Has "Prepping for Survival" gone in the WRONG direction......???

[Sourdough]

Maybe this whole Prepping and Survival concept has gone in the wrong direction. I believe it was corrupted, polluted, Hi-Jacked, and skillfully manipulated into the wrong direction. But, the same could be said of the general direction America has embraced. And likely the two are fully interrelated.

My teachers were different, my training has been different, my charted course has been different. Were my teachers on the right track.......maybe. Are the current teachers on the right track.......maybe. Will it really matter......It could matter. Will there be a test.......yes. Will that test be graded on a "Bell Curve".......no.

 

[Grizzleyette___Adams]

I like the illustration of our tests not being graded on a Bell Curve. I am interested in what you think the right direction could be.

I think that much of the mainstream Prep/Survival concept is temporary, woefully inadequate and NOT sustainable. What will the average person who subscribes to popular concepts do when the “last beans, bullets and bandaids” are gone? Hope that things will return to normal? To be more sustainable and adaptable to potential new normals, I am constantly researching and experimenting with skills and SHTF backup plans that are backups to plans A, B and C, some of which include primitive living skills. (I plan on starting a number of threads soon about this, because like the old saying goes...“iron sharpens iron.”)

 

[Meerkat]

Maybe this whole Prepping and Survival concept has gone in the wrong direction. I believe it was corrupted, polluted, Hi-Jacked, and skillfully manipulated into the wrong direction. But, the same could be said of the general direction America has embraced. And likely the two are fully interrelated.

My teachers were different, my training has been different, my charted course has been different. Were my teachers on the right track.......maybe. Are the current teachers on the right track.......maybe. Will it really matter......It could matter. Will there be a test.......yes. Will that test be graded on a "Bell Curve".......no.

Will I ever understand your post, hopefully. . Soon as I figure out the code I will.

 

[Grizzleyette___Adams]

Ha ha...in the years that I have known VP, his posts have made my brain hurt...because he forces me to think outside of my little box. Oy vey...

 

[Meerkat]

Ha ha...in the years that I have known VP, his posts have made my brain hurt...because he forces me to think outside of my little box. Oy vey...

Well my little box is getting littler by the day so I need some help with it.

 

[Grizzleyette___Adams]

Yeah well, sometimes venturing outside will drive you crazy. You have been warned, lol.

 

[Sourdough]

Yeah well, sometimes venturing outside will drive you crazy. You have been warned, lol.

 

[Meerkat]

Good one.

 

[joel]

This happens to everything, when it gets to big,old ,powerful. So everyone need to be prepared for, watchful for misguided people & POV.
We are to stay open to the new way, without losing the old ways.

 

[Amish Heart]

The thing is, to prep for your family. Who cares about the prepping industry? And who cares what direction it's going? It only matters if prepping is a business for you.
Everybody has different needs for themselves and their family. Focus on that.

 

[snappy1]

The thing is, to prep for your family. Who cares about the prepping industry? And who cares what direction it's going? It only matters if prepping is a business for you.
Everybody has different needs for themselves and their family. Focus on that.

I agree completely! DH is pretty disabled at this point. Am I going to dump him and run into the woods or anywhere for that matter? Of course not! But I can and will shore us up and learn as much to keep us on the right track as I possibly can. We can only do what is financially and physically viable at this point.

 

[Sourdough]

Who cares about the prepping industry? And who cares what direction it's going? It only matters if prepping is a business for you.

Where did you notice any conversation in this thread about the "Prepping INDUSTRY" and/or Business........??? I am just curious which post that is in......Please....??? Thanks.

 

[ssonb]

Anytime there is money to be made any subject can be corrupted. I have posted before and GA sees it also. All we have out there being presented to the buying public is just a glitzy, crome covered, multipurpose, new and improved, high performance all weather traction reinvented version of the same survival wheel that our ancestors used. Even we here are hoping to see and predict what we will need and what will happen with our own crystal balls of our own manufacture, So far I think all I have manufactured is a bowling ball.

 

[TMT Tactical]

Maybe this whole Prepping and Survival concept has gone in the wrong direction. I believe it was corrupted, polluted, Hi-Jacked, and skillfully manipulated into the wrong direction. But, the same could be said of the general direction America has embraced. And likely the two are fully interrelated.

My teachers were different, my training has been different, my charted course has been different. Were my teachers on the right track.......maybe. Are the current teachers on the right track.......maybe. Will it really matter......It could matter. Will there be a test.......yes. Will that test be graded on a "Bell Curve".......no.

