums, and not try to move more than 150 lbs, even walking alongside of a bicycle, So that's the criso, honey, some of the salt (more in the grain-drums, it's so low cost) the multivitamin and mineral tabs, the fish antibiotics, the Tang, PB, instant oatmeal, deer-jerky, and powdered milk. Still gonna have to pop a couple of calves, a week apart and jerk the meat, as well as steal some 100 lb bags of grain. Along with some sprouts, non-hibrate seeds, snaring or quietly shooting some dogs and cats, that might get you thru until you can plant some root veggies.
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Hmm. . . You may need to rethink some of your strategies here. "Pop off a couple calves a week apart and jerk the meat". Seems to me that maybe you need to have meat stored already so when the time comes you can make jerky out of your own goods. I realize in that type of situation times will be different, but don't be surprised if a pop is shot your way. But I am hoping those calves are yours already and you are storing on the hoof. . . Along with the cats and dogs.
Storing caches is a good idea but it has it's limitation, even doing it on Federal land (wild land) is not a guarantee of success, fires/slides/floods have a way of changing the scenery/terrain making it next to impossible to locate, get to or dig out. It's not uncommon to have fires expose peoples emergency cache on public land and would never do it on private land that isn't yours.
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I am not bugging out so fishing gear and a 22 rifle will go a long ways to keeping one fed,,for me a well stocked root cellar is the ticket,,ammo is about the only thing I may cache,,
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I'm putting in a root cellar. That's about as close to a cache that I'm going to get. I'm not bugging out so there's no reason for me to cache anything.
yep, same here, most UK preppers think I've bugged out already because of where I live, some sheeple have called my location "the middle of nowhere" .
There are a few reasons to cache if your bugging in. What about if your home is occupied temporarily by an enemy? What about a fire destroying whats in your house or building? Having a hidden safe cache of supplies is still good to have.
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well if things go as I suspect they will,it will be a long time until I am found,,,the population reduced by 75% or more,,,,,who's going to be around to look
I have small caches in areas I normally hunt or in paths on the way to the cabin but the cabin has supplies for a winter stay and can be built up but because of my location natural disasters can prevent us from accessing the caches and cabin thus I focus on our home base.
I hear ya GG, but a natural disaster can always find you, and destroy your supplies...
You should not put all your prep supplies in the same place. I only have one buried cache, but I have food and redundant equipment in different parts of the house and in other buildings, some in sight and some hidden.
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I've heard that comment many times before, and they must mean somewhere else. Because when l look around from where I'm sitting right now, I see several mountain ranges, some still covered covered in snow. And all are covered in miles and miles of thick forest. I look off to my left and I can see my cattle grazing in lush grass as tall as their backs. We have lakes, streams and rivers full of fish, and water clean enough to drink out of. Game just on my property includes; deer, elk, bear, grouse, turkey, quail and rabbits and squrril. There's also no place on my property where I can see another house or person.
To my way of thinking the city's are truly in the "middle of nowhere".
that's the way I feel too, even a normal winter storm can and does leave my county isolated from the rest of the country.
Good for you.
I've just moved to a spot that I'm told is the middle of nowhere... By my standards it's still pretty built up, it's about a mile and a half outside a small rural village, but I have 5 neighbours.
I'd love to be more remote but when we were looking cost was prohibitive.
My parent's place on the other hand is about as remote as you can get in Southern England. Remote enough that I shot my first Muntjac out of their living room window and my school friends used to come over to shoot Rabbits off our garage roof.
I am an urban prepper and I do have to disagree with Whoeee. If you are in an urban environment, then your are going to have to tough it out on what you have at your location. After the first 3 days, I expect anybody moving around outdoors is going to get attacked or shot at or both. Getting burned out or chased out, is a strong possibility but the chance of escaping to a buried cache, is slim and none. Urban prep is going to be Gray man , community MAG and good luck. That does not mean that prepping is a waste, it most certainly is not, it is vital. If I can disappear behind my locked door and not be seen, then I stand a better chance than my neighbor out looking for food. For urban folks, the situation is going to weed itself out very quickly. No Water =dead. Drinking dirty water = dead. Gang violence = dead. Those are the dead in the first week. Now add the food shortage and by the 5th. week you will have massive dead. So by the 12th week all the diseases kick in. What I am saying is you need 6 month of prepping supplies and every place, even a studio apartment can store that amount. Now after the major doo-doo has hit the fan and the the unprepared have died off, the urban prepper will have a chance. Form community MAG from other survivors. Find and settle down in or around parks or other areas with water features (lake, pond, etc.). Now it won't be easy and will certainly contain numerous risks but I still think it will be a lot better than trying to move from cache to cache and then hoofing it out to some rural area.
