Jill Stein and the changing delegates

[user 7704]

What is everyone's opinions on Jill Stein calling for recounts and the 6 (so far) delegates that aren't voting for Trump on December 9th?

 

[Brent S]

What is everyone's opinions on Jill Stein calling for recounts and the 6 (so far) delegates that aren't voting for Trump on December 9th?

I saw she's raised over three million dollars so far to investigate it. My personal opinion is Trump is the next president now. Unless they find some real 'smoking gun' of fraud or something big, he is it. Might as well sit back and give the guy a chance now. I do think it's time to loose the electoral crap though. Popular vote is fair, period.

 

[user 6493]

What is everyone's opinions on Jill Stein calling for recounts and the 6 (so far) delegates that aren't voting for Trump on December 9th?

if they do not cast their vote the way their state voted,it should be thrown out and counted for no one and they should be banned from politics for life and there voting rights revoked for life

 

[user 7704]

I saw she's raised over three million dollars so far to investigate it. My personal opinion is Trump is the next president now. Unless they find some real 'smoking gun' of fraud or something big, he is it. Might as well sit back and give the guy a chance now. I do think it's time to loose the electoral crap though. Popular vote is fair, period.

Totally disagree on the popular vote. california, new York, Texas and Florida would elect every president. how many of the voters on these border states aren't even citizens. No matter how many illegals or dead people vote in California, they are held to a certain number of deligates. The Electoral College guarantees that every state has a vote.

 

[Brent S]

Totally disagree on the popular vote. california, new York, Texas and Florida would elect every president. how many of the voters on these border states aren't even citizens. No matter how many illegals or dead people vote in California, they are held to a certain number of deligates. The Electoral College guarantees that every state has a vote.

I understand why it was started, but still think the only fair way is by what each individual wants. Twice now it went against what the people voted for, that's twice too many. Even I'd Montana only has a fraction of the people compared to the more populated ones, their votes don't get lost, just added into the whole.

 

[lonewolf]

its "one person- one vote" here where I live, but there is still a lot of voter fraud that goes on, dead people voting that sort of thing.

 

[user 7704]

THe Founders knew what they were doing. We don't want to be a Democracy. We want to be a Representative Republic.

 

[user 6493]

I understand why it was started, but still think the only fair way is by what each individual wants. Twice now it went against what the people voted for, that's twice too many. Even I'd Montana only has a fraction of the people compared to the more populated ones, their votes don't get lost, just added into the whole.

each state is treated as a individual election,Trump won the most states and electoral votes,,to allow a election to be decided by a few states would be wrong in a close election, a few states with large population could make the votes of people in less populated states a moot point

 

[Undertaker]

What is everyone's opinions on Jill Stein calling for recounts and the 6 (so far) delegates that aren't voting for Trump on December 9th?

Its really irrelevant weather the so called 6 delegates do not vote for Trump the fine is coming out of their pockets not ours. That said Trump would still have the electoral votes needed to win the Presidency. These Liberal Whine ***** might as well give up there is no way they are going to over turn this election....The fallout from Clinton losing is not **** compared to what it would be if they over throw this election and give it to Killary. The SHTF has not even begun yet......You lost! Get the Hell Over IT!

 

[AuntieB]

Totally disagree on the popular vote. california, new York, Texas and Florida would elect every president. how many of the voters on these border states aren't even citizens. No matter how many illegals or dead people vote in California, they are held to a certain number of deligates. The Electoral College guarantees that every state has a vote.

Exactly. the whole left coast and New York would be deciding and those people do not represent the way most of America thinks. Neither Trump or Clinton really campaigned in CA, OR or WA because there was no need to, those people vote Democrat. @robinjopo is 100% correct.

 

[DrHenley]

This election is a prime example of why they didn't want a direct election. They did NOT want a few large cities steamrolling the rest of the country.

Massive voter fraud in just one large city could throw the whole national election. (think Chicago reporting 20 million votes for Hillary)

 

[Brent S]

This election is a prime example of why they didn't want a direct election. They did NOT want a few large cities steamrolling the rest of the country.

Massive voter fraud in just one large city could throw the whole national election. (think Chicago reporting 20 million votes for Hillary)

I still stand that a direct election is the only fair way to do it. As far as fraud goes, there's been no real evidence given anywhere. Both parties throw the term around to boost their case, but it's baseless. Remember, the big cities are filled with Americans too. You can't just dismiss someone's vote because it's not to your liking.