Preppingg and Survival concept. What is YOUR concept? Aside from cryptic posts. You say you believe it was corrupted, polluted, Hi-jacked and skillfully manipulated but you have not provided you perception of what it should have been, so who can tell if it is or is not improperly changed. Your teachers taught what? Where they right, we don't know because you have not told us what you were taught. What current teachers do you refer to and what do they teach, we don"t know and can't comment because you have not provided or shared any points to discuss. Cryptic can mean anything and nothing. Some actual points to discuss would be helpful. I love new and interesting points and different incites but you have to make a point, not just create a thread topic. Help me out here. What specific point would you like to discuss?

 

[Sourdough]

It is totally pointless for me to respond, in specific detail. It is pointless for me and it is pointless for the forum members. This is a closed group, and typical of closed groups, it has circled the wagons. I don't think this group realizes how closed it is. Now is that a problem for me......NO. Is that a problem for the group.......NO. This thread and a few of the other threads that I started have turned into classic studies of group dynamics. That is neither good or bad, it is just what is.

The group has embraced it's list of core beliefs. The group has it's leaders who attack and attempt to discredit anyone new who does not blindly subscribe to those core beliefs. Does any of that matter.......NO, again it is just what is. I have been under attack from the moment I joined this forum. Does that matter........NO, it simply is what is. And matters not to myself or the group. In fact it is a substantial part of what makes a group a group.

My prospective spans over 60 years in the study of prepping and survival, which is a longer period from which to have noticed the evolution of this prepping/survival movement. One could choose any point in the last 40,000 years to mark the start of the "Modern" prepping/survival movement. My being born in the mid 40's.......I choose the mid to late 50's as the birth of "Modern" prepping/survivalist movement.

At it's start it was never intended to embrace everyone. The basic theory was birthed by an architect Don Stephens, and was written about and modified by: Mel Tappan and Bradford Angier and Col. Townsend Whelen and later put forth by Jeff Cooper, and many others. While not part of that group, Major Frederick Russell Burnham's theories of "Scout" and, his methods as "Scout" operations have influenced my prepping direction.

Preppingg and Survival concept. What is YOUR concept? Aside from cryptic posts. You say you believe it was corrupted, polluted, Hi-jacked and skillfully manipulated but you have not provided you perception of what it should have been, so who can tell if it is or is not improperly changed. Your teachers taught what? Where they right, we don't know because you have not told us what you were taught. What current teachers do you refer to and what do they teach, we don"t know and can't comment because you have not provided or shared any points to discuss. Cryptic can mean anything and nothing. Some actual points to discuss would be helpful. I love new and interesting points and different incites but you have to make a point, not just create a thread topic. Help me out here. What specific point would you like to discuss?

 

[Meerkat]

It is totally pointless for me to respond, in specific detail. It is pointless for me and it is pointless for the forum members. This is a closed group, and typical of closed groups, it has circled the wagons. I don't think this group realizes how closed it is. Now is that a problem for me......NO. Is that a problem for the group.......NO. This thread and a few of the other threads that I started have turned into classic studies of group dynamics. That is neither good or bad, it is just what is.

The group has embraced it's list of core beliefs. The group has it's leaders who attack and attempt to discredit anyone new who does not blindly subscribe to those core beliefs. Does any of that matter.......NO, again it is just what is. I have been under attack from the moment I joined this forum. Does that matter........NO, it simply is what is. And matters not to myself or the group. In fact it is a substantial part of what makes a group a group.

My prospective spans over 60 years in the study of prepping and survival, which is a longer period from which to have noticed the evolution of this prepping/survival movement. One could choose any point in the last 40,000 years to mark the start of the "Modern" prepping/survival movement. My being born in the mid 40's.......I choose the mid to late 50's as the birth of "Modern" prepping/survivalist movement.

At it's start it was never intended to embrace everyone. The basic theory was birthed by an architect Don Stephens, and was written about and modified by: Mel Tappan and Bradford Angier and Col. Townsend Whelen and later put forth by Jeff Cooper, and many others. While not part of that group, Major Frederick Russell Burnham's theories of "Scout" and, his methods as "Scout" operations have influenced my prepping direction.

VirginP, if your looking fro a forum that will only think the way you do you will be disappointed.

I know most here don't agree with me either but they tolerate me as I do them. No group of people will ever all think alike but cliques will be involved fro sure.
I can agree with almost everybody on some subjects and don't hold it against them unless they are hurting others. Then I stay out of debate and don't take sides.
Some are controlling and and it does seem those are the favored ones here and other forums. But don't let them stop me from debates unless it gets real bad.
We don't know who is on the other side of screen or if they are hurting , so I try to be nice to all. Not lose myself just consider.

