The Liberal Prepper

[DrPrepper1]

I found this article. I thought it was interesting on many levels (it's kind of long). Here are few things I found intriguing.


1https://qz.com/973095/the-new-doomsayers-taking-up-arms-and-preparing-for-catastrophe-american-liberals/

1. Liberal Doomsday Prepper (I had no idea)
2. Some liberals feel now that Trump is president, they don't trust the government ( I am not exactly liberal, but I don't and never have trusted the government).
3. The article says prepping in countries has a lot to do with how much people trust the government. Scandinavian countries trust the governments to take care of them, so there isn't too many preppers.
4.Liberals are buying guns (but they are against guns?)
5. They fear economic collapse.

I thought it was ironic that liberals don't trust the government now, they are buying guns (that they are against) and they are prepping and learning survival skills. Maybe we all have more thing in common than what what we give ourselves credit for.

 

[drt4lfe]

liberal preppers.....lmao.....liberals only trust those who speak of free stuff....

 

[TexasFreedom]

Liberal Prepper... no such thing. It's an oxymoron. See "Government Intelligence" and "pro-abortion fetuses".

A better term might be "confused liberals"? It is not a sustainable status because they are against themselves. How can they be anti-gun (because guns are evil) and own guns & ammo? How can they not trust gov't when their very being tells them that gov't is good and pure?

Either they will grow up & become a conservative, or they will go insane with self-conflict.

As a conservative prepper, at least I am consistent with myself.

As a side note, sometimes I even surprise myself with my plain statements. Yesterday I was talking with a couple of people and a woman said something about her husband needing to raise rabbits. I asked plainly, "Is it for the natural meat & health benefits or is it as a prepper?" She was shocked that I just asked straight up, and after a stutter or two, she said "well, mostly prepper." The third person in the conversation is a PO (parole officer), he didn't say a thing (not sure where he stands). But I get a feel for things and just jump right into the conversation. Once in a while someone will look at me funny & ask "what is a prepper?", but usually they just admit it with a smile knowing we're in it together.

 

[lonewolf]

"liberal prepper" isn't that a contradiction in terms?

 

[Mountain trapper]

I don't see where being prepared for a diaster is a liberal vs conservative thing. True, many liberals think that the government will take care of everything. But there are many people who consider themselves conservative who also think the government will be there to take care of their needs.

 

[DrHenley]

I don't see where being prepared for a diaster is a liberal vs conservative thing. True, many liberals think that the government will take care of everything. But there are many people who consider themselves conservative who also think the government will be there to take care of their needs.

Today's incarnation of big government "liberal" scoffs at the idea of rugged individualism (which is at the heart of prepper mentality). They believe in the collective. Like the Hildebeast's book It takes a Village.

 

[lonewolf]

wife's cousin is a councillor for a seaside town of 70,000.
cant even discuss SHTF with him because he dosent believe it will ever happen.

 

[SheilaT.]

Most local councils has an online emergency plan

https://new.devon.gov.uk/emergencies/

http://www3.northamptonshire.gov.uk...ommunity-have-an-emergency-plan-in-place.aspx

http://www.ruralyorkshire.org.uk/newsletter/book/emergency-plans

These are just a few of many of county council plans. Like most things, the information is there if you look

 

[Brent S]

I’ve said before here that I’m the token liberal on the sight, half jokingly. I think for each individual issue though, but lean more left than right on average. I agree that prepping shouldn’t be labeled as right or left, just as smart and a prudent thing to do. I also think that this devisive rift in our country is tearing it apart. Aren’t we all on the same side with wanting a better place for our kids to live in? The leaders we have behave like middle school boys on a playground, and our president has the temperament of an elementary school boy. With all the fighting they do it’s no wonder they can’t get anything real and constructive done. Case in point, Isn’t the govt out of money again this week? How can you think borrowing money is a good idea when you’re 20+ trillion in debt already? I would like to see everyone of the existing long term politicians fired and start over with a new group of intelligent people with a work together attitude.
That’s my rant for the day....

