Stop The Bleeding

[Clyde]

Here is a product that I feel no first aid kit should be with out! It is called Quick Clot! I found 25 g and 50 g packages. The 25 g. package costs $10.99 and the 50 g is $18.50.

The site is found is Sunflower Ammo.com

 

[Colt 1911]

I have been seeing a lot " FAK " With the quick clot, I think you are right, gotta have it. Nice site, the blister medic with the pre cut moleskin, I usually don't get blisters from my boots, but we take a lot of people rock climbing and i cant tell you how much moleskin i have been through. On that subject i cant believe how much people are unprepared to go out in the woods or anywhere for that matter. Most bring a cliff bar a pint of water and a cell phone. Well that pint is gone in the first half hour, then goes the cliff bar now they are thirsty. We have not even reached the rock yet. I had one guy show up in flip flops WTH !! This is after we tell them what to bring. Some people have no business being out of the city.

 

[Clyde]

I have been seeing a lot " FAK " With the quick clot, I think you are right, gotta have it. Nice site, the blister medic with the pre cut moleskin, I usually don't get blisters from my boots, but we take a lot of people rock climbing and i cant tell you how much moleskin i have been through. On that subject i cant believe how much people are unprepared to go out in the woods or anywhere for that matter. Most bring a cliff bar a pint of water and a cell phone. Well that pint is gone in the first half hour, then goes the cliff bar now they are thirsty. We have not even reached the rock yet. I had one guy show up in flip flops WTH !! This is after we tell them what to bring. Some people have no business being out of the city.

I agree. those we usually see on the news... you know the hiker who hasn't been seen for 3 days.
I don't do rock or mountain climbing. You won't see me climbing El Capitan or Half Dome.

 

[Colt 1911]

I agree. those we usually see on the news... you know the hiker who hasn't been seen for 3 days.
I don't do rock or mountain climbing. You won't see me climbing El Capitan or Half Dome.

One advantage is, we can climb places most people cant go. taking the high ground !!!

 

[Clyde]

One advantage is, we can climb places most people cant go. taking the high ground !!!

for me it is simple for 3 reasons
1. Don't like heights
2. Don't know how to climb
3. Don't like heights

 

[Colt 1911]

for me it is simple for 3 reasons
1. Don't like heights
2. Don't know how to climb
3. Don't like heights

Its not for everyone that is for sure, a lot of people lock up, panic, and break down

 

[medpackman]

quik clot is good and one should also carry celox in gauze along with granule form. the quik clot is primarily for arterial use. it is limited in size coverage for the bleeding as well. celox gauze and granules can be used on much larger wounds. my advice is carry all three products.

 

[Kenprep1979]

Here is a product that I feel no first aid kit should be with out! It is called Quick Clot! I found 25 g and 50 g packages. The 25 g. package costs $10.99 and the 50 g is $18.50.

The site is found is Sunflower Ammo.com

yea need to get me some of those for my kit! like that you got the sponges ! i heard that if you get the granules and you dont administer correctly you can cause more damage then good.

 

[Kenprep1979]

oh also i know 10 bucks isnt much but if you cannot afford it , cyanne pepper is a great clotting agent! amongst many other things. GOOGLE IT! lol

 

[Brent S]

One advantage is, we can climb places most people cant go. taking the high ground !!!

The biggest thing for me is ok, I climed up this treacherous cliff, now I have to get back down!

 

[Brent S]

quik clot is good and one should also carry celox in gauze along with granule form. the quik clot is primarily for arterial use. it is limited in size coverage for the bleeding as well. celox gauze and granules can be used on much larger wounds. my advice is carry all three products.

I worked on an ambulance after high school, and the rule was ABC, meaning airway, breathing and circulation. Sometimes just straightening their neck can help open the airway. (Be careful if there was trauma as a broken neck should not be moved). If they aren't breathing, start blowing! And then address any bleeding or restriction of the circulatory system. Stopping bleeding can be as simple as pressure applied at the site, and last resort being a tournekett. I strongly advise everyone serious about prepping either taking a course or at least reading a book on first responding. Sometimes you can keep someone alive by simple measures until they get more advanced help. I can't believe they don't teach stuff like this in high school.

