Roots and Harvest Lids and Rings DO NOT PURCHASE !

[Pamelina]

so… I am pissed with this Roots and Harvest company owned by LEM. I bought 12 cases of their jars at Tractor Supply. Canned 9 cases of chicken thighs. 8 and a half cases failed. I am a very experienced canner. 30 years. I called R&H 2 weeks ago about the issue. The woman says yeah.. I know. We’re getting complaints . We will send you out new ones. I said WHY in the world would you send me more of your defective lids and rings. If you go past finger tight the rings will spin right around the jar. After much prodding I find out their jars are made in India. A third world country that doesn’t even have basic healthcare. Well what do you expect? Cheap ass company paying almost nothing to a company in India and charging 16.00 a case! 30 lbs of chicken down the drain. I let them sit for 2 days before taking off the rings. Their “manager” was suppose to call me back. Kevin Scott. 2 weeks and 2 more calls later.. nothing.
The customer service works from home and they are sketchy about where their corporate office is though she gave me the address but no one can call there because the calls go to someone at home then they transfer the call. I spoke to the CS person last week and she said she emailed him as well but Mr Scott doesn’t seem to care about customer service. Well they have quietly removed the jars from their website as well as Tractor Supply. BEWARE… DONT BUY THESE. If I knew this I would not have bought them in the first place. I don’t support companies that do business with a country that openly rapes and murders women and does nothing about it. Not to mention their cheap made products are garbage so they can save a buck and charge Americans premium price. And no I don’t shop Wally World or dollar tree either.

 

[Magus]

Vote with your feet and spread the word, pictures help.

 

[lilmissy]

Pur also is an inferior jar. Made in China. We stopped shopping at Tractor Supply when we found out they might have ties to WEF and Epstein. But they have been working on their ESG score
https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...nvironmental-Social-and-Governance-ESG-Report

 

[viking]

All most everything is now made in China, we've noticed that Ball lid seals no longer have the quality that they used to have, my wife was shown by an older friend that the Ball lids made in the 1970's are reusable, we have some things that she canned as far back as 1987 are still in excellent condition, the vacuum is as strong as if it was canned yesterday, it's blackberry jelly and it tastes wonderful. It's sad to see how bad the Ball lid seals have gotten, even the box that the jars come in have a message that the lids are good for 18 months and from the looks of the seal material, I'm not so sure they would make it that long.

 

[Pamelina]

Well of course. The powers that be don’t want us to self sustain… I pay no attention. If it looks good after 18 months, I’m eating it.

 

[Pamelina]

Pur also is an inferior jar. Made in China. We stopped shopping at Tractor Supply when we found out they might have ties to WEF and Epstein. But they have been working on their ESG score
https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...nvironmental-Social-and-Governance-ESG-Report

I agree. I will no longer be shopping there either. I found out they had a tent up at a pride event luring children in the tent with a man in drag reading them books about are you a girl or are you a boy.. no… bye TS…

 

[Pamelina]

I agree. I will no longer be shopping there either. I found out they had a tent up at a pride event luring children in the tent with a man in drag reading them books about are you a girl or are you a boy.. no… bye TS…

BTW.. Another day has gone by with no call from Kevin Scott the Manager at LEM. Which according to the CS lady is owned by the Cohen family.

 

[joel]

I buy my Jars(DW) from Walmart & never had a problem with any jars.
My mother used bell & mason jars also, never a problem.
Oh a few lids would not seal out 24 jars, but never more than one or two

 

[Buffalo]

We ran into this same issue a couple of years ago, when jars and flats were in short supply. We had a bumper crop of pickling cukes. I traded a couple of bushels of them to a friend who had started raising meat rabbits. I received six rabbits (which we dispatched at his place, cleaned and then I ziploc bagged them and iced them down for the ride home. I put them in the freezer for canning once the weather cooled a bit (it was August after all). Come first of October, I wanted to pressure can those rabbits for shelf stable storage, as we had taken our beef steer in for processing (and he was HUGE, 900 pounds of beef on this guy!!!) and we were going to need every last inch of freezer space we could find.

I checked all my regular places for flats and couldn't find any, outside of the little 4 ounce jelly jars that is. I happened upon some jars at Tractor Supply, they were pretty expensive for quart jars, but being that I only need a few to do the rabbits in, I opted to buy them. Processed in the All American like normal, the rings were pretty funky on them, like you said, beyond a certain point they would spin loose, but was able to get all of them to seal, or so I thought. Put them in the pantry and didn't think anything of it.

Came home from the shop one afternoon and noticed an "off" smell. I thought it was the kitchen trash can, as both my kids have this odd ability to walk past the thing, multiple times a day, add more trash to the bag and yet never realize that at some point it needs taken out to the dumpster.... weird right? Anyways, I remember I was exhausted from a 14 hour day, took a shower and went to bed. Next morning, I took the trash out while my coffee was cooking and my yellow lab was doing her business. My wife drives bus for the school, so she usually makes it into the shop around 9:00, but that morning she wasn't there at the normal time. I called her to make sure everything was alright. When she answered the phone, she had a horrible raspy sound to her voice. When asked what was wrong, she said she had just been loosing her breakfast. The source? Everyone of those jars of rabbit meat had failed, spoiled and had actually bubbled the disgust onto the pantry shelves at some point. She had discovered it when she went to grab two jars of chicken meat to use in crock pot chicken and noodles for supper. Bless her heart, she was trying to clean it up, but she does not do well with that kind of stuff.