 

[DrHenley]

Brent, I really think you are more libertarian than liberal. Maybe an old definition of "liberal", but not today's big government statist liberal.

The political spectrum is not one dimensional. It can be thought of as two dimensional, but actually it's five dimensional as I will explain.

Here is a two dimensional representation of the political spectrum:

Radical and Reactionary are highly relative terms. Radicals seek to change the status quo, Reactionaries seek to either maintain the status quo, or return to a previous status quo. Right now in the U.S. the status quo was set by Obama, so Trump is a radical, and the Democrats are reactionaries. Quite a role reversal!

But then there is economics...

So a three dimensional representation would add another axis, with "Capitalist" at one end and "Socialist" at the other.

But there are yet two more dimensions:

Religious and Athiest
Nationalist and Globalist

What we now call "the left" is Globalist, Athiest, Socialist, Totalitarian, and surprisingly Reactionary.

Libertarians can be divided into two camps with one camp leaning towards Atheism and Anarchism, and the other leaning towards the middle of those spectrums (religious freedom and limited government)

 

[Brent S]

I still think putting yourself in one category is silly. With the connectivity of electronics today, I think we should be able to vote as a whole nation on issues individually. Just think, we could cut out the middle men, meaning most self serving politicians, and not get stuck with all their pork projects attached to a bill that people don’t actually want.

 

[Maverick]

I found this article. I thought it was interesting on many levels (it's kind of long). Here are few things I found intriguing.


1https://qz.com/973095/the-new-doomsayers-taking-up-arms-and-preparing-for-catastrophe-american-liberals/

1. Liberal Doomsday Prepper (I had no idea)
2. Some liberals feel now that Trump is president, they don't trust the government ( I am not exactly liberal, but I don't and never have trusted the government).
3. The article says prepping in countries has a lot to do with how much people trust the government. Scandinavian countries trust the governments to take care of them, so there isn't too many preppers.
4.Liberals are buying guns (but they are against guns?)
5. They fear economic collapse.

I thought it was ironic that liberals don't trust the government now, they are buying guns (that they are against) and they are prepping and learning survival skills. Maybe we all have more thing in common than what what we give ourselves credit for.

We have pro-gun liberals as well as anti-gun conservatives. Unfortunately modern liberals hijacked the term liberal from what was considered classical liberal, in today's politics classical liberal would be considered a libertarian. I'm more of a mixture of classical liberal and conservative yes, contradictory sometimes lol, my Wife more libertarian in beliefs but votes conservative... life's full of contradictions

 

[Brent S]

We have pro-gun liberals as well as anti-gun conservatives. Unfortunately modern liberals hijacked the term liberal from what was considered classical liberal, in today's politics classical liberal would be considered a libertarian. I'm more of a mixture of classical liberal and conservative yes, contradictory sometimes lol, my Wife more libertarian in beliefs but votes conservative... life's full of contradictions

I like being a contradiction!

 

[Skeeter]

I consider myself a liberal and a prepper tbh. My main reason for prepping are EMP attacks, then climate induced chaos including natural disasters and fallout from them.

 

[Squirtgunsquirter]

Bold. I approve.

If you ever want to do a long hike/camping trip in your area, let me know, I get up to Taylors Falls/ St Paul area on a regular basis.

I would totes hike with a liberal, if he was a cool human being.

 

[Brent S]

I think everyone is way too concerned with the whole liberal/conservative label. It just breeds hate and stupidity. How about look at each issue and use common sense.

 

[Mundame]

I found this article. I thought it was interesting on many levels (it's kind of long). Here are few things I found intriguing.


