We are @ 16 only one step to 17 (Only the fools are currently in denial).
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I'd say we are at 17, but we are in the middle of 16
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We already have weak fraudulent "leadership"---if you can even call it leadership. 
More like fraudulent criminal BS...
More like fraudulent criminal BS...
- Hard times make strong men.
- Strong men make good times.
- Good times make weak men.
- Weak men make hard times.
There is really no way out that I can see at this point (absent Divine intervention). No matter how bad you think things will get, you are underestimating what is coming. Avoid the crowds.
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Fourth Turning is here.
https://www.google.com/search?q=fou...icket-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
May be cyclical.
Ben
So, if it took a little over 240 years to get to this point, how many more years to hit bottom?
Cretainly not in my lifetime, or my kids, maybe my grandkids.
Cretainly not in my lifetime, or my kids, maybe my grandkids.
I am not sure where the 240 years came from. One "TURNING" is around 20 to 25 years. So a "FOURTH" turning in a cycle is around 80 to 100 years. Jf we are 16 years into the "FOURTH" turning, we are Four to Nine years from an event.
These are "general" averages, and a "cycle" can be as short as 45 to 60 years. One does not need "Fourth Turning Theory" to clearly see America is nearing a massive event.
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In the book The Fourth Turning Neil and Howe describe a roughly 80 year cycle where different generations affect society. In 240 years the US has been through 3 cycles of 80 years.
Revolution to civil war
Civil war to 2nd world war
2nd WW to now
The end and begining of each cycle is marked by war and social upheaval.
I may not live to see the next cycle but it may be good for my granddaughters.
The sooner the baby-boomers and aging hippies turn over power the sooner the next cycle starts.
Ben
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4 turnings per cycle. As I mentioned in my previous post, we are finishing cycle #3 and headed into the fourth cycle.
Ben
"The key aspect of their theory, the idea that every 80 years of American history has been marked by a crisis, or 'fourth turning', that destroyed an old order and created a new one".
At this point Catastrophic World Economic Depression or Catastrophic World War are my guesses. (Or maybe BOTH)
I don't buy into defeatist attitudes and cyclical prognostication... there are many variables in this modern equation, more than at ANY other time in the past, I reckon, with society being so complex (and complicated!) nowadays. Like Henry Makow says, the Internet is a weapon to be used against evil globalist swine, and the word is being spread as I key this reply. More and more people are becoming aware of the evils of globalization, and THAT is a good thing! I never rule out the possibility of entire military units "defecting" to the just cause once the SHTF, I know as a former Infantry soldier I'd never wanna fire upon American citizens... wetbacks and other foreign leeches, no problem, same goes for leftist libtards & Alphabet Soup queers, but NOT Conservative Whitey. Then there's the whole notion of folks better understanding the criminal machinations of these dirty globalist swine, their bought-&-sold scumbag politicians & corrupt judges, their leftist academic institutions, their BS bought-&-sold media, the whole nine yards... the Internet can be a wonderful thing in that regard.
Go ahead with your gloom & doom scenarios, just know that SOME citizens don't buy into the defeatist BS. Moi, I'll go out in a hail of bullets if that's where life leads me... at least I won't be bitching & whining about how nothing can be done, lol. Age is no barrier to squeezing a trigger, AYE? And I had Lasik done in both eyes, so I now see like a hawk, which only means my firing will be more accurate. Y'all wanna push the doom & gloom scenarios, go ahead, I'll be pushing the revolutionary angle and making suggestions like taking firearms training (for those younger folks who never served in the military). I damned sure AIN'T gonna buy into any Mayan Calendar BS, or any OTHER brand of defeatist BS... I said it before and I'll say it again, if these dirty globalist swine and their traitorous tools actually HAD the power to do what y'all say, they would've ALREADY DONE IT. Sure, the scumbags are workin' on global conquest, but they aren't there YET, and who can foretell with any REAL accuracy what or what might NOT happen? Just sayin'... I'm done here, lol.
Go ahead with your gloom & doom scenarios, just know that SOME citizens don't buy into the defeatist BS. Moi, I'll go out in a hail of bullets if that's where life leads me... at least I won't be bitching & whining about how nothing can be done, lol. Age is no barrier to squeezing a trigger, AYE? And I had Lasik done in both eyes, so I now see like a hawk, which only means my firing will be more accurate. Y'all wanna push the doom & gloom scenarios, go ahead, I'll be pushing the revolutionary angle and making suggestions like taking firearms training (for those younger folks who never served in the military). I damned sure AIN'T gonna buy into any Mayan Calendar BS, or any OTHER brand of defeatist BS... I said it before and I'll say it again, if these dirty globalist swine and their traitorous tools actually HAD the power to do what y'all say, they would've ALREADY DONE IT. Sure, the scumbags are workin' on global conquest, but they aren't there YET, and who can foretell with any REAL accuracy what or what might NOT happen? Just sayin'... I'm done here, lol.