The choices for an urban prepper and a rural prepper are worlds apart. The rural prepper starts out with the advantage of food and immediate supplies. The urban prepper will have the advantage of a much greater and longer lasting supply list. Once the outlaw types have been terminated, then the urban prepper is going to be much better situated. Grid may be down but the urban prepper has over a million car batteries to choose from. Each condition and location (rural & urban) will survive. The population will be reduced drastically but folks will survive in each area. The trick is to be one of the survivors. JM2C
The choices for an urban prepper and a rural prepper are worlds apart. The rural prepper starts out with the advantage of food and immediate supplies. The urban prepper will have the advantage of a much greater and longer lasting supply list. Once the outlaw types have been terminated, then the urban prepper is going to be much better situated. Grid may be down but the urban prepper has over a million car batteries to choose from. Each condition and location (rural & urban) will survive. The population will be reduced drastically but folks will survive in each area. The trick is to be one of the survivors. JM2C
So, you are doing this? It's not easy to form MAGS.
I am urban, I have 2 caches on the foot route to the BOL. Food for me and the family, and the dog. That's all, just a few 5 gallon buckets.
When I joined the military, I cached a few things I wasn't comfortable leaving with anyone.
4 plus years later, it was still there, in a state park, buried a few feet from a path. Safe and sound.
I agree with you on the post SHTF urban environment. Leave immediately, or hunker down effectively.
@Squirtgunsquirter I have to agree it is not only difficult but almost impossible to form a MAG pre-SHTF. Too many will talk the talk and not enough will make the walk. The community MAG would be formed from the survivors after the SHTF event has moved into rebuild / barter phase. These are the folks that were smart enough and of course lucky enough to have survived. If you are physically able and financially able to walk to your prepared BOL, outstanding. But in my case, you are talking about walking hundreds of miles through desert and mountain, while being a physically impaired and age hampered senior citizen. So it is not an option for me. Stack it and store it on the route out of town, you bet. Like you said, either leave immediately or be prepared to hunker down. Jumping from one city stored cache to another city stored cache is not a real good idea in my mind. Move from neighborhood to neighborhood to retrieve a cache, I don't think so. JM2C
You don't read as old.
Thank you, I will take that as a compliment --- I Hope.
. Old enough to be use Medicare. Old enough to remember when being on welfare was not something you bragged about. Out of wedlock babies were rare and certainly not a money making event. Just another opinionated old gas passing prepper.
I wish we lived closer.
I really need to bite the bullet, and attend a prepper Meetup here in town.
I really need to bite the bullet, and attend a prepper Meetup here in town.
I am very pleased you would like to meet up but even If I lived next door, not you or anybody else would not know I prepped. You appear to be a very intelligent person and in a purely social setting I would welcome the introduction. We each have to evaluate our circumstances but I am not a big fan of meeting local preppers. Here are just a few of MY reasons. 1) All talk and no action. By that I mean many will talk about storing food, ammo, getting physically fit (not me) training and so forth. But if you were to check their inventory, they will not have half the amount they claim. They will be physically out of shape (me) and will have ten million reasons they can't make that training session but REALLY wanted to go. 2) Now these same folks that are not ready and will never be ready, will give up your name and address in a heart beat to someone threatening them, They will trade info (your name and address) to hopefully save their butts. Heck they may even join with the marauders to find and attack all the members of the MAG. Next to Wally World, the MAG will be the only other place these folks will know that has food and supplies.
Now you work in a big city and that has its plus and minus. You can prep without your neighbors knowing, You can go to the public shooting range and stay invisible. No camo GHB but a plain black backpack computer bag, loaded with the stuff you need to get home. If you are urban, you must become the Gray Man, blend and disappear. My urban motto "out of sight -- out of mind". Rural folks already know each other and what each other does for life and entertainment. So Gray Man is useless. In that type of environment, they have knowledge of each other and how reliable or untrustworthy they each are and that will play a big factor in survival. The trailer trash down the road are likely to have a major accident as soon as the SHTF. What I am saying in my long winded way, is look to YOUR situation and then ask folks on the forum how they might address these problems. Now be prepared to first hear --MOVE OUT OF THE CITY --- then you will get some solid advice on how to possibility add some security to your situation. There is no one perfect answer. I know somebody that spent a several millions on a isolated hidden mountain retreat, only to be greeted by a couple of hunters the other day. No plan is fool proof. Just don't stop planning, one week worth of food is okay if the event only last 5 days. 3 Month worth of preps is enough if the event only lasts 6 weeks. Just keep working on your situation and keep asking questions, that is how we ALL learn.
