We are going to look at property slightly South of Porthill, Idaho, kindly between Bonners Ferry Idaho and Porthill, roughly 400 miles from here. If Washington passes any gun control laws we are pulling up roots.
We are looking at Idaho
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I have thought about Idaho myself,
but
1- it is going to be cold there and I am not sure I am up to that
2-if I am not mistaken there a number of militant groups out there, being a sparsely populated area ,,,if the SHTF they will be on the prowl and a serious threat to my well being and probably the ruling class
so I struck it from my list
but
1- it is going to be cold there and I am not sure I am up to that
2-if I am not mistaken there a number of militant groups out there, being a sparsely populated area ,,,if the SHTF they will be on the prowl and a serious threat to my well being and probably the ruling class
so I struck it from my list
A lot of the groups up around them part I have little fear of, the people in these parts where I am at are a far bigger concern, natural resources are far to great for them hell bent on raiding parties unlike here plus up their practically everyone is armed and everyone knows it. Most people up in Idaho are far better established and settled unlike here. Yes the weather can get cold, the weather is about what it is at my current location so no shock factor
Washington is a superb place, it has everything one would need, unfortunately progressive liberals run the state and want the same laws as California. West of the Cascades in both Oregon and Washington today are known as California North, not a good thing.
Our decision to leave would strictly be based on principle.
I've thought about the 'redoubters movement' a good bit. The sparsely populated areas with sustainable wildlife and affordable land sound great, right up to about September. I know it's something you could get used to, but I really hate cold and snow. Here I chop wood for comfort, there you do it for survival. Purely on the survivalibility factor it would make sense, but on my comfort factor, I'm a wuss when it comes to the winter time.
Washington is a superb place, it has everything one would need, unfortunately progressive liberals run the state and want the same laws as California. West of the Cascades in both Oregon and Washington today are known as California North, not a good thing.
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Here in Ga I feel like it is a backwards state most of the time. Stupid stuff like medical cannibus laws being legal, but no way to get it, etc. one thing however, this state does beileve in guns. There's a gun show within 50 miles every weekend here. This place is conservative through and through. I think being too liberal or conservative is a bad thing. What ever happened to common sense and middle ground? I don't put myself in either catagory but try to look at each individual issue and think about what makes the most sense. For example, the keystone pipeline. Both sides are polarized for or against. The reservation they are going through is a headwaters for safe drinkable water and wildlife. Why the hell not just route the pipeline around that area. Sure it's not as straight a shot, and will cost some more, but then you avoid a lot of the conflict and get what you wanted anyway. I personally think the billion dollars would be better served perusing cleaner energy, but I also live in the real world and know the system is hungry and wants to keep going. There is supposed to be give and take in our system. The problem is both sides have grown so far apart they can't see what makes sense anymore. Just my 2 cents worth here....
Though clean energy comes at a price, when one digs deep it's not as clean or environmentally safe as it's being betrayed, up around glenwood Washington where the wind farms are at has pretty much destroyed some of the best grazing lands we have had plus the wildlife no longer roams the fields, it has killed a lot of eagles in them parts, the harmonic hums make it impossible to live near forcing residents to move.
The solar panels set up in the California desert are killing birds by the hundreds if not the thousands, it got so bad the FAA closed off the air space around it giving it was blinding pilots.
The electric cars require as much oil to produce as fossil burning cars, the batteries require mining for the components out of South America making a waste land out of some of the most pristine land thus making the land uninhabitable in and around the mines.
These are very small samples of so-called green energy, when one digs deep it's not so green. Though, that's not to say we shouldn't look for alternative energy, we should, but we need to be realistic. Oil drives life, from medications to solar panels to vinyl siding of the home to the fabrics we wear to even the inside of the refrigerator, practically everything we touch every synthetic cloth we have in our home is petroleum based. Without petroleum based products hospitals wouldn't be as advanced as they are.
My understanding is the pipeline doesn't run through the reservation at all, all of it is running through private and state land, I think where the confusion is coming from is that the reservation is trying to claim state land as their own that derives from a botched deal out of the late 19th century.
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I understand the dangers of pipelines. We had a gasoline pipeline in Alabama go out recently that affected gas supplies and prices in Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina and Virginia. I had to drive through the Shenandoah Valley on a trip to see my daughter in Alexandria Va, because gas stations along I-95 were out of gas or outrageously high.
