Gun owners in NJ subject to new magazine ban starting Monday

[Curmudgeon]

https://www.guns.com/news/2018/12/1...RGtXBIIrGN4stcpBpBCRB20O91YOpLUBWcxbilh5Hy49s

Gun owners in NJ subject to new magazine ban starting Monday
12/10/18 8:15 AM | by Chris Eger

A ban on magazines capable of holding more than 10 cartridges is set to take effect in the Garden State this week.

Enacted in June by Democratic Gov. Phil Murphy after a multi-year push by state lawmakers, the new law reduces the legal maximum capacity of detachable magazines in the state from 15 to 10 rounds. Second Amendment advocates filed an immediate legal challenge to the ban, set to take effect in Dec. 10, but last week lost their challenge in the 3rd U.S. Circuit after a three-judge panel sided with the state.

“New Jersey’s law reasonably fits the state’s interest in public safety and does not unconstitutionally burden the Second Amendment’s right to self-defense in the home,” said Judge Patty Shwartz, a 2013 nomination by President Obama, for the majority. She was joined in her ruling by Judge Joseph A. Greenaway Jr, a 1996 appointment to the federal bench by President Clinton.

Judge Stephanos Bibas, a 2017 appointment from President Trump, wrote a stinging dissent, saying, “The government has offered no concrete evidence that magazine restrictions have saved or will save potential victims.”

New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir Grewal characterized the ruling as a “Big win for public safety and law enforcement safety!” that upheld what he labeled a sensible law. Those found guilty of possession of a banned magazine could face as much as 18 months in prison, a fine of $10,000 per mag, and a conviction that could result in a lifetime nationwide firearms ban.

The law, which exempts military and police under some circumstances, has drawn fire from national and state gun rights groups including the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs, who are backing the lawsuit.

“The mag ban lawsuit will continue after the deadline, and we believe it will eventually prevail, but gun owners face serious criminal penalties if they do not comply with the mag ban by December 10, 2018,” warns the ANJRPC in an alert. The group has released a four-page guide explaining how to comply with the current law, which requires subject magazines to be surrendered, rendered inoperable, permanently modified to accept no more than 10 rounds, sold, transferred, or stored out of state.




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[SHOOTER13]

“New Jersey’s law reasonably fits the state’s interest in public safety and does not unconstitutionally burden the Second Amendment’s right to self-defense in the home,”

...said Judge Patty Shwartz, a 2013 nomination by President Obama, for the majority. She was joined in her ruling by Judge Joseph A. Greenaway Jr, a 1996 appointment to the federal bench by President Clinton.

Judge Stephanos Bibas, a 2017 appointment from President Trump, wrote a stinging dissent, saying, “The government has offered no concrete evidence that magazine restrictions have saved or will save potential victims.”


Those found guilty of possession of a banned magazine could face as much as 18 months in prison, a fine of $10,000 per mag, and a conviction that could result in a lifetime nationwide firearms ban.

What....?!

What are those who own over 10 round pre-ban magazines supposed to do...Trash 'Em !!??

{ The group has released a four-page guide explaining how to comply with the current law, which requires subject magazines to be surrendered, rendered inoperable, permanently modified to accept no more than 10 rounds, sold, transferred, or stored out of state. }

Unbelievable...

Just one more nail in the coffin of "Rights" taken away by Liberals in the Communist State of NJ...

Judges shouldn't be "appointed"...they should be "voted upon" by the citizens of that state.



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[RichR]

NJ residents can PM me for my PA address. I'll be willing to take all of your old +10 round mags, No charge.

Seriously though, that sucks.

 

[Curmudgeon]

What are those who own over 10 round pre-ban magazines supposed to do...Trash 'Em !!??

"rendered inoperable" IS one of the options.

NJ residents can PM me for my PA address. I'll be willing to take all of your old +10 round mags, No charge.

LOL, and I bet you'd even pay shipping too!!

 

[SHOOTER13]

ANJRPC 4 page Guide ( pdf ):


https://cdn.ymaws.com/www.anjrpc.org/resource/resmgr/evan_nappen/complying_with_nj_s_mag_ban-.pdf


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[Curmudgeon]

ANJRPC 4 page Guide ( pdf ):


https://cdn.ymaws.com/www.anjrpc.org/resource/resmgr/evan_nappen/complying_with_nj_s_mag_ban-.pdf


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What a load of horse hockey!

I wonder how many New Jersians are now criminals.

 

[SHOOTER13]

A whole lot of 'em...!!