We are moving. I blend in fine on the bus ride to the capitol.
On my ride back from work, it is impossible. The rare white guy still has a sideways hat, neck tattoo, saggy pants... You get the idea.
I like the bus, and so far no has bothered me.
I can talk to local preppers without any worries. This time next year, with any luck, my house will be mobile.
On my ride back from work, it is impossible. The rare white guy still has a sideways hat, neck tattoo, saggy pants... You get the idea.
I like the bus, and so far no has bothered me.
I can talk to local preppers without any worries. This time next year, with any luck, my house will be mobile.
Nope, I don't get the picture. I maybe a bit old and slow on this one. Why do you blend in going but not coming back? What can you do to blend in on the way back? I understand about the rare white guy but not the rest?
Now as for being mobile, outstanding but what do you hope to gain from meeting local preppers? If you plan to be mobile and bug out at the first sign of a SHTF event, then I don't see any value in exposing you and your Lady to other preppers. Why let anybody know you have supplies and ammo and weapons or anything worth stealing? If you really planned on staying and really insisted joining a MAG, then I could maybe see meeting some local preppers but you plan to bog out. I am lost here. Not preaching or criticizing just curious.
Hmm.
I'm on the bus now. I'll get back to this.
I'm on the bus now. I'll get back to this.
Ok.
I don't work a set schedule. I work a given number of jobs a day, and I need to modify it to stay in sync with other crews.
I always go to work at 5:30 am. Its the first bus of the day. Usually 3 other guys, who look like office workers. I typically wear like Dickies work pants and a polo. I blend in.
If I work until 5 pm, then the bus is full of folks getting off the 9 to 5, and I ride bus 11. It goes through the college campus. I still blend in.
If I get off at say, 2:30, the bus is full of people who just left Walmart or the liquer store. They don't have jobs that I can tell. It's bus 16, and it goes through the ghetto. I can't smoke at transfers, everyone asks for a smoke. Or bus fare. Or once, money to buy her kids something to drink, while she drank a Pepsi and ate cookies while asking me. Things like that. It's all dreadlocks and afros and gold chains and shouting. I fail to blend in. To blend in, I would need to be black, or a white who has been subsumed by black culture.
As to the other, I don't tell anyone the location of the BOL. The stuff I have here is just to get me there. I would mostly be interested in meeting local preppers to barter work for access to private land to hunt, or train on. Never know if you don't try. If SdoesntHTF before I move to SLC, I will collect my rifles and ammo and smallish amount of food stores when I go. No harm no foul. I would have done the work on the farm anyway. It's not just about prepping.
I don't work a set schedule. I work a given number of jobs a day, and I need to modify it to stay in sync with other crews.
I always go to work at 5:30 am. Its the first bus of the day. Usually 3 other guys, who look like office workers. I typically wear like Dickies work pants and a polo. I blend in.
If I work until 5 pm, then the bus is full of folks getting off the 9 to 5, and I ride bus 11. It goes through the college campus. I still blend in.
If I get off at say, 2:30, the bus is full of people who just left Walmart or the liquer store. They don't have jobs that I can tell. It's bus 16, and it goes through the ghetto. I can't smoke at transfers, everyone asks for a smoke. Or bus fare. Or once, money to buy her kids something to drink, while she drank a Pepsi and ate cookies while asking me. Things like that. It's all dreadlocks and afros and gold chains and shouting. I fail to blend in. To blend in, I would need to be black, or a white who has been subsumed by black culture.
As to the other, I don't tell anyone the location of the BOL. The stuff I have here is just to get me there. I would mostly be interested in meeting local preppers to barter work for access to private land to hunt, or train on. Never know if you don't try. If SdoesntHTF before I move to SLC, I will collect my rifles and ammo and smallish amount of food stores when I go. No harm no foul. I would have done the work on the farm anyway. It's not just about prepping.
