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The Rebel Outlaw: Jose Wales was book by Forrest Carter, a new york times best selling author. Later the book appeared under the title "Gone to Texas" and was made into the movie starring Clint Eastwood.

The really twisted part that later melted minds in Hollywood and New York when his past became known after his death in 1979.… Forrest Carter was a pseudonym used by Asa Carter, who was the speech writer for George Wallace and responsible for most of Wallace's most notable/notorious speeches.

As a child growing up in Alabama in the 60's I was very aware of George Wallace. As often happens... life seems to be full of contradictions. At least to me, I saw contradictions everywhere...

Of note about George Wallace... I was often in the homes of black neighbors as a child. Almost all of them had a framed picture of George Wallace in their living room. I remember this well because even as a child I found this confusing and to this day I don't know why. I’d also heard of Asa Carter's violent side.

The following is a direct quote from an article on the PBS.org website... The entire article is actually interesting if you're a history buff like me, link below.

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George Wallace: Settin' the Woods on Fire | Article

George Wallace and His Circle

Asa Carter

Determined to "outnigger" the opposition in his 1962 bid for governor, George Wallace turned to the politics of race with a new fiery speechwriter, Asa Carter. Carter, a right-wing radio announcer and founder of his own Ku Klux Klan organization, was a man with a dark, troubling past. "He had a long history of violence, in fact, it’s not an exaggeration to call him something of a kind of psychopath," says Wallace biographer Dan Carter. Asa Carter had shot two men in a dispute over money just a few years before joining Wallace’s campaign, and his Klan group shared his volatile temperament. "In one eighteen-month period," recounts Dan Carter in his George Wallace biography, "his followers joined in the stoning of Autherine Lucy on the University of Alabama campus, assaulted black singer Nat King Cole on a Birmingham stage, beat Birmingham civil rights activist Fred Shuttlesworth and stabbed his wife, and, in what was billed as a warning to potential black ‘trouble-makers,’ castrated a randomly-chosen, slightly retarded black handyman."

Political observers noted a new punch in Wallace’s stump speeches during the ‘62 campaign, and Carter was credited for the change. "[Asa Carter] was this little quiet guy who always looked like he needed a shave," remembers Alabama journalist Wayne Greenhaw. "He was a hell of a writer. I mean, he knew how to put words together."

With Wallace’s victory in 1962, Carter was charged with writing a memorable inaugural speech and he leapt at the chance to make history. "He worked on that thing for two or three weeks," says Dan Carter, "holed up in a hotel room, as one of his friends said, chain-smoking one cigarette after another. And when he got through, he came to see George Wallace. He handed him the speech. And he took his finger and pointed to one line. And he said, 'Read it -- segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever -- that's the line people are gonna remember,' he said."...

...In a remarkable turnaround, Asa Carter remade his image in his later life, moving to Texas and becoming a writer under the pseudonym Forrest Carter. As Forrest Carter, he had a string of successes including "The Rebel Outlaw: Jose Wales" which became a Hollywood movie starring Clint Eastwood. He also penned the "New York Times" bestseller "The Education of Little Tree," a fictitious account of his childhood as a Native American orphan. Oddly, this "true story" became a favorite among the liberal-minded people he had despised throughout his life. Carter died in 1979 before his double identity reached national attention...

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/wallace-george-wallace-and-his-circle/
 
I know of the movie about the Outlaw Josie Wales, but had no idea that it was based on a real life character. I probably saw it decades ago, but have zero memory of it now. I will put it on my list of movies to watch. The book is probably better, but the movies would be a place for me to start.
 
@Spikedriver More like first class murderer!!! Asa Carter was walking contradiction, native american but had his own Klan chapter. It was a confusing time to be a kid. Klan people were town people. Rural people, and kids like me had black neighbors, had known families and swapped farm work for generations. But I knew never to mention it in school to town kids. Town kids were the worst!!!! Black and white!

I remember going to a summer 4H event at the county lake, I was maybe 7. Mostly rural kids, they had rod/reels and showed everyone how to cast. I'd only ever used cane poles up to then.They had skeet and .22 rifle shooting. I won with the .22, my neighbor and friend, a black kid took 2nd. He won the skeet shooting and I took second. He and I had a great day.

But a few weeks later when school started it all changed. Desegregation and busing started that fall. My friend and I couldn't sit together on the bus or be friends in school. Peer pressure on both of us from both sides and from adults... He and I couldn't even talk in passing, he'd have gotten beaten up by black kids and I'd have been beaten up by white kids... it was a confusing time.
 
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Odd, something that happened so long ago and I never realized until tonight….

The 4H event at the county lake that summer… the reason there were no city kids there. I never thought of it until now… It was because busing and desegregation was starting in a couple weeks.

It didn’t matter to rural people so only rural kids were there. It was the city people who were more aware and upset. Black or white, they didn’t let their kids attend.
 
I know of the movie about the Outlaw Josie Wales, but had no idea that it was based on a real life character. I probably saw it decades ago, but have zero memory of it now. I will put it on my list of movies to watch. The book is probably better, but the movies would be a place for me to start.
It is a fantastic movie. There's not much politics in it - the Civil War is just a backdrop for the story of a hard man who is out for revenge against a particular band of Union terrorists/soldiers for what they did to his family. The ironic twist is that he starts his journey alone, but his conscience won't let him pass by people who need help. Those he helps, stay with him and become his family, even though he doesn't like some of them.
 
@Spikedriver More like first class murderer!!! Asa Carter was walking contradiction, native american but had his own Klan chapter. It was a confusing time to be a kid. Klan people were town people. Rural people, and kids like me had black neighbors, had known families and swapped farm work for generations. But I knew never to mention it in school to town kids. Town kids were the worst!!!! Black and white!

I remember going to a summer 4H event at the county lake, I was maybe 7. Mostly rural kids, they had rod/reels and showed everyone how to cast. I'd only ever used cane poles up to then.They had skeet and .22 rifle shooting. I won with the .22, my neighbor and friend, a black kid took 2nd. He won the skeet shooting and I took second. He and I had a great day.

But a few weeks later when school started it all changed. Desegregation and busing started that fall. My friend and I couldn't sit together on the bus or be friends in school. Peer pressure on both of us from both sides and from adults... He and I couldn't even talk in passing, he'd have gotten beaten up by black kids and I'd have been beaten up by white kids... it was a confusing time.
The whole thing about all of that is something that I have never fully understood. I remember seeing Nat King Cole singing on television and being mesmerized. I was 9 years old before I saw a black person in person. Native Americans lived close to us.
 
"Jose" Wales, I thought this was a new version of the movie, depicting an immigrant underdog, out smarting ICE and the ATF in a deadly quest to find an off grid home before the bounty hunters got him. ;)
 
The whole thing about all of that is something that I have never fully understood.

60’s in the south wasn’t black or white. It certainly wasn’t the condensed made for tv version. It most definitely wasn’t the liberal ‘I hate america’ version espoused everywhere today. Life here was as complicated, had as many facets as there were people living it.

Trying to understand it today… throw away the history books and turn off the tv. Find yourself some old journals written by everyday people living it. Then you might gain some real insight into what life here was really like.

Might even gain some insight into people like Asa Carter.
 

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