Yes. And if you were standing anywhere near the stock market people in 2008,I don't buy into defeatist attitudes and cyclical prognostication... there are many variables in this modern equation, more than at ANY other time in the past, I reckon, with society being so complex (and complicated!) nowadays. Like Henry Makow says, the Internet is a weapon to be used against evil globalist swine, and the word is being spread as I key this reply. More and more people are becoming aware of the evils of globalization, and THAT is a good thing! I never rule out the possibility of entire military units "defecting" to the just cause once the SHTF, I know as a former Infantry soldier I'd never wanna fire upon American citizens... wetbacks and other foreign leeches, no problem, same goes for leftist libtards & Alphabet Soup queers, but NOT Conservative Whitey. Then there's the whole notion of folks better understanding the criminal machinations of these dirty globalist swine, their bought-&-sold scumbag politicians & corrupt judges, their leftist academic institutions, their BS bought-&-sold media, the whole nine yards... the Internet can be a wonderful thing in that regard.
Go ahead with your gloom & doom scenarios, just know that SOME citizens don't buy into the defeatist BS. Moi, I'll go out in a hail of bullets if that's where life leads me... at least I won't be bitching & whining about how nothing can be done, lol. Age is no barrier to squeezing a trigger, AYE? And I had Lasik done in both eyes, so I now see like a hawk, which only means my firing will be more accurate. Y'all wanna push the doom & gloom scenarios, go ahead, I'll be pushing the revolutionary angle and making suggestions like taking firearms training (for those younger folks who never served in the military). I damned sure AIN'T gonna buy into any Mayan Calendar BS, or any OTHER brand of defeatist BS... I said it before and I'll say it again, if these dirty globalist swine and their traitorous tools actually HAD the power to do what y'all say, they would've ALREADY DONE IT. Sure, the scumbags are workin' on global conquest, but they aren't there YET, and who can foretell with any REAL accuracy what or what might NOT happen? Just sayin'... I'm done here, lol.
they could "prove" that it was the end of our country and civilization.
Yes, it was real. I watched.
Did we go thru a rough 8 years with Obummer? Yes. Did we emerge ok? Yes.
Did our civilization die? No.
Which 'turning' was that?
If we have another 4 years of JB, it will take us several years to recover.
Will we survive? Yes.
When we bought our house in 1982, our mortgage was 11.75% interest, after paying a significant number of points to bring it down to that. According to today's doomsayers, that kind of interest rate would have clearly been after the end of the world. But we're still here.
Just because someone says doom is approaching does not mean that it is. We may need to correct some things, but I'm not ready to bag it in yet. I'm sure stating this attitude just made some of the doomsayers here pee their pants. One in particular. But I don't really care. I will do what I can to take precautions and reasonably prepare for darker times. But we're not quite dead yet. I still smile and laugh and tell jokes. I see no need to center your life around impending doom, imagining a new disaster around every corner. Why sacrifice your entire existence worrying about something that you cannot change? People have been predicting the end of the world ever since the beginning of the world. Not a one of them has been right. I feel sorry for their followers.
Just because someone says doom is approaching does not mean that it is. We may need to correct some things, but I'm not ready to bag it in yet. I'm sure stating this attitude just made some of the doomsayers here pee their pants. One in particular. But I don't really care. I will do what I can to take precautions and reasonably prepare for darker times. But we're not quite dead yet. I still smile and laugh and tell jokes. I see no need to center your life around impending doom, imagining a new disaster around every corner. Why sacrifice your entire existence worrying about something that you cannot change? People have been predicting the end of the world ever since the beginning of the world. Not a one of them has been right. I feel sorry for their followers.
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My thoughts exactly, BUT... the other stuff going on will make that look like old news!
Since there is no timeline printed under the curve, a reasonable assumption would be that this is a curve representing the US. And since the US was founded in 1775, I went from there.
Dang, great graph.
Can't disagree.
Can't disagree.
Why give up and think it's something you can't change?
Had a interesting, once sided conversation with a zombie last night about this.
While she was chewing on the restraints and screaming, at one point just to pass the time, I ask her why she was like this at such a young age (she was just a teenager). And she regained a little humanity long enough to say that it didn't matter, the world was ending.
I told her that yeah, of course the world was ending, but that didn't mean it had to end for HER, She was exceptionally fast, vicious and oddly clever. Only ten mintues earlier she gave me the slip by diving through a bathroom window and hiding in a dog house I didn't think was big enough for a human to fit in, let alone a human and a dog (she pulled a dog in after her as a shield)
With the right mindset, she would be an incredible survivor. I wish I had 10 like her, (rational of course) on my homestead. The military could load her up and airdrop her in foreign countries as a bio-weapon. I'd like to see what she could do in Moscow for example.
