I wanted to do an update but could not find the thread or I did not post it here on this forum. So here is a new posting. Here is some info on self defense that may help you with dealing with the after affects of a use of force.
After-action of a Self Defense Altercation
Check out this video from J.J. of Reality Survival, What he would do after a self defense shooting.
In the video he gives an example of what you should say to the police andI really like it. Instead of just lawyering up you give a small explanation and show that you will cooperate while lawyering up.
“I would like to speak to an attorney before I provide a written statement or answer any questions. But I want you to know that I am the victim of this crime and that I was afraid for my life. I felt that if I did not defend myself the criminal was going to kill me. I will fully cooperate with your investigation and I will sign the complaint against the criminal. But because the issue is so serious I would like to consult with an attorney before answering any aditional questions.”
He also gives some aditional advice that I thought was good and I added to it to further expand your actions that you should follow thru with.
As soon as you stopped the threat, kick the criminals weapon away from him and do not touch. You do not want your prints on it. When the scene is safe, make a brief video and pictures of the scene, do not speak while you are filming, your attorney may want to use your video in court. If there is a serious fact that should be pointed out then make a very quick secondary video. Holster your weapon when officers arrive to show you are not the threat. Show arriving officers any evidence on scene. Any casualties and if you received any wounds. Also point out any surveillance cameras in the area(some cameras are on a loop and if you do not remove the video it may get recorded over). Point out any witnesses that saw the incident happen. If anybody tries to leave before the police arrive ask them to stay. If they still insist on leaving then take a picture of them and/or their license plate number.
Forward text/email copies of your pictures and videos to another source that law enforcement cannot immediately seize like an email account that is not accessible from your phone for safe keeping your attorney would be a very good recipient. Keep your phone password protected and do not release your password until you speak to your attorney. Get the names of reporting officers, badge numbers and the report number of the incident for your attorney. Almost all attorneys do not want you to talk to the police period besides providing your name/drivers license.
Some where in the process after the scene is safe you will want to provide first aid to other victims and the criminal or get a bystander(s) to assist you in rendering aid. Becareful that evidence will not be disturbed or destroyed. When the criminal tries to sue you for shooting him or her it will look better that you provided aid after you defended yourself from being attacked. Keep your mouth shut except to your spouse or your attorney. There is no statue of limitations for murder.
Something to consider is that 911 will try to keep you on the line until the cops get there. Either do your quick video before you call or politely but firmly tell them you have to go and hang up on them.
Pocket sized statement, print off back to back. Laminate and put in your wallet/purse, vehicle, bedroom, near your most widely used exterior door. Basically put it where you will have access to it. Below is the statement and an abbreviated to do list. Familiarize yourself with the above to do list so you can better relate it to the abbreviated list.
I would like to speak to an attorney before
I provide a written statement or answer any
questions. But I want you to know that I am
the victim of this crime and that I was afraid
for my life. I felt that if I did not defend myself
the criminal was going to kill me. I will fully
cooperate with your investigation and I will sign
the complaint against the criminal. But because
the issue is so serious I would like to consult with
an attorney before answering any additional
questions.”
Stop the threat, kick the criminals weapon away
from him and do not touch. When scene is safe,
make a brief video and pictures of the scene
for your attorney. Forward email/text to 3rd party.
Render 1st Aid to assailant/victims. Show officers
evidence on scene. Any casualties and if you
received wounds. Point out any surveillance
cameras and any witnesses If witness leave take a
picture of them/plate number. Get names of
officers/badge# and the incident report number
for attorney. Watch your words and actions.
Watch for interrogation techniques Stand by
your decision to remain silent until you speak to
your attorney. You have a legal right to remain
silent, hold your ground, do it firmly but with
respect.
This could be used for any defense not just a firearm related incident.
You will have to copy and past to Word or whatever. You will have to adjust the size also. #10 font seemed pretty good.
Another alternative statement.
Try to video tape this statement and reactions.
