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And this isn’t even a big bull. Dad and I always had big Charolais bulls, 22/2300lbs. My grtnephew says his Angus bull weighs 1600lbs. His bull doesn’t weigh a pound over 1500, closer to 1450lbs, I’ve a bit more experience with cows than he does.

Still, last night his bull broke out of the corral. He went through 2 tubular stock panels and a 6ft steel panel backed by barbed wire. Generally made a mess out of the corral…

This bull was feeding quietly at sundown. He wasn’t chased, threatened or other wise bothered. He just decided he wanted out of the corral.

Just thought I’d post this for folks new to cattle.

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Your grtnephew should recapture that bull then send it away to the meat works on a truck.

Apart from the obvious danger they pose, Psycho bulls produce psycho calves.

I have had a bad bull try to kill me. I have also had a cow intentionally move in between me and the bull to save me.

Just like any animal, cattle behavior can cover the full spectrum.

But if you do your job with selecting what to keep (for breeding stock) and what to send away to hamburger heaven, you can develop a good herd that are safe to handle.

The bull I have now likes being hand fed and having his fore head scratched.
 
Your grtnephew should recapture that bull then send it away to the meat works on a truck.

Apart from the obvious danger they pose, Psycho bulls produce psycho calves.

Amen to that... I've posted this before. As strange as it sounds I had a Charolais bull slowly lose it's mind over the course of a year. Put me in the hospital... My cousin came over with 6 other guys. Even partially tranquilized it took 7 men and a tractor to get that bull in a trailer. I still have my hospital wrist band in one pic.


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Do not underestimate their raw power if they get a bad attitude.
I watched one just like this basically total a veterinarian's pickup truck because he was pist.
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See those brands on him? He still ain't happy about that:waiting:.
Those will kill you just as soon as look at you.
Get some of these instead:
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When I was a kid , I could outrun the bull we had.
Good thing because he didn't like me , I used to shoot him in the butt with my Red Ryder . Every time he was in close pasture he would come after me ,never chased dad.

It was a big white bull. Don't know what breed it was.
It just didn't like kids.

Jim
 
Do not underestimate their raw power if they get a bad attitude.
I watched one just like this basically total a veterinarian's pickup truck because he was pist.
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See those brands on him? He still ain't happy about that:waiting:.
Those will kill you just as soon as look at you.
Get some of these instead:
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Brahma bulls are born crazy, the cows aren't much better.
 
Sadly grtnephew can't take the bull to the sale barn. Last week he was leaving an farm estate sale somewhere in Kentucky and wrecked his big dually. Temporarily he's driving a dodge he bought at another auction. I'd be afraid to drive to town in that pickup, needs tons of work. I certainly wouldn't haul cattle with it.
 
We had a Chianina bull when I was growing up. He was a big gentle baby. He was a bit over 3,000lbs and would come right up to you for a treat and to get his ears scratch. We showed him in 4-H and he was better behaved than any steer there.
 
Sadly grtnephew can't take the bull to the sale barn. Last week he was leaving an farm estate sale somewhere in Kentucky and wrecked his big dually. Temporarily he's driving a dodge he bought at another auction. I'd be afraid to drive to town in that pickup, needs tons of work. I certainly wouldn't haul cattle with it.

There will be other farmers or even specialist stock transport contractors that would transport the bull out - when we have just one animal to move, we let the locals know and they haul it when they are doing a part load past our gate. The flat top trucks can be configured with internal gates to keep a scary single animal separate from the other stock.

Either that or just shoot it and cut it up where it is........bull meat makes fine dog food and the Germans make them into spicy sausages.
 
That's why we had Simmentals. Most of them are like puppies. We did have a black Simmentals bull that would transform into the devil when he was surrounded by his ladies. In his own pen, you were only in danger if you stopped petting him. He'd lean on you or herd you into a corner so you couldn't get away and you'd have to pet him more. But with the ladies, he'd circle the herd and snort and challenge you as soon as you crossed the fence.

We had an old Simmental/Red Angus cow once that was nuts too. We had the vet out to do preg checks and she was in the head gate. The vet was shoulder deep in her back end and she blew sky high, destroyed the head gate, knocked the chute down and went out through the south wall of the barn. The vet picked himself up and said, I hope she's not pregnant, cuz I don't want to have to deal with her calves. She went so crazy that she knocked a gate made of bolted 2x4s off its hinges just to get out of the lot...

The next time we sold calves, she was on the truck too...
 
That's why we had Simmentals. Most of them are like puppies. We did have a black Simmentals bull that would transform into the devil when he was surrounded by his ladies. In his own pen, you were only in danger if you stopped petting him. He'd lean on you or herd you into a corner so you couldn't get away and you'd have to pet him more. But with the ladies, he'd circle the herd and snort and challenge you as soon as you crossed the fence.

