Question on kitchen cabinets

[phideaux]

Now a question for the people in the know.
When I add Crown mold to top of cabinets , I intend to make gussets to attach to inside of top at correct angle to pin nail to.
Question .
The cabinets front door frames protrude 1/4" past side wall of cabinet.. how do you add the crown moulding on the 2 uneven surfaces?

Jim

 

[Neb]

Now a question for the people in the know.
When I add Crown mold to top of cabinets , I intend to make gussets to attach to inside of top at correct angle to pin nail to.
Question .
The cabinets front door frames protrude 1/4" past side wall of cabinet.. how do you add the crown moulding on the 2 uneven surfaces?

Jim

Please provide images so we can help you.

Ben

 

[phideaux]

Here's the top side of cabinets.
The front frame sticks out past the side of cabinet by 1/4".

I'm thinking I may need to lay a 1x2 filler on top of all the cabinets , mitered at each corner , and flush with front and hang over 1/4" on the side and attach my crown moulding to the filler slightly below top cabinet eadge.
I only have 1/2" of cabinet above the doors.

Jim

 

[Peanut]

They aren't making it easy are they? I'd be making a call or two before getting started.

 

[phideaux]

I wish the cabinet sales people had told me the trick to install the moulding.
It wasn't cheap , I have it sitting in my garage.
Figured that would be the last thing I'd do to the kitchen.

Jim

 

[phideaux]

This is what it is suppose to look like.

 

[Spikedriver]

Could you cut a little strip to put on the sides, that will exactly match how the front of the cabinet sticks out on the edges, and then attach the crown to that?

 

[Spikedriver]

Disclaimer: I am the world's worst carpenter, so feel free to ignore my suggestions...

 

[LadyLocust]

This is what it is suppose to look like.
View attachment 77385

They just sat it on top and have the 1/4" protruding from the cabinet leaving a little lip there. (That's what it looks like to me.) Mine went to the ceiling and just had scribe - sorry if not much help.

 

[SoJer]

They just sat it on top and have the 1/4" protruding from the cabinet leaving a little lip there...

Yah, I'd concur. @ Sir phideaux - While ya could possibly 'coping-saw out' notches to sculpt the Crown 'around' those side-extensions, what 'LL' above suggests would be simpler, overall..

Ya could start by making a 'blocking-grid', with some cross-bracing - ie: think like a 'tic-tac-toe' grid with an extra couple splines on the long-side - of even say 1" x 3"s, and the 'extensions' for the Crown to butt-against in those two-spots, each side, would simply be scribed / cut to match the angle of the Crown, and then make some 'cleats' to secure-down that 'blocking-grid', to the top of the Cabinet..

..Then, a few 'pin-nails' (I assume you have a finish-nailer, if not, easy to rent + compressor..) to tack-down the lower edge of the Crown, to the sides of the Cab.. Then just fill the lil holes / finish like you would..

Would end up being More than 'strong enough', and maybe even a good spot to 'hide stuff' - like an extra Pistol or two / some rounds to feed 'em..

I'll see if I can sketch-up what I mean / post-up later this pm..

Edit:

..That's (more or less - Probably could 'simplify' quite a bit, but that's the 'concept'..) the Idea.. Lemme know if you've questions..

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jd

 

[phideaux]

Thanks y'all for the ideas.

I was hoping that there was a way to do the job without modifications .
Sure looks like there has got to be mods .
Framework on top to accommodate and support the moulding is the answer.

@Spikedriver , that was my first idea, a 1/4" shim on each side as a filler, and then make gussets ,at proper angle, to pin nail to.

Both would work. Which one is easier and least expensive.

PS, wasn't my idea to add the crown mould. I just do the work.

I'm just a passenger on this cruise ship of life , I'm not the captain.
And I try to stay away from the outer rails ,

Any other input will be helpful , as I build my case of defense.

Jim

 

[havasu]

Jim, it appears with my cabinets, they added a full length filler for the edge protrusion. I myself would just add a piece of molding against the crown so it looks flat. Here are a few pics of my crown for reference.

 

[Neb]

Yah, I'd concur. @ Sir phideaux - While ya could possibly 'coping-saw out' notches to sculpt the Crown 'around' those side-extensions, what 'LL' above suggests would be simpler, overall..

Ya could start by making a 'blocking-grid', with some cross-bracing - ie: think like a 'tic-tac-toe' grid with an extra couple splines on the long-side - of even say 1" x 3"s, and the 'extensions' for the Crown to butt-against in those two-spots, each side, would simply be scribed / cut to match the angle of the Crown, and then make some 'cleats' to secure-down that 'blocking-grid', to the top of the Cabinet..

..Then, a few 'pin-nails' (I assume you have a finish-nailer, if not, easy to rent + compressor..) to tack-down the lower edge of the Crown, to the sides of the Cab.. Then just fill the lil holes / finish like you would..

Would end up being More than 'strong enough', and maybe even a good spot to 'hide stuff' - like an extra Pistol or two / some rounds to feed 'em..

I'll see if I can sketch-up what I mean / post-up later this pm..