1. I do not consent to searches.
2. I am not speaking to you or answering any questions and I want to speak to an attorney.
3. I do not agree to stay here with you for any reason. Are you detaining me or am I free to go?
The rest will be Michigan specific self defense information.
MICHIGAN SELF-DEFENSE ACT (EXCERPT) Act 309 of 2006
780.972 Use of deadly force by individual not engaged in commission of crime; conditions. Sec. 2. (1) An individual who has not or is not engaged in the commission of a crime at the time he or she uses deadly force may use deadly force against another individual anywhere he or she has the legal right to be with no duty to retreat if either of the following applies: (a) The individual honestly and reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the imminent death of or imminent great bodily harm to himself or herself or to another individual. (b) The individual honestly and reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the imminent sexual assault of himself or herself or of another individual. (2) An individual who has not or is not engaged in the commission of a crime at the time he or she uses force other than deadly force may use force other than deadly force against another individual anywhere he or she has the legal right to be with no duty to retreat if he or she honestly and reasonably believes that the use of that force is necessary to defend himself or herself or another individual from the imminent unlawful use of force by another individual.
https://www.michigancriminallawyer-blog.com/2012/04/the-right-to-act-in-self-defen.html
https://www.cyabdolaw.com/5th-amendment-right-to-remain-silent.html
History: 2006, Act 309, Eff. Oct. 1, 2006.
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(cn...eg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-780-972
What does your state law say? Please reference the actual law. Anything different or unique? Remember this thread is not to bash cops. It is for awareness and things for you to consider. Many will agree but some may appose. Either way if you want give your opinion and any facts.
I will attach a PDF of a statement for children because of a law in Colorado. I converted this post to a PDF and will attach that also. I have many, many books in the library on self defense both weapon and hand to hand combat. Some of it pressure points, searching techniques, handcuffing techniques, lie detection and reading body language. If anybody wants me to upload these files then I will. Question if you capture a criminal in your house and it would not be a legal kill would you know how to properly search and then restrain the criminal? Do you have a way to restrain the criminal? This could apply in SHTF and you just caught your neighbors kid and it would probably be bad public relations to kill the kid.
After-action of a Self Defense Altercation
Check out this video from J.J. of Reality Survival, What he would do after a self defense shooting.
In the video he gives an example of what you should say to the police andI really like it. Instead of just lawyering up you give a small explanation and show that you will cooperate while lawyering up.
“I would like to speak to an attorney before I provide a written statement or answer any questions. But I want you to know that I am the victim of this crime and that I was afraid for my life. I felt that if I did not defend myself the criminal was going to kill me. I will fully cooperate with your investigation and I will sign the complaint against the criminal. But because the issue is so serious I would like to consult with an attorney before answering any aditional questions.”
He also gives some aditional advice that I thought was good and I added to it to further expand your actions that you should follow thru with.
As soon as you stopped the threat, kick the criminals weapon away from him and do not touch. You do not want your prints on it. When the scene is safe, make a brief video and pictures of the scene, do not speak while you are filming, your attorney may want to use your video in court. If there is a serious fact that should be pointed out then make a very quick secondary video. Holster your weapon when officers arrive to show you are not the threat. Show arriving officers any evidence on scene. Any casualties and if you received any wounds. Also point out any surveillance cameras in the area(some cameras are on a loop and if you do not remove the video it may get recorded over). Point out any witnesses that saw the incident happen. If anybody tries to leave before the police arrive ask them to stay. If they still insist on leaving then take a picture of them and/or their license plate number.
Forward text/email copies of your pictures and videos to another source that law enforcement cannot immediately seize like an email account that is not accessible from your phone for safe keeping your attorney would be a very good recipient. Keep your phone password protected and do not release your password until you speak to your attorney. Get the names of reporting officers, badge numbers and the report number of the incident for your attorney. Almost all attorneys do not want you to talk to the police period besides providing your name/drivers license.