 

[Cnsper]

My prospective comes from 45 years of doing what grandma and grandpa did. There was no prepping, just preserving until the next harvest.

If the world comes to an end, it will di it with or without me. I might be better off not being around for it anyway. Either way I will not live my life in fear.

I don't have a generator or stores of fuel. I don't have stockpiles of weapons but I do know how to use the ones that I have.

I may go down before others but who wants to be in diapers again anyhow? Quality of life not quantity of life is my goal.

My ex was an optimist, she was positive the worst would happen.

 

[ssonb]

VP Noone here is really arguing , I for one like the different approach, I see that your experience's have a lot to give and learn from. We all know that on a forum there will very rarely achieve the bright Mercury vapor bright spotlight moment of illumination. I hope to be able to pick up some of the Christmas tree light moments.

 

[SheepDog]

Environment plays a critical role in a persons preps. In rural Alaska the conditions are very different than suburban Chicago or Rural Kansas. Here, in the middle of wheat country my preps are very different from what they were in Seattle when I lived there. The mindset changes but the important part remains. I want to live through any event - not just survive but live it. I have a larger garden and do more canning and preserving here. My water comes from a well and not from a city treatment plant. I have a newer home and a couple of out-buildings with room to work and store more. We have a small community that does all the same things. Hunting is minutes away instead of hours.
In rural Alaska you have a lower count of people per acre of land and more meat animals than here. You can put in a cache and expect it to be there months later - that is not possible here because there is little "free land" and most of it is private farm land.
Perhaps it is not so much that we are a closed group as it is your own attitude that your way is the best way. It likely is for you where you are but it doesn't fit in many other places. So, drop the chip off your shoulder and join in conversations. You may be surprised how willing we are to accept what you do under your circumstances.

 

[Sourdough]

VirginP, if your looking fro a forum that will only think the way you do you will be disappointed.

No........that is not what interests me. But some forums are more about members getting their "LIKE" button pushed, and establishing priorities around who can win the most likes contest.

Most forums are an example of my whole point with this thread.........and the direction that the Prepping/Survival concept has taken. I say the better direction was the original direction, the original goal, the original purpose. I think many prepping/survival forums are setting people up to die. And it will likely be a very horrible death.

The original concept of prepping/survival............did not have like buttons, it was not about seducing people into "Feel Good".

 

[Sourdough]

your own attitude that your way is the best way.

At NO......point have I ever stated that "MY" way was the best way.........never. I have never even suggested that my way was even the best way for myself.

To the extent that I could and should be accused of anything on this forum.......it is my oven and over and over stated opinion that the entire prepping and survival subject as it exists today is deeply flawed.

 

[SheepDog]

No, you don't even share your way. So far you have contributed only your distaste for what is here. I can accept and be OK with that because it doesn't affect what I do at all.
It does however keep you at odds with what we do here. You seem to have a great deal of knowledge but you don't seem to understand that the value of knowledge comes from sharing it.

 

[Sourdough]

No, you don't even share your way. So far you have contributed only your distaste for what is here.

WRONG.............My distaste is not with this forum, or any of it's members. My issue is with "ALL" forums and "ALL" blogs on the subject of Prepping/Survival. I firmly believe that people, lots of people are going to die needlessly because of the current prepping theory/concept.

I spread my "Distaste" far and wide, with no regard to race, creed, color, sex, religion, or national origin.

 

[Grizzleyette___Adams]

The group has embraced it's list of core beliefs. The group has it's leaders who attack and attempt to discredit anyone new who does not blindly subscribe to those core beliefs. Does any of that matter.......NO, again it is just what is. I have been under attack from the moment I joined this forum. Does that matter........ .

Nope, nope, nope. With all due respect, most of us have been scratching our heads trying to figure out what you are laying down in a number of Original Posts. (Some got frustrated enough to say something to that effect; some gave up, but more than a few of us kept trying to figure out what you were trying to convey. (Please re-read those threads, you’ll see what I am talking about.)

A lack of clarity in some of your original posts and lack of response to questions in efforts to understand has created a dilemma. There are more than a few of us who would genuinely like to understand your point of view, but instead we are forced to play a guessing game. In the meantime, we are all throwing in our POV on the topic, as is done in all threads, in all forums around the world… All along the thread there is still no clarity or answers to any of the questions asked of you in efforts to better understand what you are trying to convey to us.

