Have any interest in what's going on in our nation's prisons?

[VenomJockey]

If you discount the obvious liberal bias, the information and data are factual, and give a pretty good coverage of what is going on in our nation's prisons. Online subscription is free.

https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/subscribe/print/

 

[TexasFreedom]

Just glancing, that looks like a liberal magazine. Maybe I'm wrong.

I think prison is a failed strategy. The idea is for people to 'serve time' and 'learn their lesson'. Prisoners get 3 meals a day and a nice cot to sleep in. How in the world does that help reform anybody?

I think the old days of delivering justice 5 minutes after the trial ends would generate far more reform. Yes, SCOTUS would call this cruel/unusual, but they are the ones that are wrong. Our founding fathers were perfectly happy (and every single one of them) with delivered justice.

99% of prisoners would be 'reformed' if they got a severe beating or saw hangings for crimes committed. The next time they think about stealing a car, their memory will remind them how much pain they got the last time they stole and how much worse it is for repeat criminals. And murderers/rapists get one conviction and get executed/hung/etc. That will certainly reduce future murders and 100% eliminate repeat murderer convictions. Yes, a few truly innocent people would suffer. But far more innocent people will not get violated by repeat criminals, and I'm ok with that.

 

[tmttactical]

I have a new and improved 3 strike law. First felony conviction (prison time served -- multiple felonies attached to first sentence still count as one for 3 strike rule purpose) minimum 5 year prison sentence. 2nd Felony conviction (new trial and conviction after release from prison) 10 year minimal prison sentence. Now for the winner -- Third felony conviction after being imprisoned 2 previous times is an automatic death sentence. No appeals, no deals, no delays. Justice served ASAP. If you have served prison time twice and are too stupid to have learned your lesson, then you are too stupid to be rehabilitated and released upon society. The idea is to prevent prosecutors from piling on felony charges and also to prevent idiots from being life long prison residents, at the tax payers expense. Anybody can make a mistake, Some people deserve a second chance and others are just a waste of space and air. JM2C

 

[TexasFreedom]

UP,
Overall I like your thinking, but it has unintended consequences. If you group crimes, and someone starts killing, the number they kill won't matter so they'll keep at it.

And the cost to keep all these guys in prisons is really time consuming. Keep in mind, some modern forms of punishment are quite effective. For example, where Korea 'canes' people, that doesn't sound like that big a deal? Often people are in a hospital (or a bed somewhere) for a month after their caning. Total devastation of the body's functions. I would consider a month in a bed sufficient 'reform' treatment for many crimes.

And don't let these guys fill a hospital, keep the current prisons where people facing a sentence (aka jails) care for those who have been caned. These guys might thing they're tough, but let them see what caning does to their fellow 'tough' guys and we'll see them facing fear maybe for the first time in their lives. They see tough Bubba on Monday. Bubba gets caned Tuesday, and they see Bubba again whimpering in bed on Wednesday. And their case comes up on Friday...

But here's a bonus strategy. Anyone convicted of a felony loses all ability to get any welfare for 10 years. Second conviction makes that permanent and denies any social security or Medicare ever. And I like your third penalty, only benefit there is a spot in Potter's cemetery (or cremation?).

BTW, one more addition. For anyone who intentionally hides evidence that would have proven innocence for someone else, they face a felony penalty themselves.

I know, we're dreaming.

 

[VenomJockey]

Just glancing, that looks like a liberal magazine. Maybe I'm wrong.

I think prison is a failed strategy. The idea is for people to 'serve time' and 'learn their lesson'. Prisoners get 3 meals a day and a nice cot to sleep in. How in the world does that help reform anybody?

I think the old days of delivering justice 5 minutes after the trial ends would generate far more reform. Yes, SCOTUS would call this cruel/unusual, but they are the ones that are wrong. Our founding fathers were perfectly happy (and every single one of them) with delivered justice.

99% of prisoners would be 'reformed' if they got a severe beating or saw hangings for crimes committed. The next time they think about stealing a car, their memory will remind them how much pain they got the last time they stole and how much worse it is for repeat criminals. And murderers/rapists get one conviction and get executed/hung/etc. That will certainly reduce future murders and 100% eliminate repeat murderer convictions. Yes, a few truly innocent people would suffer. But far more innocent people will not get violated by repeat criminals, and I'm ok with that.