1https://qz.com/973095/the-new-doomsayers-taking-up-arms-and-preparing-for-catastrophe-american-liberals/

1. Liberal Doomsday Prepper (I had no idea)
2. Some liberals feel now that Trump is president, they don't trust the government ( I am not exactly liberal, but I don't and never have trusted the government).
3. The article says prepping in countries has a lot to do with how much people trust the government. Scandinavian countries trust the governments to take care of them, so there isn't too many preppers.
4.Liberals are buying guns (but they are against guns?)
5. They fear economic collapse.

I thought it was ironic that liberals don't trust the government now, they are buying guns (that they are against) and they are prepping and learning survival skills. Maybe we all have more thing in common than what what we give ourselves credit for.

Leftists (I don't say "liberal") may well prepare for emergencies, like hurricanes and tornados and such. You wouldn't think they would want to strike out from the collective and fend for themselves, but I notice that a lot of people are following the leaders (you're the leaders, of course). There is more recognition than there used to be that this urbanized society of takers is not sustainable in any serious emergency. And then there are all the hackers trying hard to disrupt our digital existences. I think we've overbuilt on the foundations, and this may be more and more clear to a lot of people, and they don't need to be rightwing to see that the society itself is not strong.

 

[Brent S]

Leftists (I don't say "liberal") may well prepare for emergencies, like hurricanes and tornados and such. You wouldn't think they would want to strike out from the collective and fend for themselves, but I notice that a lot of people are following the leaders (you're the leaders, of course). There is more recognition than there used to be that this urbanized society of takers is not sustainable in any serious emergency. And then there are all the hackers trying hard to disrupt our digital existences. I think we've overbuilt on the foundations, and this may be more and more clear to a lot of people, and they don't need to be rightwing to see that the society itself is not strong.

I agree that society is more fragile than most think. Just look at the dark ages after the fall of the Roman empire. I don’t see prepping as a right or left thing, just a common sense thing. There are lazy people on both sides that are looking for a handout, political association doesn’t have much to do with it.

 

[Gazrok]

I think we should be able to vote as a whole nation on issues individually.

The problem with this, is that CA and NY would then decide everything, based on population.

True democracy is a lamb and two wolves deciding what is for dinner.

That's why we have a Representative Republic, and an Electoral College.

 

[Skeeter]

To me the idea of prepping being a left/right thing is silly. A threat is a threat no matter what angle you look at it from!!!

 

[Kevin L]

Liberal? Conservative?

How about a healthy middle ground.

I'm very liberal about some things, and conservative in others.

I tend to be anti-union (although, in the spirit of honest disclosure, I have worked at a few union jobs), which is conservative.

I tend to want government out of big business, which is conservative. I'm pro second amendment, which is conservative. I support a powerful military, which is conservative. I support longer prison sentences for criminals, and I strongly support welfare reform...all of which is conservative.

However, I support legalization of marijuana, which is liberal. I support gay marriage, I consider myself a strong environmentalist who believes in protecting the planet, I support reproductive rights, I support early abortion, free access to birth control, and I'm a big believer in gender equality. I would also like to see better access to healthcare for everyone...if not socialized medicine, than some diluted form of it.

All of these principles are liberal.

This is why I vote for a candidate, not a party.

I got into prepping because I was a relief worker with the Red Cross in the aftermath of Hurricane Andrew, and I saw the consequences of blissful ignorance.

People devolved into animals in a very short time.

Before Andrew, I was anti-gun because of my upbringing. After Andrew, I became intensely pro-gun when my youthful fantasies of people coming together and helping each other were dashed by people looting and killing each other.

 

[DrPrepper1]

Liberal? Conservative?

How about a healthy middle ground.

I'm very liberal about some things, and conservative in others.

I tend to be anti-union (although, in the spirit of honest disclosure, I have worked at a few union jobs), which is conservative.

I tend to want government out of big business, which is conservative. I'm pro second amendment, which is conservative. I support a powerful military, which is conservative. I support longer prison sentences for criminals, and I strongly support welfare reform...all of which is conservative.