 

[Brent S]

oh also i know 10 bucks isnt much but if you cannot afford it , cyanne pepper is a great clotting agent! amongst many other things. GOOGLE IT! lol

There's a new one! I'll add that to all the odd little facts in the back of my brain!

 

[realisticdude]

Apply pressure...........Apply pressure............Apply pressure........... Then , maybe ?..............Cauterize ?...............Nah , just a couple of well placed sutures .

 

[Colt 1911]

The biggest thing for me is ok, I climed up this treacherous cliff, now I have to get back down!

rappel !!

 

[Brent S]

Apply pressure...........Apply pressure............Apply pressure........... Then , maybe ?..............Cauterize ?...............Nah , just a couple of well placed sutures .

While in the army I was a 91delta, or surgical assistant. We use a bovie pen, which is a small electro cautery tool to burn the small bleeders. Anything bigger would use absorbable stitches. In an emergency most small bleeders will clot on their own, but anything spurting or flowing needs some help quickly.

 

[Brent S]

rappel !!

That kind of sounds fun! I saw a show once where this guy was 'hang dawging', he was climbing a vertical rock face with no safety gear whatsoever. I guess the adrenalin rush was important to him, but it amazes me how little some people value life.

 

[Colt 1911]

That kind of sounds fun! I saw a show once where this guy was 'hang dawging', he was climbing a vertical rock face with no safety gear whatsoever. I guess the adrenalin rush was important to him, but it amazes me how little some people value life.

Yeah no free climbing for me, we are way to safe for that.

 

[Gazrok]

climbing a vertical rock face with no safety gear whatsoever. I guess the adrenalin rush was important to him, but it amazes me how little some people value life

There's somethin' not right in the head with such folks...that's for sure.

 

[Brent S]

I've seen a lot of bad injuries in my lifetime, it's amazing how some people take life for granted.

 

[doc pops]

If you are using a clotting agent and the grid is up or down please send or attach the package to patients.
Apply pressuer, repete, pack, apply pressure, replete! If it is slow leak superficial it or scrape, a fast bleed dark red, bandage, pressure, elevation.
Spurting, a good bit to a lot of 4×4 or abd pads a lot of pressure, this may slow, and the 6" above an artery if it is severed don't always work!
Seams better to go as high on limb and put on the CAT. If you are using only a clotting agent you better have more than one pkg. 3-6 pigs, and if you have pack the hole, tear, cut, amputation with a clotting gauze, and build a bird nest then fill the nest with gauze and clotting agent.

Good luck, be safe, and God bless
Apply pressure................. replete............apply pressure...........

 

[Brent S]

A tournekett is the last resort and only for life saving times, as it can cause more damage. I did read something once where they used a tournekett for just a few minutes at a time while they got the bleeding under control. If there's lots of trauma and you can see an artery you can tie it off or even possibly cauterize it. I just hope I'm not the patient in this kind of case, because without modern medical care afterwards your odds from infection/and recovery later aren't great. I keep hearing that knowledge is one of the best preps anyone can do, and I can't stress enough to at least get some basic first aid training. Stay safe all.

 

[doc pops]