It is a Liberal publication, but their facts and law are corerect....you just have to ignore the Liberally biased reporting.

 

[tmttactical]

@TexasFreedom I really like your caning idea. Maybe we should start that for juvenile (less strokes) conviction, I am pretty damn sure it would have more influence that Juvenile Hall. Public executions are another good way to impress the young and dumb. Bottom line prison may not be a good place to be but it is not bad enough to stop the idiots form spending their entire lives behind bars. 3 and out permanent.

 

[VenomJockey]

Here's a thought.....KNOWINGLY commit a felony, get the DEATH PENALTY, period. Clean up the gene pool in one whack. It's been proven time and time again it's the SAME 3-4 million criminals who commit 80% of the crime in America. ELIMINATE THEM, and you have just eliminated 80% of the crime problem. And if the DEATH PENALTY does not deter the other 20%, they need to go, too. Real simple solution, saves untold billions of taxpayer dollars, eliminates the need for prisons to house felony offenders, greatly simplifies and speeds up the judicial process, stops "recidivism" in its tracks, and eliminates crime all in one go.

Yeah, I know, it'll never fly in our Liberalized society, but wouldn't it be great to REALLY make American streets safe again?

 

[lonewolf]

lock em up and throw away the key.

 

[DrHenley]

Why not draw and quarter them while you're at it

 

[lonewolf]

why waste the effort? locked in a cell without food they wont last very long.

 

[DrPrepper1]

I recently watch a docu series on HULU (A&E) called 60 days in. It was is where normal everyday people (never committed a crime) volunteer to go to jail for 60 days. There are cameras on them and they report what they find. Some people don't make it all the way thru they opt out early ( I would never volunteer in the first place), but some of them make it all the way. It is pretty shocking what goes on there. Most people have a deeper appreciation for what guards have to go through.

 

[lonewolf]

British prisons are a holiday camp compared to American ones.

 

[TexasFreedom]

Everyone makes mistakes. I'm amazed that 80% of men survive our teens/twenties. We do stupid in massive, painful ways. And I'll put me at the front of that line. I know plenty of guys who did a felony, learned their lesson and stayed clean. I'm ok with giving people a second, even a third shot for the stubborn ones. But each mistake has a meaningful cost.

 

[tmttactical]

That is why I like my 3-Strike terminal law. Strike one (for the young and dumb). Strike two (second chance and maybe just with bad company). Strike 3, (just too stupid to learn and and a drain on resources --- Terminate the Bas---ds). Yeah, I know I am a softy but what can I say.

 

[lonewolf]

once is an accident, twice is stupidity, strike 3 and your out(permanently).

 

[TexasFreedom]

UP,

I think we agree on this. I was responding to VenomJockey.

 

[lonewolf]

I like the "1,2, 3 strikes your out" philosophy, probably only work post SHTF as people are snowflakes nowadays.

 

[TexasFreedom]

BigPaul,

Unfortunately, my approach is true for today. post-SHTF, it's the 1-strike policy. There is no time for prison, corrections, etc. It will be live or die, do right or get taken out. There is no margin for error in that world.

 

[lonewolf]

unfortunately in the UK the Police have lost control, only today they was a report of a disabled lady being pelted with eggs and flour in a park by 3 teenagers around 15 years of age.
large parts of London are lawless and out of control.
post SHTF like you say, WROL we will have to be our own police force.

 

[Maverick]

Bring back the 12hr chain gang 6 days a week for the harden criminals. petty criminals 30 day hard labor first offense second offense one year, if the person haven't learned the lesson in the first and second they deserve life on the chain gang! child molesters and rapists death by flagellation (cat o' nine)

 

[Mountain trapper]

First off I think we have far too many laws that could land someone in prison who really shouldn't be there. We've become a police state and crime and prisons are big business.
Secondly, we keep far too many violent prisoners incarcerated that should be executed withen 30 days of being sentenced.
Of course that will never happen because of my first point. Too much money and power are at stake.

 

[lonewolf]

Bring back the 12hr chain gang 6 days a week for the harden criminals. petty criminals 30 day hard labor first offense second offense one year, if the person haven't learned the lesson in the first and second they deserve life on the chain gang! child molesters and rapists death by flagellation (cat o' nine)

nobody got a rope?