N. Korea Missile Launch? Russian Exercises?

[NCNative88]

N. Korea says itll be launching a satellite into space here soon using one of their rockets. But that makes a lot of countries uneasy. What are your thoughts on it?


Also Russia has ramped up it's military exercises to Cold War status. Just a big thumping on their chest or in preparation? They have been dropping a LOT of money into upgrading their Navy and other capabilities.

Just looking for some thoughts on it. I enjoy seeing other peoples views.


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[Gazrok]

NK is NK... Un does not live in the real world, but instead a fantasy world he's basically concocted. Thing is, China is happy with him being the buffer between them and the West, so they tolerate and support it. And, any who disagree or try and shatter that world, are simply executed.

One satellite is one satellite. Even if nefarious, we've been spending billions for decades, so pretty confident it doesn't really pose a threat. (especially given their lack of success at miniaturizing missile tech).

Make no mistake with Russia, the Cold War is back on. Our current proxy wars are the Ukraine and Syria. Russia's cash cow (oil) has taken a beating lately, so they are fiercely trying to protect their interests. Part of those interests are natural gas pipeline agreements in the Ukraine and Syria that compete with Western interests.

We're not interested in ISIS except to keep Syria unstable, because as long as it is, the pipeline project can't move forward. Same in the Ukraine. ISIS efforts in Iraq are only being hampered when it interferes with the flow of oil, and truly threatens the "lets make a deal" regime currently in place. We have ZERO tactical interest in destroying ISIS at this time...even if morally, we really should.

This all said, Russia and China still do not have the logistical means to war with the West in any traditional sense, and a nuclear confrontation, while damaging to the West, would mean all out destruction of Russo-China. Not to mention, China has no interest in destroying it's best customer, after all. (the US)

The only real worry is if that NK satellite has an EMP weapon aboard. It's really our one big vulnerability from a national defense standpoint, and it is kind of mind boggling we haven't really addressed it. Of course, Un certainly realizes that IF he did launch an EMP weapon over the US, NK would then basically be irradiated by sub-based missiles. So, doubt he's even that crazy. Sure, his bunkers are deep, but when your country is a radiation hot zone, surviving is one thing, living, another.

 

[jontte]

so much to worry about these days,russkies do make me uneasy as I don't know what they would do if their Baltic fleet gets locked in,would they go through the Baltic states and/or my hood here?
the cheaper the oil is,the more money they loose and a bankrupt dictator,as mad-vlad is,will be desperate to save his ass by any means available,war is just a tool in his box of tricks...
then we have those hoards of muzzies here,come spring and it will escalate once again.

 

[NCNative88]

I doubt anyone would ever try and invade America. Logistically its a nightmare in MANY facets. BUT, if someone were to do a coordinated attack with EMP and insider attacks they could cause some pretty decent damage. Hell, even without the EMP. Some well trained people with the right equipment could wreak HAVOC on the average population and police force. Everyone thinks you need a big force to cause chaos but you really dont.

Look at how crazy New Orleans was after Katrina. Now imagine if whole states went without power for more than 1 week. It would cause problems.

America will probably implode from the inside before any outside force can find it's way here.

 

[jontte]

fighting asymetrically is quite effective,that's something I fear here with all those muzzies and the lack of effective border controls.

 

[Rob Painless]

I'm always uncomfortable with the possibilities of what the spoiled brat in N Korea might be talked into doing. He'll figure that he's got nothing to lose, so just go for it. No big deal if they put a satellite in orbit, but it might mean that they now feel confident using a long range rocket like that as a weapons delivery system against us. Several of our enemies, who are allied with the N Koreans, might be more than happy to supply necessary components and be silent partners in destroying us. No matter to what small degree.

 

[Rob Painless]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/0...indow-planned-rocket-launch.html?intcmp=hpbt2
Pretty good report on the launch test & potential ramifications.

 

[NCNative88]

Yeah, they could cause havoc in the U.S. with minimal manning and the right equipment. Start taking down power grids or big water hubs and people will start going nutty. A tornado went through base the other day (Ft. Stewart) and took out the power. Within 1 day people were freaking out without power. Like they couldn't function without it. But they somehow found ways to bitch about it on social media. It's crazy how pampered and spoiled a lot of people are. Oh and the majority immediately started asking for handouts. Some people who were not even impacted were caught asking for help. Pathetic.

 

[jontte]

the army base Ft.Stewart???

 

[Rob Painless]

It's crazy how pampered and spoiled a lot of people are. Oh and the majority immediately started asking for handouts. Some people who were not even impacted were caught asking for help. Pathetic.

Exactly. And not just pathetic, it's downright disgusting. Just like so many of the 'people' who poured out of New Orleans after Katrina. My mother-in-law, who at the time was working for the Red Cross and was helping coordinate relief efforts in Atlanta, told of how most of those 'people' would go through the food lines complaining about what they were being given to eat (which, BTW, was really good food) and throwing it all in the trash cans at the end of the food lines. She said the trash cans were filled with unopened sub sandwiches, food packs and bottles of water. All because they wanted fried chicken, pizza, soda pops & chips. Absolutely NO gratitude or thanks and demanding their money cards. Just think of how it will be when there is no help coming to appease them with their entitlement mentality.