Take this thread for example:


POST #2

I like the illustration of our tests not being graded on a Bell Curve. I am interested in what you think the right direction could be.

POST #3

Will I ever understand your post, hopefully. Soon as I figure out the code I will.

(Virgin Prepper, I am curious why you didn’t expound on your topic so that it could be understood...when it was apparent that wasn’t happening, the thread continued on without you until TMT Tactical drew you out with these questions. (Does this sound like an attack? NO. He voiced what many of us wanted to know. And that we are frustrated because we need to twist your arm to get any help or answers to better understand--for lack of a better word--cryptic posts.)




POST #14

Preppingg and Survival concept. What is YOUR concept? ......

Your teachers taught what? Where they right, we don't know because you have not told us what you were taught. What current teachers do you refer to and what do they teach, we don"t know and can't comment because you have not provided or shared any points to discuss.......

Some actual points to discuss would be helpful. I love new and interesting points and different incites but you have to make a point, not just create a thread topic. Help me out here. What specific point would you like to discuss?

Virgin Prepper, Over the years I have learned a lot from you, and thank you for that...(I had hoped you would share some of that with this group). And, if you will re-read some of your threads, you will see that others were interested in learning what you have to say, but had to guess at what you are trying to convey because you seem reluctant to answer questions or clarify what we don’t understand. And now, you are attacking us for not understanding posts that are not clear to anyone, even to those who are genuinely interested...That just ain’t right. It is US that is being attacked, more than anything…


I implore you to please reconsider your methods of sharing your knowledge, and you may find a more productive exchange of dialogue. Especially here.

 

[Sourdough]

I implore you to please reconsider your methods of sharing your knowledge, and you may find a more productive exchange of dialogue. Especially here.

Sorry.....no. It would just end in a vote. People want to judge and then vote. But they can only vote, relative to the beliefs to which that are currently attached.

While it was never my goal..........it turned out as a byproduct of my threads and posts, that the real value is in seeing how group dynamics work, and superimposing that on how a survival group would function, day to day, hour to hour, etc.

And I deeply appreciate your concern, for both me and the group.

 

[Grizzleyette___Adams]

Sorry.....no. It would just end in a vote. People want to judge and then vote. But they can only vote, relative to the beliefs to which that are currently attached.

While it was never my goal..........it turned out as a byproduct of my threads and posts, that the real value is in seeing how group dynamics work, and superimposing that on how a survival group would function, day to day, hour to hour, etc.

And I deeply appreciate your concern, for both me and the group.

"It would..."

You are pre-judging, which is not fair. True, there are some who will disagree (which is to be expected because we have not been stamped from cookie-cutters, lol), there is NO "pack mentality" here. Many are genuinely open to what others are sharing. What I especially appreciate about this group, is the lack of heckling and trolling here (unlike other places), which makes this place a fertile ground for exploring ideas. But, clarity is an important ingredient to making any honest dialogue work. Answering honest-hearted questions will go a long way to grow your ideas.

Fair enough?

 

[Sourdough]

Answering honest-hearted questions will go a long way to grow your ideas.

Maybe that is where the problem lays. Maybe people think that I want to grow my ideas.......I do not. All I am saying is that people have embraced a "Readers Digest" condensed, bite size, currently popular, short list of Prepping/survival concepts. AND that it might be prudent to study all or more of the options.

I doubt they will, I doubt anything will change. And I am not talking about this forum, I am talking about the whole current prepping/survival movement.

 

[ssonb]

Never mind off post.

 

[Grizzleyette___Adams]

Maybe that is where the problem lays. Maybe people think that I want to grow my ideas.......I do not. All I am saying is that people have embraced a "Readers Digest" condensed, bite size, currently popular, short list of Prepping/survival concepts. AND that it might be prudent to study all or more of the options.

I doubt they will, I doubt anything will change. And I am not talking about this forum, I am talking about the whole current prepping/survival movement.

OK, remove the word "grow" and insert the word "understand" your ideas. What is the point of starting a thread that no one can understand?

Most of us here ARE continually studying options, but if the options are cloudy and obscure, it is impossible for us to study or even comment intelligently to the original post.

 

[VenomJockey]

WRONG.............My distaste is not with this forum, or any of it's members. My issue is with "ALL" forums and "ALL" blogs on the subject of Prepping/Survival. I firmly believe that people, lots of people are going to die needlessly because of the current prepping theory/concept.

I spread my "Distaste" far and wide, with no regard to race, creed, color, sex, religion, or national origin.

With such "distaste" for "ALL" Forums, one wonders why you are HERE?