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I'm watching the news and they just mentioned the North Korea thing but haven't mentioned the Trump and porn star thing.
 
Robin,
This is going to get interesting. Don't be surprised if Trump walks away from the table to get a better deal. But he sure is negotiating from a position of strength.
 
Biggest news in a long time. Trump and Un to meet in person and the cable channels are talking about Stormy Daniels.

And they wonder why no one trusts them anymore.

Front page of CNN.com.
 
Actually, since Bill Clinton, we have been paying North Korea to not develop ballistic missiles and a nuke program, if I remember correctly. I'll have to look it up.
 
Many other Countries including the U.S. have been paying NK for many years to play nice, NK was counting on Hillary to get elected so it would be business as usual, Trump changed all that. Will Trump knuckle under from the pressure of all the Countries who keep paying NK ? or will he tow the current line ? I think the result will be somewhere in the middle....time will tell...
 
Many other Countries including the U.S. have been paying NK for many years to play nice, NK was counting on Hillary to get elected so it would be business as usual, Trump changed all that. Will Trump knuckle under from the pressure of all the Countries who keep paying NK ? or will he tow the current line ? I think the result will be somewhere in the middle....time will tell...

Right on the money. Personally, I don't think he's going to agree to jack (Trump)....because NK has proven time and time again what they think of such agreements....i.e. slightly akin to toilet paper.

Anything they offer us is going to be smoke and mirrors, and I seriously hope Trump knows this. I don't see any reason we need to even talk to them. They have nothing to offer but empty promises and lies, so what is the point? If he wants to starve his people and engage in an arms contest, so be it. Eventually, some China-friendly General will get together enough buddies to put an end to it...and that's that. Why get in the way of progress?
 
I think you are right about that,,,,,and it is not a good practice

It's a GREAT practice....if you are NK.

It's exactly what we've been doing....and exactly why we need to stop, because where has it gotten us? To a nuke free NK? Nope...so what was the point then?
 
500,000 tons of heavy fuel oil, per year, directly from the US, during the Clinton administration. By "executive treaty" or something, meaning congress had no say in the deal. Bush put a stop to it, and Pyong Yang restarted a Nuclear Reactor designed specifically to enrich uranium. Obama adopted the "strategic patience" policy, and had no talks with NK, while analysts predicted the bomb, and a ballistic missile, within a decade.

They got it done a little faster than that.

To the best of my knowledge they only have the one reactor, but the genie is out of the bottle at this point. If we bombed the reactor with a conventional warhead, it's a good bet Kim Jong whatever would drop a Nuke on South Korea.

IMO, the only solution is regime change, as much as I hate to say it. Even if Kim agreed to UN inspections, NK is a decent sized, rough terrain country. Plenty of places to stash one or two nukes, and still have that to hold over SK's head, while allowing inspections and getting sanctions lifted.

So either ignore it, and let the sanctions take their toll until there is maybe a civil war, or push hard to create one.

This is why I'm glad I'm not President. Pretty much no good options at this point.
 
I could hide a nuke in my bathroom and UN inspectors would not find it....UN is a pathetic joke on enforcing anything, I don't think they have ever enforced anything anywhere.....
 
So either ignore it, and let the sanctions take their toll until there is maybe a civil war, or push hard to create one.

Why choose just one?

Trump is mostly ignoring the nutjob, while allowing the sanctions to continue to starve the people causing unrest, and I'm sure the CIA is planting seeds of dissent among the people there. Hammer the rocket boy from all sides. And let China pay the bill! (ok, not sure how to work that part it, but it sounds great).

Drt4life, would that nuke go next to Hillary's server (which our own FBI/DoJ could not find), or would that be in another restroom?
 
the "leave them to it" option is really the only realistic one.

Nukes take money to maintain readiness.

And armies need to be paid and fed, to not overthrow you.

BOTH of these things will eventually go bye bye if we quit paying them blood money. While Obama basically publicly ignored him, he ALSO continued the tradition of paying them behind closed doors for phony promises. Money and food Un has used to remain in power.

Take it away, and regime change will follow. It's the inevitable consequence. You can't force it without angering China (and Russia)...and endangering SK and Japan, so not really an option to force it.
 
And let China pay the bill! (ok, not sure how to work that part it, but it sounds great).

Oh that's easy...you can bet some Chinese operatives have whispered into some of Un's generals' ears. Once conditions are ripe enough (i.e. army not getting a paycheck or meals, etc.), a coup is just a logical step. Imagine then, if that coup had the silent backing of China....for a China friendly general? Especially one who then agrees to halt all nuke programs, open up inspections to have those sanctions lifted.....
 
Why choose just one?

Because the modern CIA is so heavily penetrated, it can't effect a civil war without it's involvement being on the front page of every newspaper.

The beauty of it is, we don't HAVE to. We don't care if another "China friendly" regime is in place, as long as it isn't Un's family. So, we don't have to do it. We can leave that for the Chinese operatives to work out. ;)
 

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