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[Supervisor42]

A whole lot of 'em...!!

If a picture is a thousand words, I only have one for the residents of New Jersey:

Nothing else provides complete relief. And it costs less than a $10,000 fine.
If I did it, it can't be that hard.
There are plenty of states waiting for you with open arms (pun).
Tell the commies :flip:.

I think this song put it best:

"You just slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don't need to be coy, Roy
Just get yourself free.

 

[Curmudgeon]

And it costs less than a $10,000 fine

And that's only if you own 1 mag! It's 10 grand for each mag.

Imagine the poor guy that gets caught with 50.

 

[Supervisor42]

And that's only if you own 1 mag! It's 10 grand for each mag.

Imagine the poor guy that gets caught with 50.

I don't know what it's gonna take to convince people up there; maybe seeing a friend's family thrown out in the street because of a stupid law about a simple piece of plastic.:confused;

 

[Dutchboy]

I guess the Lawmakers forgot to put this in the magazine bill:

http://nj1015.com/you-cant-have-large-ammo-magazines-in-nj-but-now-cops-can/

 

[Curmudgeon]

Same thing happened in NY when Cuomo signed the 'Safe Act'.

It made the cops instant criminals, lol.

 

[Dutchboy]

I would love to know just how in the heck are they going to enforce this new Law?

I know of a few private ranges that have posted signs "Prohibiting mags that hold more than 10 rounds, unless you are LE & exempt".

 

[SHOOTER13]

Enforcement will have to be point of contact...surely ( don't call me Shirley ) they can't know who owns them...

So...buy the burial vault...dig a hole out back of the house...then pray that someday NJ lawmakers will get their heads outta their ass.



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[Dutchboy]

they can't know who owns them...

That's a yes & no there buddy.

When purchasing a firearm in this State, the seller/transferor must indicate on the permit to purchase form the make, model, caliber & serial number of the gun. These forms are maintain by the State and Municipal Police. While it would take some effort, one could conceivably examine the permit to purchase register/database and determine who has firearms capable of holding the exceeded limits. Keep in mind that this effort, in and of itself could not determine for sure if one has such magazines, but could determine who has possession of such firearms capable of holding same.

While I don't see this as a basis for an initial investigation/enforcement of this Law, it certainly is one way of determining who could potentially have such magazines. I recall back in the day and depending on the nature of the call, we would examine our database to determine if in fact that household that Officers were being dispatched to had possession of firearms or not.

It was just a "Heads Up" for Officer safety so to say, and again only for certain calls.

 

[threetango]

Come

 

[Curmudgeon]

When purchasing a firearm in this State, the seller/transferor must indicate on the permit to purchase

You have to have a permit to buy even a rifle? That's whack!

 

[RevV]

I certainly do not support this new mag law! I lived in NJ only to attend Princeton and then I escaped for good.
I do my continuing ed at other institutions because of NJ's anti-gun laws.

It seems to me that if a government is going to outlaw mags of a certain size, then that government should be forced to bear the expense of replacing for every citizen every single "unlawful mag"
with a mag that meets the requirements of the new law. While that would still be a slap in the face to law-abiding gun owners, at least they would still have the number of mags they had previously and would have them at the expense of the State which rendered their personal property illegal.

 

[Curmudgeon]

It seems to me that if a government is going to outlaw mags of a certain size, then that government should be forced to bear the expense of replacing for every citizen every single "unlawful mag"
with a mag that meets the requirements of the new law. While that would still be a slap in the face to law-abiding gun owners, at least they would still have the number of mags they had previously and would have them at the expense of the State which rendered their personal property illegal.

Sounds fair enough. Maybe if these lawmakers were forced to consider cost in these maniacal laws they come up with, things might dial back a tad.

 

[threetango]

I am totally against the government dictating anything about my weapons. I served 20 years carrying an automatic weapon safely and have a great deal of knowledge about them and I'm sure the politicians who want to take my rights away have a dark agenda and know next to nothing about them..

I posted this in another area but feel like it fits here also.

 

[SHOOTER13]

Amen Top !!

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[Curmudgeon]

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/12/gun_confiscation_begins_in_new_jersey.html

 

[RichR]

read a report the other day (sorry, don't remember where, so no link) that NOT ONE magazine had been handed in since the law took effect Dec. 10.

 

[Curmudgeon]

read a report the other day (sorry, don't remember where, so no link) that NOT ONE magazine had been handed in since the law took effect Dec. 10.