@Squirtgunsquirter Thank you for the response. My very first thought was quit riding the 2:30 bus. You can't blend in and it goes through the absolutely worst area YOU could travel through. Your life and health is worth more than the few hours you would have to wait for the 9 to 5 bus. How far behind (economically) would a trip to the nearest hospital E.R. put you? Maybe walk between bus stops on the 9 to 5 route, kill some time and build endurance. It would also help you learn what is in the route and what may help you if S did HTF. How many food places, sporting good stores,water sources, places to take shelter in bad weather. The point I am making, don't risk your white hide to save a few hours. Walk the route until the good bus comes. You will have better lung capacity (from a old long time smokers -- quit smoking -- cost too damn much and is easy for non smokers to smell you -- bad OPSEC), know what and where you can find needed things along the route and you have improved your survival chances. The smoking is not intended as a lecture. I still smoke if I am going to drive a long distance - it save so many lives of stupid drivers. But the cost has gotten astronomical and I can buy a lot of ammo for the price of a carton of smokes. About 400 rounds of 62 grain 223 soft point. I am cheap, I want the ammo.
Now as for the local preppers just be very careful and watch your six. Nothing ventured nothing gained is not quite accurate. Any direct interaction with unknown folks has a risk factor. I like your posts, so guard your backside. OPSEC at all times. I need you young whippersnappers to keep me on my toes. (old timer saying -- when folks actually used whips).
I appreciate your concern.
Quitting smoking is a must. Your not the only one pushing for that.
There's another, doable but rotten option. I set my own hours. When I started, the company owner literally said " I don't want to talk to you, or deal with your job. That's the sprinter van, your stuff is there. Don't get behind, and it's your baby". Lol. It's pretty fun.
So I can, to an extent, make my own work. I can work with other crews. I can do inventory. Pretty much whatever I want.
So I could work 10 hours every day, ride the 5 o'clock bus, and make a pile more money on the overtime. I even asked, and they are fine with it. In fact, they gave me raise right after.
But it's rough. It's a physical job. Including the bus rides, that's a 13 hour day, every day.
I don't know. I'll burn out.
Quitting smoking is a must. Your not the only one pushing for that.
There's another, doable but rotten option. I set my own hours. When I started, the company owner literally said " I don't want to talk to you, or deal with your job. That's the sprinter van, your stuff is there. Don't get behind, and it's your baby". Lol. It's pretty fun.
So I can, to an extent, make my own work. I can work with other crews. I can do inventory. Pretty much whatever I want.
So I could work 10 hours every day, ride the 5 o'clock bus, and make a pile more money on the overtime. I even asked, and they are fine with it. In fact, they gave me raise right after.
But it's rough. It's a physical job. Including the bus rides, that's a 13 hour day, every day.
I don't know. I'll burn out.
@Squirtgunsquirter You know yourself, so you got to make the call on the transportation and work schedule.
If it helps, every time I want to buy a pack of smokes, I figured out what else it would buy (ammo, precision trigger, bipod, etc.) I picked out fun things I wanted and that really helped motivate me. Improved health or really long term savings was not any help but new goodies for my firearm hobby (thats what wife calls it) and that was a motivator. I am just about to order 1,000 rounds of 223 ammo + a new 12 ga , all saved from the smoking budget. Since I was a pack a day smoker, it does add up fairly quickly. just my incentive. may not work for others. No past smoker finger pointing, just a cheap skate, that like guns and ammo more than cigs. and can't afford both. The price of firearms keeps going up and my want list keeps growing. If I won the lotto I wold still end up broke but with one heck of an arsenal. LOL.
If it helps, every time I want to buy a pack of smokes, I figured out what else it would buy (ammo, precision trigger, bipod, etc.) I picked out fun things I wanted and that really helped motivate me. Improved health or really long term savings was not any help but new goodies for my firearm hobby (thats what wife calls it) and that was a motivator. I am just about to order 1,000 rounds of 223 ammo + a new 12 ga , all saved from the smoking budget. Since I was a pack a day smoker, it does add up fairly quickly. just my incentive. may not work for others. No past smoker finger pointing, just a cheap skate, that like guns and ammo more than cigs. and can't afford both. The price of firearms keeps going up and my want list keeps growing. If I won the lotto I wold still end up broke but with one heck of an arsenal. LOL.
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