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I'm all about the Whiskey here and then some 
Spirits makes excellent barter items!
I have several cases of different brand Bourbons and non Bourbons. Use for trade/barter gifts and good times.
Spirits makes excellent barter items!I have several cases of different brand Bourbons and non Bourbons. Use for trade/barter gifts and good times.
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Yep Mav, you never know when you are going to get bit by a rattlesnake.
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I like the idea of bartering and booze is something that will always have value. I may have to add a few bottles to my list. Of course my good Scotch will never be traded away.
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The BIL family has a distributorship so I think these my be some of the trial and error bottles. Apple whiskey, blackberry whiskey, grapefruit whiskey all sound pretty bad to me. The peppermint moonshine sounds kinda good for a cough or cold.
Learn to make it and you will ensure having a sustainable supply for trade.
Right after collapse....I'd agree. But, there will come a time of stabilization too.
People WILL realize that it is better to barter for a continued resource, than raid for a one-shot one. We plan to be producers and barterers.
So, what happens when Mr. Warlord comes?
Well, if he comes shooting, we fight or flee (based on the comparison of forces vs. defenses).
If we flee...we leave a surprise. (see below)
If he comes willing to talk, we talk. If he balks at our offer, and says he'll just take it all...I'll say fine, you do that (and we'll leave, without telling them which stores are poisoned). We then wait a few days, come back, and mop up any survivors....turn them into compost, and go back to normal.
that may be a long time after collapse, could be a matter of years rather than months, depends on the survival rate I suppose, SHTF will bring out the worst in some, I know we will always hope it brings out the best but it wont necessarily work out that way. not something I want to chance my life on.
Which is why I spend time NOW to consider every angle I can think of, down to trading protocol, defense, etc.
But no man is an island, and while we'd have a small group and many skillsets, there will always be items, supplies, and skills that WE may need to barter FOR as well.
Our biggest value is more in services vs. goods, so any halfway intelligent raiders should realize it is better to have an arrangement with us, and get ongoing goods and services, vs. a one-time raid for limited ones.
I tend to amass what I need, either in terms of gear or in skills(i'm learning at least one new skill each year) or go without.
i'm keeping my setup fairly simple so no need for fancy gizmo's and gadgets.
no trading and bartering as I do not trust other people and I do mean everybody.
i'm keeping my setup fairly simple so no need for fancy gizmo's and gadgets.
no trading and bartering as I do not trust other people and I do mean everybody.
I agree with liking dogs over most people. At least dogs will let you know how they honestly feel about you. On the other hand, grouping together after shtf will be the only way to survive. Getting the flu, an injury, or even just going to sleep puts you in a vulnerable posistion.
I think it was the movie Lancelot where Richard gere said something to the effect of why have a home and things for the war lords to take when they come. That makes me think that camouflage is a good idea. I like the idea of a plain and sparse homestead, with a filled larder hidden underneath.
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I don't like groups even the best people can become undependable,there will always come a point when friend becomes foe,,,,,,,,I guess if you feel you need a group to survive you will have to have eyes in the back of your head and sleep with one eye open,,,I hope no one has to test that theory
I think it all depends on where one is located, survival in a city is probably only possible with a group whereas in a rural area going solo is doable( being in a low population location even BEFORE SHTF is always a good start!) , being as far away as its possible to get from large urban centres in an area most people consider "the middle of nowhere" then you are probably better off alone, maybe with a good dog or three!!
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My group is family and friends (close friends, for years). They know where to come if things go down. It's not just about survival, it's about quality of life. With a small group, we would live fairly well even after the shtf.... Sure, there will be challenges, but I think we'd manage OK.
yes same here.
maybe, but the more people there are the easier they are to spot, more people make more noise, make bigger tracks, and are more noticeable. you don't necessarily need people to guard, there are other ways of being warned, no.1 would be a good dog or dogs-they have better hearing and smell than any human.