We had an old Simmental/Red Angus cow once that was nuts too. We had the vet out to do preg checks and she was in the head gate. The vet was shoulder deep in her back end and she blew sky high, destroyed the head gate, knocked the chute down and went out through the south wall of the barn. The vet picked himself up and said, I hope she's not pregnant, cuz I don't want to have to deal with her calves. She went so crazy that she knocked a gate made of bolted 2x4s off its hinges just to get out of the lot...

The next time we sold calves, she was on the truck too...

Yep - we have Simmys too - they are generally very good.

They handle steep hills well and are very efficient at turning grass into meat.

We also have a (homogenious) Black Sim Bull - so we get black calves from brown/red and white cows.
 
We raised Short Horn Durhams, a beefy all red cow. Uncle raised Herfords. We had one caw that didn't like to be loaded, but otherwise never had any trouble out of her. I even milked her some. My parents couldn't believe it. We never really had any trouble keeping them up as long as we maintained the fencing like we needed to. Dad got a black angus heifer once. She ended up kicking the side of the barn out. She did make a lot of good meat.
 
.bull meat makes fine dog food and the Germans make them into spicy sausages.
Around here a lot of the Hispanics do not castrate their animals.
My neighbor told me they like the bull meat better. The same with their goats.
As a side note, very little of the butchered animal is not used. The neighbor had 2 bulls slaughtered and they kept everything except the stomach and intestines.
I asked him what they did with the lungs and he said his Grandma cooked them but he didn't know what it was called.
 
Around here a lot of the Hispanics do not castrate their animals.
My neighbor told me they like the bull meat better. The same with their goats.
As a side note, very little of the butchered animal is not used. The neighbor had 2 bulls slaughtered and they kept everything except the stomach and intestines.
I asked him what they did with the lungs and he said his Grandma cooked them but he didn't know what it was called.
One of my old hunting buddies was a meat cutter for years. He says that they would just grind the bulls when they butchered them. Most were old bulls that had reached the end of their useful life and they'd blend the bull meat in with the regular ground beef. He says no one can tell the difference.
 
One of my old hunting buddies was a meat cutter for years. He says that they would just grind the bulls when they butchered them. Most were old bulls that had reached the end of their useful life and they'd blend the bull meat in with the regular ground beef. He says no one can tell the difference.

No wonder they don't like us,lol.Only had 2 experiances with bulls, both bad.One came out of nowwhere in a pasture I was visiting. He almost got me I could actually feel his snorting as I dove over the fence. Found out they are like donkeys ,they can stop on a dime.The other was a giant red bull in the middle of the road and wanted to fight with the red pickup truck I was in. I can't believe how afraid I was.Not sure the color of truck had anything to do with it though.
 
The carnage continues… This morning the bull walked through a gate. At least he didn’t destroy it. He just pushed it all aside. The gate post was propped up from when the boy hit it with a trailer 4 months ago and didn’t fix it.

Now I’m angry, this morning my 87yr old dad went out in the yard in his Easter clothes and tried to put that bull back in the pasture. He managed to fall down and mess up his clothes, wasn’t hurt but was real upset. He shouldn’t be doing anything of the sort. He still uses a wheel chair in the house. For outside we got him a little riding mower without the deck. It has a little trailer so he can go to the garden or go get the mail.

Leasing the farm to his great grandson is between them, I haven’t said a single word or been critical despite wanting to. For the most part I’ve stayed out of it, bit my tongue… til now.

This morning I learned the reason there has been a rash of cows out of the pastures. That boy stopped feeding hay the last week of February. Insane! There is no grass for the cows to eat, it’s turned green but hasn’t put up yet. The cows are starving… Does he have hay? Yes! He’s got 80 rolls of hay in a field up the road, it just hasn’t been convenient for him to load the hay and bring it down here! Convenient? grumble@#$grumble...

This morning he told me he’s been too busy going to farm auctions and then wrecked his 1 ton up in Kentucky last week. What does he mean busy?????? If cows are hungry you stop what you’re doing and feed them!!!!! Busy my backside!!!!!! If he’s too busy to see after them he needs to load those cows and take them to the sale barn!

The pic of the bull is bad but those of you who know cows can still see how skinny that bull is. Cattle looking rough after winter is to be expected but not like this. I tried to talk to that boy while I helped him put the bull back in the pasture. He actually tried to tell me the green grass outside the fence is the reason the cows are out every day. He said “they did the same thing last year”. He thinks this is normal!!! If this were normal every cow for 50 miles would have been out since January. When I tried to bring this up he said “Mr X’s cows are out all the time”. Of course they are, Mr. X feeds his cows scrap hay that should have been sold to landscaping companies. But! He ignores the fact no one’s but his and Mr. X’s cows are out!

A cow might stick her head through a fence for a nibble or two this time of year but if they are well fed they won’t be getting out!

I wasn’t around to see what happened with the cows last year, dad spent 25 days in the ICU, a few more weeks in the hospital then I had to move him to a nursing home for 6 weeks before I could finally bring him home. I missed 3+ months of what was happening here.