From that day forth, we vowed to only use Ball or Kerr jars and flats, although we did get some of the Harvest Guard reusable rings and lids last fall, but didn't wind up needing them. I plan on using some of them this year to see how they hold up.

 

[angie_nrs]

Does anyone know anything about these lids?
I saw some on sale for $1.99 per box and will be an additional 20% off soon. I don't typically buy off brand lids but was wondering if anyone uses these?

Actually, I just read a review online and it's not good I think I'm going to pass......

ETA: I just re-read lilmissy's response.....Now I'm definitely gonna pass.

 

[teeceetx]

It sounds like a business opportunity for someone to make these here in the U.S.

 

[ClemKadiddlehopper]

Pur also is an inferior jar. Made in China. We stopped shopping at Tractor Supply when we found out they might have ties to WEF and Epstein. But they have been working on their ESG score
https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...nvironmental-Social-and-Governance-ESG-Report

 

[MoBookworm1957]

I have used Harvest jars, rings, flats in my 30 year of canning.
But I prefer Ball or Kerr.
I have 5 lids and flats not seal, but I am pretty sure it was my fault.
I buy my jars, flats rings where I can get the price and value for my money.
I have bought jars ,rings and flats from Wal*Mart, Dollar General, Target, Tractor Supply.

 

[Bacpacker]

Wife has had problems with Harvest lids sealing, seems about 30-40% failure

 

[DWinCO]

I picked up some of those Pur lids...less than $1 a box. I did try them out on some jam and they did seal. I prefer Ball and I did try Superb.

 

[MoBookworm1957]

I have more trouble with ball lids, flats, rings 30-45% failure.
But to each their own.

 

[ClemKadiddlehopper]

All lids are crap, now. I have some lids from thirty years ago, and both the metal and the seals are way thicker.

I am really moving away from canning. Lids here are now $7.99 a dozen and with all the failures, it's making me cranky. A case of wide mouth qrt jars is $28.99. If I didn't have a huge stash already, I wouldn't bother.

 

[joel]

so… I am pissed with this Roots and Harvest company owned by LEM. I bought 12 cases of their jars at Tractor Supply. Canned 9 cases of chicken thighs. 8 and a half cases failed. I am a very experienced canner. 30 years. I called R&H 2 weeks ago about the issue. The woman says yeah.. I know. We’re getting complaints . We will send you out new ones. I said WHY in the world would you send me more of your defective lids and rings. If you go past finger tight the rings will spin right around the jar. After much prodding I find out their jars are made in India. A third world country that doesn’t even have basic healthcare. Well what do you expect? Cheap ass company paying almost nothing to a company in India and charging 16.00 a case! 30 lbs of chicken down the drain. I let them sit for 2 days before taking off the rings. Their “manager” was suppose to call me back. Kevin Scott. 2 weeks and 2 more calls later.. nothing.
The customer service works from home and they are sketchy about where their corporate office is though she gave me the address but no one can call there because the calls go to someone at home then they transfer the call. I spoke to the CS person last week and she said she emailed him as well but Mr Scott doesn’t seem to care about customer service. Well they have quietly removed the jars from their website as well as Tractor Supply. BEWARE… DONT BUY THESE. If I knew this I would not have bought them in the first place. I don’t support companies that do business with a country that openly rapes and murders women and does nothing about it. Not to mention their cheap made products are garbage so they can save a buck and charge Americans premium price. And no I don’t shop Wally World or dollar tree either.

Sounds like no QA department.

 

[Tim Horton]

It has been a while ago now but on a trusted brand of steel lids I have had good success with in the past I saw on the box of lids something to the affect ...use product before 18 months...

Anyone noticed anything like this ??

 

[Snowman]

It has been a while ago now but on a trusted brand of steel lids I have had good success with in the past I saw on the box of lids something to the affect ...use product before 18 months...

Anyone noticed anything like this ??

All most everything is now made in China, we've noticed that Ball lid seals no longer have the quality that they used to have, my wife was shown by an older friend that the Ball lids made in the 1970's are reusable, we have some things that she canned as far back as 1987 are still in excellent condition, the vacuum is as strong as if it was canned yesterday, it's blackberry jelly and it tastes wonderful. It's sad to see how bad the Ball lid seals have gotten, even the box that the jars come in have a message that the lids are good for 18 months and from the looks of the seal material, I'm not so sure they would make it that long.

Well of course. The powers that be don’t want us to self sustain… I pay no attention. If it looks good after 18 months, I’m eating it.

Always Check the Dang Labels...!!!