She was only the second Zed to actually get a good bite one me in about six or seven years. Luckily I had my Kevlar sleeves on so just a bruise this time.
She went back to chewing and foaming etc after that, but If there was one thing I wish I could get through to the general public, its that the end of the world is only a problem if you aren't prepared for it.
This is a problem especially among gen Z, a lot of them have decided they are going to be the last generation, that there is no hope or purpose for them and they are just going to die before they actually grow up and they seem to respond by just being souless, hollows that just hid in a room and play video games....or feral, half rabid animals.
Just because its all coming apart, it doesn't have to be YOUR doom. The world is ALWAYS ending for someone. SHTF is happening somewhere, everyday. This a good thing! A world that didn't end, would be hell.
That is a thoughtful perspective.
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Say WHAT???? Was it a fast zombie or slow on?
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I have stopped worrying about TEOTWAWKI scenarios. Nobody ever seems to be able to predict anything that's coming correctly. So we have no idea what is coming. The only thing we all can be very sure of is we are going to die, our kids are going to die, our grandkids too, and our pets also. We just don't know exactly how or when and ultimately in the great scheme of things it probably doesn't matter. I am not sure I really care if I die at 60 or 70 or 80, the end result is the same. Definitely not going to hide in a bunker with rations waiting for the apocalypse
The "can't change" part is about doomsayers predicting a new end of the world scenario so frequently. No, you can't change that. And you can't change what they are predicting (because it will probably never happen). Nor can you prepare enough to survive all the disasters they are predicting these days. Just in this mornings paper, a new disaster that is going to end life as we know it was proposed. The aquifers under the United Sates reportedly don't have as much water in them as they did in 1940. The cause, as stated in the first paragraphs of the article, was predictably climate change. Although climate change was never mentioned again in the three page article that I noticed (and I skimmed the entire article, searching for a second reference). Never mind that though - we're all going to die! That's the important part we should all be focusing on and acting on post haste.
I have no problem with people structuring their whole life around worrying about this stuff. I feel kind of sorry for them, but this is their choice of how to live. I am not in this group. Reasonable preps for things that actually may happen? - yep. Gnawing your fingers off in worry about things that have a very low probability of happening? - nope.
(@Aerindel - FWIW, I do not consider you one of the Chicken Littles. Sure, you are far better prepped for every conceivable scenario than I am, but you seem to have put significant thought into it. You're not one of the brainless fools screaming "disaster! disaster! time to worry! time to worry!" So understand that my comments above are not directed at you, despite me starting off this post by quoting something you said. That was just a lead-in.)
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If you're prepared, you're generally not worried. At least that's how I roll.
I don't know of anyone who has lived on this earth forever, so it's a given that we'll all die.
I don't know of anyone who has lived on this earth forever, so it's a given that we'll all die.
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People have been predicting doom and gloom and the end of times ever since JC walked the earth. We've gone through hard times in this country and we always survived. We will survive the upcoming hard times too. Might even come out stronger.
I've heard some people whining about the "high" interest rates to buy a house at 10 or 11%, big deal, I paid 18% one time. One benefit of higher interest rates is our savings and investments are paying better now too.
No doubt if we allow the democrats to steal another election, we'll be heading for some harder times. We survived 8 years of obumer, we'll survive another 4 years of the democrats. The good thing is, I don't think Joebama will make it that long.
I've heard some people whining about the "high" interest rates to buy a house at 10 or 11%, big deal, I paid 18% one time. One benefit of higher interest rates is our savings and investments are paying better now too.
No doubt if we allow the democrats to steal another election, we'll be heading for some harder times. We survived 8 years of obumer, we'll survive another 4 years of the democrats. The good thing is, I don't think Joebama will make it that long.
Fast for sure. I wish I could take video in the back of the ambulance. Believe it or not, in our day and age with a million cameras, the really 'good stuff' never makes it to youtube.
Indeed. Useless behavior.
But I would say doing nothing, because there is a low probability of it happening is also wrong. (I will also add, people are REALLY bad at threat assessment. Very few people actually look at threats and prepare on them based on actual threat and probability. Most people make very arbitary decisions on what things they are going to worry about, and what things they aren't, with no relation to either the severity of the threat, or the probability of it.
"Radioactive salmon, OMG I won't eat fish anymore"
"Forest fire? Not going to do anything to prepare for that, thats in god's hands"
Something like that.
I think its simple human nature. Being afraid and deciding there is nothing you can do about it requires no work. Being afraid of something and doing all the research to figure out if its actually worth being afraid of at all is work.
and figuring out how to actually work the problem so you don't have to worry so much about it, is even more work
For a given value of 'we'. is the thing.
Life will go on pretty much no matter what. The question is if life will go on for YOU.
Then who is this "Chicken Little" of which you refer......??? And more important, what is the standard by which you establish this....???