 

[Undertaker]

I still stand that a direct election is the only fair way to do it. As far as fraud goes, there's been no real evidence given anywhere. Both parties throw the term around to boost their case, but it's baseless. Remember, the big cities are filled with Americans too. You can't just dismiss someone's vote because it's not to your liking.

Thats basically what they are trying to do.....Make the members of the Electoral College change their vote because they don't like it. And I agree the fraud crap is baseless...

 

[user 6493]

all this voter fraud crap is just a tool to stir the pot,,,you would think with the election over all the **** throwing would be over,,,,but no,,,these people are worse than 10 year old kids,,I am getting pretty tired of seeing it every day in the news

 

[Undertaker]

THe Founders knew what they were doing. We don't want to be a Democracy. We want to be a Representative Republic.

Yep the Founders knew what they were doing but the problem is here 200+ years later and our government is still in the dark and don't know what they are doing.....

 

[user 6493]

Yep the Founders knew what they were doing but the problem is here 200+ years later and our government is still in the dark and don't know what they are doing.....

I needed a good laugh this morning,,,,,,,,,it's a shame that you are right thou...............

 

[DrHenley]

I still stand that a direct election is the only fair way to do it. As far as fraud goes, there's been no real evidence given anywhere.

According to research done by the Pew Center:

• Approximately 24 million—one of every eight—voter registrations in the United States are no longer valid or are significantly inaccurate.
• More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters.
• Approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state.

If you want documented proof of specific instances, just Google "documented voter fraud 2016". There is AMPLE "real evidence." Even the mainstream media admits it:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/17/no-voter-fraud-isnt-myth-10-cases-where-its-all-to/

 

[lonewolf]

there is plenty of voter fraud in the UK too in our northern towns and cities places like Birmingham, Manchester, Oldham and Rochdale, all place with high migrant populations.

 

[Brent S]

According to research done by the Pew Center:

• Approximately 24 million—one of every eight—voter registrations in the United States are no longer valid or are significantly inaccurate.
• More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters.
• Approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state.

If you want documented proof of specific instances, just Google "documented voter fraud 2016". There is AMPLE "real evidence." Even the mainstream media admits it:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/17/no-voter-fraud-isnt-myth-10-cases-where-its-all-to/

All that is true, however it's due to clerical laziness, not fraud. There is still no proof that any of it was used to vote illegally. I have not seen one documented case where a dead person cast a vote in this election yet, and every time a person moves they don't cancel voter registration with their old residence. Again, not a single documented case of voting in two states by someone. I do see these issues as a potential for fraud though, and think the govt should come up with a more secure system. We all have a social security number in this country, tying your vote to it shouldn't be too hard.

 

[jontte]

it's not done like that??
if it would,it would be a great improvement.

 

[Silent Earth]

I understand why it was started, but still think the only fair way is by what each individual wants. Twice now it went against what the people voted for, that's twice too many. Even I'd Montana only has a fraction of the people compared to the more populated ones, their votes don't get lost, just added into the whole.

Then you would always end up with two or three very large urban conurbations with massively high numbers of welfare dependents controlling the whole country.

 

[DrHenley]

I have not seen one documented case where a dead person cast a vote in this election yet

True, all the documented cases are from previous elections. But it's been less than a month since the election, and the previous documented cases didn't come to light immediately.

 

[Brent S]

True, all the documented cases are from previous elections. But it's been less than a month since the election, and the previous documented cases didn't come to light immediately.

I find it amusing that trump constantly said the election was rigged, at least until he won. I'm sure there was someone somewhere that found a way to cheat, but believe it was minimal at best.

 

[user 7704]

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All that is true, however it's due to clerical laziness, not fraud. There is still no proof that any of it was used to vote illegally. I have not seen one documented case where a dead person cast a vote in this election yet, and every time a person moves they don't cancel voter registration with their old residence. Again, not a single documented case of voting in two states by someone. I do see these issues as a potential for fraud though, and think the govt should come up with a more secure system. We all have a social security number in this country, tying your vote to it shouldn't be too hard.

I've seen instances of boxes of hidden absentee ballots that were found years later .