This kid does great buying and selling farm equipment, he’s really good at it. At age 18 I saw him purchase an entire auction before it started, paid $60K in cash, money he’d already earned. As a cattleman he’s a disaster!

Sorry for the rant, folks. Better I blow off a little steam here than at that boy.

Added… last pic of some of his cows Labor day of last year, look at the black cow with the white face… skin and bones. I could see the ribs on all of them. I was embarrassed to post most of the pics I took. They should be fat and happy by the end of summer but he was trying to graze too many cows on too little grass. They went into winter in poor condition then he fed them garbage hay, pitiful… Worst of all he won’t listen, dad has given him great advice on how to produce beef, shame he’s taken none of it to heart.

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@Peanut that kid needs a lesson in farm economics. Send those cows into the winter fat *and keep them that way*!!! It is cheaper (requires less feed) to keep weight on the cow, than to try and put weight on them after they're skinny. And all the production - meat, milk, gains - it all benefits from animals that are in optimal condition...

Overgrazing destroys the production of pasture ground, sometimes for years. Weeds can take over. I remember this well from the drought of '88 in our own pastures. Luckily for us, it was mostly low, wetter ground and recovered well.

And if he has hay readily available, yet he doesn't feed it, he might expect a visit from Animal Welfare. In fact, an anonymous "tip" to them might get his butt in gear to properly care for those animals. I almost can't fathom this kind of "cow sense" from someone who intends to make a profit from cattle...
 
A couple weeks ago there was a farm 10 miles from me that wasn't feeding 17 horses and they were starving.
Somebody (neighbor) reported it.
The county sheriff or humane society ,dunno who, fined them and removed all of them and placed them in good homes.
It was in the evening news.
How embarrassing.


Maybe that will happen to your nephew.

Jim
 
Oh man that makes me furious Peanut. No excuse for that. If he's that busy he needs to get out of cattle.
Or...if he's raising cattle, he can never be "that busy". That's why I never had interest in being a stockman. You're married to the critters, just as much as you are to your spouse. And if you can't be with the animals, you pay someone to handle things until you can be there again.
 
@Peanut that kid needs a lesson in farm economics. Send those cows into the winter fat *and keep them that way*!!! It is cheaper (requires less feed) to keep weight on the cow, than to try and put weight on them after they're skinny. And all the production - meat, milk, gains - it all benefits from animals that are in optimal condition...

Overgrazing destroys the production of pasture ground, sometimes for years.

I almost can't fathom this kind of "cow sense" from someone who intends to make a profit from cattle...

Amen! You are exactly right... Dad gave him great advice almost daily when this started. Situation after situation dad was there giving him options, the things that work and the things that don't. The boy chose to ignore all of it. The biggest mistake was the number of cows per acre this farm will support, 40 brood cows at the most. We always ran about 30+, leeway for dry years. Before the first year was over the boy had 80 head up here and it's turned into a disaster as expected.

Below is an example of the work he does. I mentioned above he hit this gate post with a trailer 4 months ago. Instead of repairing it he just propped up the post. We had to pick up the other end of the gate and carry it out of the way to open it.

There are 3 gate posts here that I bought some time ago. They are 6in in diameter and there is 2 bags of quickcrete in the shop, there are a couple of 6ft tall horse panels in one of the barns. Last week I bought a roll of barbwire and some T-posts. All this was available for him to use and it would have taken less than 30min. Did he repair the gate? See for yourself. He tied 3 gates together with a few pieces of wire. He didn’t even bother to tighten the barbwire attached to the loading chute (dog).

I’m all out of patience at this point. I want the kid to succeed but I don't see him doing any thing to make that happen. Instead he just adds mistakes to the previous ones.

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@Peanut I too have been guilty of skimping/neglecting fences. My pops was great at stretching his feed supply by any means possible. But his cows were always fed! However he didn't set great example when it comes to fences. He was always convinced that electric wires would save the day. Of course I thought so too when I was young and I spent a lot of hours with a weed eater or a machete, chopping weeds away from those wires. What I didn't realize then, was that electric fence was supplementary to good posts and tight wires on the outer fence. When I was 18 my eyes were opened when I hired out to another farmer to rebuild his fences. Precisely measured. Every 3rd post was treated wood with two steel posts in between. 60 inch woven wire with a single barb wire 3 inches off the top. And the gates were bull gates on heavy posts. And then electric wire on standoff insulators at the top of the woven wire.

After I left home, dad's fences caught up with him. I wasn't there to help maintain fences any more. I thought he got out of cattle in 94 due to beef prices and the floods of 93 causing a hay shortage. Nope. Years later I found out that one of his cows got out and one of his good friends hit it on the road with his car. The insurance company investigated and said fix the fences or we won't cover your farm anymore. And that was that.

Perhaps you could share that story with the kid. I bet he understands liability insurance...
 

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