However, I support legalization of marijuana, which is liberal. I support gay marriage, I consider myself a strong environmentalist who believes in protecting the planet, I support reproductive rights, I support early abortion, free access to birth control, and I'm a big believer in gender equality. I would also like to see better access to healthcare for everyone...if not socialized medicine, than some diluted form of it.

All of these principles are liberal.

This is why I vote for a candidate, not a party.

I got into prepping because I was a relief worker with the Red Cross in the aftermath of Hurricane Andrew, and I saw the consequences of blissful ignorance.

People devolved into animals in a very short time.

Before Andrew, I was anti-gun because of my upbringing. After Andrew, I became intensely pro-gun when my youthful fantasies of people coming together and helping each other were dashed by people looting and killing each other.

I think if everyone experienced the reality of the aftermath of a hurricane, they would be pro gun.

 

[Mountain trapper]

I don't like labels. I guess most people would call me conservative. Maybe so. I do believe in our Constitution, and if it's not in the Constitution, we don't need it. I believe that those who work for a living should keep what they earn. There are other ways to raise revenue for a very limited government than taking it from the working person. I don't like "socialized" anything. I don't believe in tax payer funded welfare. I don't believe that we should be the world's police force or moral athority. I don't believe in government controlled education. I do believe that people should spend more time minding their own business. And I don't care how they do things in other countries.

 

[Squirtgunsquirter]

I'm pretty much the same. On tests, I come out center right.

I think parties are just a way to keep us divided.

And it works. Politics should stay in the Politics section, otherwise it just messes everything up.

And it would be difficult, I admit. Being a hardcore Progressive Liberal, and deciding Trump was the end of the world (all the Democrat leadership has been saying it for a year now) and wanting to prep, where do you go online? To a prepping site. But then you have to be able to NOT be an activist.

 

[DrHenley]

Who was it that said "A Conservative is just a Liberal who has been mugged" ?

But technically, wouldn't that be a "NeoCon" ?

 

[lonewolf]

just what is a "liberal" these days? all I see is p.c. snowflakes.

 

[DrHenley]

I just took an online test to see how liberal or conservative I was. It said I was "Mostly Liberal" LOL

But the questions were multiple choice with four possibilities, and the answers were obviously cooked up by someone who didn't understand conservatism. In other words, the "conservative" answer was more along the lines of a caricature of conservatism. I didn't think there was an answer many times that I completely agreed with.

 

[TexasFreedom]

free access to birth control

Kevin,

Let me take just a couple of things you said & check if you really mean it. Note that it's not just 'what' you believe, but how you get there. An example:

I'm a strong conservative, but I also believe in keeping a clean environment. How do we get there? I don't think my $3000 exhaust system that reduces fuel efficiency by 30% does that. But chinese cars without even a muffler billowing clouds into the air is a good idea either. When I produce 1% of the output compared to most of the world, throwing piles of money at it just in the US has no impact.

But let me get to your quote above. First you show your lack of understanding when you say "free". You mean "Taxpayer funded". Now let me explain where you draw the line. I am pro-life, very pro-life. You are requiring me to pay to kill babies. Yes, many forms of birth control are methods to kill a fetus. A fetus is a baby. Don't try arguing against this. You are saying that my stance is to be completely ignored and other people who will not take responsibility into their hands are more important than my believes. You are saying that responsible people should be forced to let irresponsible people do what they shouldn't without consequence. So this encapsulates this topic. Explain why my rights don't matter and other people should be allowed to violate me morally and financially?

Good luck. And don't try to explain where killing a baby so I don't have to support it later is a good idea. If killing lots of people so other people can live better is your answer, you really need to examine your premises.

 

[Maverick]

Problem today is we are allowing labels to define people, liberal and conservative isn’t even the same word today as it was yesterday. Our Founding Fathers are the true liberals!

 

[TexasFreedom]

Problem today is we are allowing labels to define people, liberal and conservative isn’t even the same word today as it was yesterday. Our Founding Fathers are the true liberals!

that is confusing... please explain.