That pipeline was not maintained and they should hold that company's feet to the fire!
But we still need pipelines.
That pipeline was not maintained and they should hold that company's feet to the fire!
But we still need pipelines.
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The area around Porthill that Mav is talking about has fairly mild winters, depending on elevation, and the summers don't get too hot. I lived for several years about 40 miles south east of there in the mountains near the Montana border. We'd get up to 30 feet of snow fall where we lived. Great hunting and fishing in the area too. And the people are good, honest and hard working. Most are Conservative too.
Actually the leaks were about 100 miles south of me. On the first leak, they knew and didn't talk about it until the state dept of environmental management found it as well. At least the second leak, near the first was fessed up to quickly. The first one almost made it to a river that supplies drinking water to a few smaller cities. That would've been bad....
*******s that ignored it should be dunked in the holding pond for the gas and then lit up....
Winters aren't bad, from the locals their and talking to a friend whom I may be purchasing the property from they may get about the same amount of snow as the low lands get around my current place here in Washington, it's a little bit further North in the pan-handle than I wanted but the price was right and not to far off the beaten path
Lots of water up around their and not far from good hunting grounds so all in all. We are planning on buying regardless of what Washington does just to have in the ready in case something arises here, we will put the property under a life estate deed. Right now we are putting our ducks in a row and creating an alternative, something I should have done years ago.
That's beautiful country mav, I have friends there. Lots of good people there. Hope you get it.
there's no doubt that 'green energy' isn't there yet. My take on it though is look at the model t compared to a modern car. It was a simple machine with lots of drawbacks like the water pump needing to be repacked all the time, and brakes that barely stopped the thing. Now, roughly 100yrs later, cars go over 300k miles routinely with every creature comfort known to man. My point is that if we don't persue it, then the needed advancements won't ever happen. I know we can't just stop all fossil fuels, but I think that a mandated percentage of what comes out of them should be put into R&D to make it viable in the not so far off future. We are polluting the air we breathe and water we drink, I don't think that's even debatable any more. If it goes unchecked for too long there will be a point where it is unrecoverable. Considering all the truly clean energy that is emitted from the sun and even in all the atoms around us, we should be perusing it. To not is just irresponsible.
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I tried to do alternative fuels research but was shut down due to lack of interest when oil prices went down in the 80's. Nobody would even talk to me about it. My thinking was that the oil glut wouldn't last forever, and that the sooner we got started on research, the better off we would be in the long run. Nobody cared...
Nigel Farage is now helping the campaign to split CA in two so that the real Americans can cut lose the liberal Socialist bits.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4350388/Nigel-Farage-s-Bad-Boys-Brexit-look-Calexit.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4350388/Nigel-Farage-s-Bad-Boys-Brexit-look-Calexit.html
Good luck Mav.
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Thanks Joe,
Though it's not a done deal, kids are going up next weekend to look over the property and meet up with a couple of neighbors least I'm not footing the entire cost and I'm still hoping Washington doesn't get these anti-gun measures through, though another problem is the taxes are out of control with the 2nd highest gas tax in the Nation and the 4th highest sales tax and they talking of raising the gas tax again. We are losing the incentives to stay in Washington at an accelerating pace. In the end it isn't just the gun control measures.
We have 39 counties in this State but only 3 counties (King, Snohomish and Pierce County) are forcing their liberal ideologue on the remaining 36 counties.
So far SB 5050 & HB 1134 have only been introduced to the committee and thats where it's at.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170113/alert-wa-state-proposes-draconian-gun-ban-bills
The biggest problem we have in the State, when the liberal introduced bills fails to make it out of the committee, the liberals put it on a ballot measure for the voters, the 3 counties I mentioned above have the advantage and always votes to put the supported ballot measure over the top, it's what they have done with the last gun control measure last year forcing private party sales to go through back ground checks even if it's family to family essentially hurting the gun shows and private transfers, law enforcement was against the measure and the FBI released a statement that the bill would be useless except burden law abiding gun owners. Bloomberg and Soros are backing the measures!
This Mr. Soros's name pops up everywhere even over here we are getting problems with his way if doing things. Hopefully the move will put you in a better position when it's over, like for us.
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