I agree that a TK is the last line of defence for bleeding. I also know that in surgery on a limb that a TK is pumped up and the trimmer starts. I was originally taught that the TK was the last line of defense. I also have with a lot of 18 series operator's, 18Ds, PJs, and ... and the theories have shifted a bit. The 68W still go the same route as the medics in the states or as the NREMTP practice. As far as tying an artery if it is fully severed be prepared to go on a fishing and cutting expedition, as I said in an earlier post an artery can withdraw over 6" making it hard to reach with out cutting and tracing the artery channel to find it, and you better be fast. As far as cauterization depending on the artery without a fire going a large one, or modern technology good luck. I have not seen any in whether sand box or in the back of an ambulance, pretty sure none of our fellow preppers have cauterization tool in there first aid kit. I know that the on and off again is not so good because once again most people have no sodium bicarbonate to go in there IV they may or may not have. So all of that bad stagnant blood is going to the heart now we are working on a patient with a bleeding?? and a MI. THE BEST PRACTISE IS , APPLY DIRECT PRESSURE, ELEVATION, PRESSURE POINTS , THEN A TK. As far as infection I got it and understand what you are saying. However if they bleed out, we have nothing to worry about except, body disposal.
During the civil war more people died from dysentery then infection even with the old SAW BONES. In the field now or later and depending on training, time in route to higher level of care, things will be not so good and there will be trial by fire for the medic or the person with the most medical training, first aid kit, or a pocket knife and the ware with all to do something.

Good luck, be safe, and God bless

 

[Dani]

oh also i know 10 bucks isnt much but if you cannot afford it , cyanne pepper is a great clotting agent! amongst many other things. GOOGLE IT! lol

I have also heard about using flour and cobwebs to help start the clotting process, but until we reach the point that I can bring myself or a loved one to a know how doctor, I will just continue to educate myself as much as possible on what may come because I know my knowledge is very limited. I will have to check into the cayenne pepper thing. . . I normally grow this in the garden since I use it often

 

[doc pops]

Danil54grl, all of the above have been used. Cayenne pepper when used externally is a vasoconstrictor, with the exception if you put it in a non scented or neutral scent lotion can be used for a rub for muscle aches and pains. The ladder was told to me by a neuro surgeon. If taken internally will cause vasodiolation, and is reported to be life saving in an MI/heart attic. Back to cayenne pepper as a clotting agent.
During the civil war surgeon's used it to stop veinous as well as artery bleeding after surgery. With better results than using the hot iron, also less infection were reported. I think I saw an arrival on a web site called Go Beyond Organic in the past. I can't say positively how it works but it does. Sugar also works by osmonic pressure, and helps in the clotting cascade. Some times I wish we could use it in the field. For some reason I don't see our medical director getting on board with this any time soon.

Good Luck, be safe, and God bless

 

[Brent S]

I agree that a TK is the last line of defence for bleeding. I also know that in surgery on a limb that a TK is pumped up and the trimmer starts. I was originally taught that the TK was the last line of defense. I also have with a lot of 18 series operator's, 18Ds, PJs, and ... and the theories have shifted a bit. The 68W still go the same route as the medics in the states or as the NREMTP practice. As far as tying an artery if it is fully severed be prepared to go on a fishing and cutting expedition, as I said in an earlier post an artery can withdraw over 6" making it hard to reach with out cutting and tracing the artery channel to find it, and you better be fast. As far as cauterization depending on the artery without a fire going a large one, or modern technology good luck. I have not seen any in whether sand box or in the back of an ambulance, pretty sure none of our fellow preppers have cauterization tool in there first aid kit. I know that the on and off again is not so good because once again most people have no sodium bicarbonate to go in there IV they may or may not have. So all of that bad stagnant blood is going to the heart now we are working on a patient with a bleeding?? and a MI. THE BEST PRACTISE IS , APPLY DIRECT PRESSURE, ELEVATION, PRESSURE POINTS , THEN A TK. As far as infection I got it and understand what you are saying. However if they bleed out, we have nothing to worry about except, body disposal.
During the civil war more people died from dysentery then infection even with the old SAW BONES. In the field now or later and depending on training, time in route to higher level of care, things will be not so good and there will be trial by fire for the medic or the person with the most medical training, first aid kit, or a pocket knife and the ware with all to do something.

Good luck, be safe, and God bless

Lots of really good info, and your right, there's usually not a fire around with a hot poker at the ready during an accident. As a surgical tech I would see the same surgeries over and over, so repeating them would be easy. The problem is that's where you need a dr. so you know it's time to do the c section or appendectomy. Also, as you pointed out, most people don't have a bovie pen or someone to ask to run out and get a special tool or suture. I'm really glad I have some training to be of help, but let's hope I never need to practice it in the woods! Good luck to you.