Edit:

..That's (more or less - Probably could 'simplify' quite a bit, but that's the 'concept'..) the Idea.. Lemme know if you've questions..

.02
jd

While that would be strong is it over-kill?

The close up what it is supposed to look like shows the edge of the molding flush with protrusions on the sides.

Like what @LadyLocust suggested the molding can just sit on top of the cabinets and secured with brads in pre drilled hole from the top down into the tops of 5he cabinet.

Do you have enough molding to mock up a corner to see how it could work?

Ben

 

[goshengirl]

My thought is that there should be something up there, but that 1x3s or 1x2s would be too top-heavy (without adding the same to the bottom). I'd lean towards a small piece of moulding to give it a sense of balance without being too much.

 

[phideaux]

Well my question has been answered.
No way to just put crown moulding on the cabinets .
There's got be be some additional modifications.

Now just gotta decide which mod.

Thanks y'all.

Jim

 

[Bacpacker]

I might be way off with what your moulding is. But could you cut a ravvit in the bottom of the moulding just enough for it to sit on the cabinet and tack it down from above?
Rabbit = just a 90 degree cut out on the side sit down on th ecbinet with 2 edges touching.

 

[SoJer]

While that would be strong is it over-kill?

..Depends on the size of his Crown.. Overall - sure - Why I noted 'can simplify' (a Lot, actually..) depending on size of the Crown, but that sketch was simply for 'conceptual purposes'.. Besides, "1 x 3" really Isn't these days, so.. Something more like 3/4" x 2" or 3" would also cut it..

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jd

 

[phideaux]

I might be way off with what your moulding is. But could you cut a ravvit in the bottom of the moulding just enough for it to sit on the cabinet and tack it down from above?
Rabbit = just a 90 degree cut out on the side sit down on th ecbinet with 2 edges touching.

Yes , another good idea.

The one problem I have is....I only got 1/2" above the doors to tack on the 3 1/2" moulding.

Thanks

Jim

 

[phideaux]

I'm leaning toward 3/4"x1 1/2" slabs on top of cabinet to give more surface to pin nail the moulding to , and let it hang I've 1/4" on the sides.

I have a lot of 2x4s I can rip into 3 strips to make the slabs .

Just still thinking easiest and cheapest way out.

Jim

 

[Bacpacker]

I might cut a 1/2' x 1/2'' rabbit and nail straight thru

 

[Terri9630]

This is what it is suppose to look like.
View attachment 77385

The moulding is sitting on top of the cabinet there. You could build a 1x2 frame that attaches to the inside lip of the cabinet and attach the moulding to that.

Oops, I'm late. Guess I should read all the replies first.

 

[Neb]

I'm leaning toward 3/4"x1 1/2" slabs on top of cabinet to give more surface to pin nail the moulding to , and let it hang I've 1/4" on the sides.

I have a lot of 2x4s I can rip into 3 strips to make the slabs .

Just still thinking easiest and cheapest way out.

Jim

Come on man!.

(Copyright Brandon)

Did you try to prototype a simple corner?

The crown molding isn't structural.

Mock up a 4x4 6x6 8x8 corner.

Ben

 

[haboob]

Well, you either have to fur it out or notch the crown (or build the framework that was suggested).
Another thought - what about no crown? In my many decades of doing this, it was becoming more common to just go with no crown.....? There are no rules that say you have to add the crown, maybe live with it for a year and see if you like it?

 

[haboob]

PS - If you have to have it, I would get MDF for the furring strips. Precut, no need for your table saw.

 

[phideaux]

Well, you either have to fur it out or notch the crown (or build the framework that was suggested).
Another thought - what about no crown? In my many decades of doing this, it was becoming more common to just go with no crown.....? There are no rules that say you have to add the crown, maybe live with it for a year and see if you like it?

If it was my decision, I'd go without the crown moulding.

Wife says this old farm house needs it , the entire house has crown moulding, so keeping with the look, she wants it.
Bless her heart.

I'm just on the cruise ship of life.

Jim

 

[phideaux]

You've never met my wife ...huh?

Jim

 

[haboob]

You're right, Jim - Ya don't want to mess with that!

 

[havasu]

Jim, I've seen lots of crown molding where it is glued and brad nailed only at the base. Any 90 degree turns can be glued and pinned on both sides, which gives it a lot of strength.

 

[phideaux]

I'm going to start on it today. Had other honeydo projects yesterday.
Gonna start by ripping some 1x1 1/2 strips to glue and pin nail to top of cabinets ,so I have some substantial surface to glue and pin nail to.

My cabinet doors are only 1/2" down from top of cabinet...if I attach to that small area ...leaves no clearance for doors.
I'll attach the crown mould to strips at 1/8" below the strip to cover the strip and seam.

Hope it works.

Y'all know, my wife thinks I can do anything.
And she demands perfection.

YEAH RIGHT.

Jim

 

[Tirediron]

Ok steel is my go to material, or logs , but what about adding a strip around the top perimeter of the cabinet to attach the molding to, and just attach that to the cabnet, and the molding to the strip , the frame above will create a dust trap that will need to be vacuumed to keep clean. (log building living experience)