Some where in the process after the scene is safe you will want to provide first aid to other victims and the criminal or get a bystander(s) to assist you in rendering aid. Becareful that evidence will not be disturbed or destroyed. When the criminal tries to sue you for shooting him or her it will look better that you provided aid after you defended yourself from being attacked. Keep your mouth shut except to your spouse or your attorney. There is no statue of limitations for murder.
Something to consider is that 911 will try to keep you on the line until the cops get there. Either do your quick video before you call or politely but firmly tell them you have to go and hang up on them.
Pocket sized statement, print off back to back. Laminate and put in your wallet/purse, vehicle, bedroom, near your most widely used exterior door. Basically put it where you will have access to it. Below is the statement and an abbreviated to do list. Familiarize yourself with the above to do list so you can better relate it to the abbreviated list.
I would like to speak to an attorney before
I provide a written statement or answer any
questions. But I want you to know that I am
the victim of this crime and that I was afraid
for my life. I felt that if I did not defend myself
the criminal was going to kill me. I will fully
cooperate with your investigation and I will sign
the complaint against the criminal. But because
the issue is so serious I would like to consult with
an attorney before answering any additional
questions.”
Stop the threat, kick the criminals weapon away
from him and do not touch. When scene is safe,
make a brief video and pictures of the scene
for your attorney. Forward email/text to 3rd party.
Render 1st Aid to assailant/victims. Show officers
evidence on scene. Any casualties and if you
received wounds. Point out any surveillance
cameras and any witnesses If witness leave take a
picture of them/plate number. Get names of
officers/badge# and the incident report number
for attorney. Watch your words and actions.
Watch for interrogation techniques Stand by
your decision to remain silent until you speak to
your attorney. You have a legal right to remain
silent, hold your ground, do it firmly but with
respect.
This could be used for any defense not just a firearm related incident.
You will have to copy and past to Word or whatever. You will have to adjust the size also. #10 font seemed pretty good.
Another alternative statement.
Try to video tape this statement and reactions.
1. I do not consent to searches.
2. I am not speaking to you or answering any questions and I want to speak to an attorney.
3. I do not agree to stay here with you for any reason. Are you detaining me or am I free to go?
The rest will be Michigan specific self defense information.
MICHIGAN SELF-DEFENSE ACT (EXCERPT) Act 309 of 2006
780.972 Use of deadly force by individual not engaged in commission of crime; conditions. Sec. 2. (1) An individual who has not or is not engaged in the commission of a crime at the time he or she uses deadly force may use deadly force against another individual anywhere he or she has the legal right to be with no duty to retreat if either of the following applies: (a) The individual honestly and reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the imminent death of or imminent great bodily harm to himself or herself or to another individual. (b) The individual honestly and reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the imminent sexual assault of himself or herself or of another individual. (2) An individual who has not or is not engaged in the commission of a crime at the time he or she uses force other than deadly force may use force other than deadly force against another individual anywhere he or she has the legal right to be with no duty to retreat if he or she honestly and reasonably believes that the use of that force is necessary to defend himself or herself or another individual from the imminent unlawful use of force by another individual.
https://www.michigancriminallawyer-blog.com/2012/04/the-right-to-act-in-self-defen.html
https://www.cyabdolaw.com/5th-amendment-right-to-remain-silent.html
History: 2006, Act 309, Eff. Oct. 1, 2006.
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(cn...eg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-780-972
What does your state law say? Please reference the actual law. Anything different or unique? Remember this thread is not to bash cops. It is for awareness and things for you to consider. Many will agree but some may appose. Either way if you want give your opinion and any facts.
I will attach a PDF of a statement for children because of a law in Colorado. I converted this post to a PDF and will attach that also. I have many, many books in the library on self defense both weapon and hand to hand combat. Some of it pressure points, searching techniques, handcuffing techniques, lie detection and reading body language. If anybody wants me to upload these files then I will. Question if you capture a criminal in your house and it would not be a legal kill would you know how to properly search and then restrain the criminal? Do you have a way to restrain the criminal? This could apply in SHTF and you just caught your neighbors kid and it would probably be bad public relations to kill the kid.