 

[doc pops]

Lots of really good info, and your right, there's usually not a fire around with a hot poker at the ready during an accident. As a surgical tech I would see the same surgeries over and over, so repeating them would be easy. The problem is that's where you need a dr. so you know it's time to do the c section or appendectomy. Also, as you pointed out, most people don't have a bovie pen or someone to ask to run out and get a special tool or suture. I'm really glad I have some training to be of help, but let's hope I never need to practice it in the woods! Good luck to you.

Amen!!

 

[Gazrok]

BTW, I use "Wonderdust" as my clot aid. We keep it for the horses anyhow, but it works fine for us humans too.

 

[doc pops]

That's funny you say that! I just picked up some at cattle men's today, for my K-9 bag.

 

[ARMY127]

I agree that a TK is the last line of defence for bleeding. I also know that in surgery on a limb that a TK is pumped up and the trimmer starts. I was originally taught that the TK was the last line of defense. I also have with a lot of 18 series operator's, 18Ds, PJs, and ... and the theories have shifted a bit. The 68W still go the same route as the medics in the states or as the NREMTP practice. As far as tying an artery if it is fully severed be prepared to go on a fishing and cutting expedition, as I said in an earlier post an artery can withdraw over 6" making it hard to reach with out cutting and tracing the artery channel to find it, and you better be fast. As far as cauterization depending on the artery without a fire going a large one, or modern technology good luck. I have not seen any in whether sand box or in the back of an ambulance, pretty sure none of our fellow preppers have cauterization tool in there first aid kit. I know that the on and off again is not so good because once again most people have no sodium bicarbonate to go in there IV they may or may not have. So all of that bad stagnant blood is going to the heart now we are working on a patient with a bleeding?? and a MI. THE BEST PRACTISE IS , APPLY DIRECT PRESSURE, ELEVATION, PRESSURE POINTS , THEN A TK. As far as infection I got it and understand what you are saying. However if they bleed out, we have nothing to worry about except, body disposal.
During the civil war more people died from dysentery then infection even with the old SAW BONES. In the field now or later and depending on training, time in route to higher level of care, things will be not so good and there will be trial by fire for the medic or the person with the most medical training, first aid kit, or a pocket knife and the ware with all to do something.

Good luck, be safe, and God bless

Doc, I definitely agree with everything you are saying here and as a Crew Chief on UH-60's (Blackhawks) we have to be Combat Lifesaver trained and carry our own Combat Lifesaver bag with us when we fly, as we could be called to pick up casualties if no Dust Off (Medivac) chopper is/was available. I was also EMT trained as part of being a Firefighter before the Army (served 15 years until wounded 2009 Iraq). I think as far as first aid is concerned if you want to be prepared and be able to help your family and others if needed please take as much first aid/medical training as possible and take refresher courses to keep your training level up. Also read as many books as you can.

 

[doc pops]

Doc, I definitely agree with everything you are saying here and as a Crew Chief on UH-60's (Blackhawks) we have to be Combat Lifesaver trained and carry our own Combat Lifesaver bag with us when we fly, as we could be called to pick up casualties if no Dust Off (Medivac) chopper is/was available. I was also EMT trained as part of being a Firefighter before the Army (served 15 years until wounded 2009 Iraq). I think as far as first aid is concerned if you want to be prepared and be able to help your family and others if needed please take as much first aid/medical training as possible and take refresher courses to keep your training level up. Also read as many books as you can.

Thanks Army127, I still play doc every third day, and on two side jobs PRN... Right now I have been going over to a family friend who's a veterinarian and watching and reviewing with him, I have only worked on my own animals since 97 when I retired from the Army. Also take a class per semester towards my RN. Would like to get in the air as a RN.

Good luck, be safe, and God bless!