Yep, I posted this on another forum.
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I guess New Jersians gave a big ole :icon_fU: to their law makers, lolol.

A Million New Jersey Gun Owners Ignore State’s Magazine Ban

When New Jersey passed its ban on possession of magazines containing more than 10 rounds in June, it gave the state’s million or so law-abiding gun owners 180 days to comply. The law provided five options: 1) modify the offending magazines so they could accept no more than 10 rounds; 2) “render the firearm [that accepts such magazines] inoperable”; 3) register firearms that cannot be “modified to accommodate 10 or less rounds”; 4) transfer the firearm or the magazine to “an individual or entity entitled to own or possess it”; or 5) surrender the firearm or the magazine to local law enforcement.

The million or so law-abiding gun owners selected option No.6: ignore the law and defy its enforcement.

The 180-day period expired on December 11, and not a single magazine has been turned in to any local law-enforcement agencies, according to responses obtained from Ammoland’s John Crump: “Ammoland reached out to several local police departments in New Jersey to see how they plan on enforcing the ban, and [to learn] what the turn-in numbers have been [as of December 14]. Like the New Jersey State Police, none of these departments have a concrete plan on how to proactively enforce the ban, and none had a single report of magazines being turned over.”

The penalty for being found in possession of one of the newly offending magazines is stiff: It’s a felony, with punishment consisting of up to 18 months in jail, and up to $10,000 in fines, or both.

When gun-hating liberals in the Colorado enclave known to some as “the Peoples’ Republic of Boulder” passed a law banning possession of “assault weapons,” “high-capacity” magazines, and “bump stocks” last May, gun owners reacted similarly. The New American covered the story and estimated that law-abiding citizens living in Boulder owned approximately 150,000 now-offending firearms. They needed to be “certified” under the law’s grandfather clause by December 27 or fines and jail time would be applied to those newly minted miscreants. As of December 1, the Boulder Police Department had certified just 85 of them.


Lest law-biding gun owners reading this think that New Jersey or Colorado are a long way from where they live, and therefore they have nothing to worry about, they should consider the disheartening and threatening move by numerous states to inflict similar injury onto them through “red flag” laws. They should further consider what their response will be when law enforcement shows up at their front door, either with a demand to turn over offending magazines or relinquish their firearms under an ERPO — an “Extreme Risk Protection Order” — now the law in more than a dozen states with another dozen or so considering such laws.

The New American has reported on the dangers of ERPOs here and here. One individual, Gary Willis, a resident of Ferndale, Maryland, was confronted with such a situation at 5 a.m. in early November. He resisted and it cost him his life.

Local papers covered the incident. Willis was asleep early Monday morning, November 5 when two officers from Anne Arundel County knocked on his door. A law-abiding gun owner, Willis answered the door “with a gun in his hand,” according to a police department spokesman. They were there to serve him with an “extreme risk protective order” and remove his legally owned firearms.

According to a police department spokesman, Willis put his firearm down to read the ERPO but then, apparently recognizing that it wasn’t a legal search warrant issued by a judge in accordance with protections guaranteed to him by the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution but instead was issued by a local judge under Maryland’s newly minted “red flag” law, he retrieved his firearm.

The spokesman said that Willis “became irate.” In the melee that followed, one of the firearms carried either by one of the officers or by Willis went off. One of the officers then pulled his own sidearm and shot Willis dead.

FlexYourRights.com has a 38-minute video on YouTube that helps gun owners who take the risk of such a confrontation seriously. For those interested in a lawyer’s take on how to respond, one could consider purchasing Tim Baldwin’s “Police Contact: How to Respond” in DVD format for $20. Says Baldwin: “If a policeman believes you are guilty, being innocent may not be enough to keep you protected. There are many innocent people incarcerated in America’s prisons, or worse. Unfortunately, citizens themselves often help bring on improper conduct [by police] through their own ignorance of the law.”

This writer endorses Baldwin’s explanation. which is designed, as he says, to “keep you out of jail — or out of the morgue.”

Such presentations may still leave unanswered the question of how to respond when a law-enforcement official comes to the door with a warrant that clearly violates or ignores the strictures put in place by the Founders in the Fourth Amendment. How should he then respond? That question needs to be answered long before the doorbell rings.

According to Crump, New Jersey law-enforcement officials either have no plan to enforce the magazine law or aren’t willing to discuss it. Those departments he quizzed refused to answer, or responded with “We do not discuss law enforcement strategies.”