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elkhound

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i seen a person once say a hyrids seed wont produce..i about fell out of my chair...lol...theres F1 and F 2 and so on...crossbred is a hybrid but not a gmo..meaning it doesnt have some chemical weed killer genetics in it. heres a snippet from another forum i wrote...take whats useful toss rest...i could go on and tell you how because of trademarks and patents many varities are the same thing they just changed the name..the famous elliot coleman has talked about this in his many lectures.he even talked about something he renamed to get better sales...he changed name to somethig 'cutsey' and sells of it went off the charts...lol....people.

just a few old heirlooms that were hybrids that became stable hybrids and now people use the word heirloom....all you gotta do is breed a plant out till it stabilizes.


my old post...


have you ever heard the term 'stable hybrid'? thats what heirlooms are.they are hybrids that are stable and reproduce true to themselves.their are many in not all. case in point. rutger tomato .its a famous 'heirloom' well it was a hybrid developed by rutger university for campbells soup.it was tomato that made their tomato soup famous.

every heard of the old mortgage lifter tomato? its a stable hybrid...read..
85 days. Solanum lycopersicum. Open Pollinated. Plant produces heavy yields of 1 to 2 lb pink beefsteak tomatoes. They are very sweet, meaty, juicy, and flavorful. It has the rich tomato flavor. Perfect for salads, slicing, and sandwiches. This variety was developed in the 1930's by Mr. Byles of Logan, WV to help pay off his home mortgage. He was able to pay off his $6,000 mortgage in 6 years by selling the plants for $1 a piece. He crossed a German Johnson, a Beefsteak, and an Italian & English variety to come up with this unique variety. Excellent choice for home gardens. A family heirloom variety from Logan, West Virginia, USA. United States Department of Agriculture, PI 647467. Disease Resistant: V, F, N. Indeterminate.
 
I am still not sure GMO's are bad for you.
I have read a lot on the subject, it is like cilimate change, every one feels it is bad or good, but no one knows for sure & some are making money off of it.

the main reason to have an heirloom.open pollinated variety is to be able to save your own seed back generation after generation and get that strain to adapt to your very specific area. one generation starts that process.old timers often used tern landrace...i am in my mid 50's now and very few people around even know that term now..at least in the circles i walk in.i.e. i have a tomato i been growing and seed savings since about 1990...its very adapted to my area and specifically my gardens.

Landrace

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landrace
 
Thank you, Elkhound.

Folks who are interested in learning more about open-pollinated heirloom vegetables may also be interested in this book: Heirloom Vegetable Gardening: A Master Gardener's Guide to Planting, Seed Saving, and Cultural History by William Weaver. I bought the older edition a few years ago, but there's an updated edition out there...

This is the one that I have:

https://www.amazon.com/Heirloom-Vegetable-Gardening-Gardeners-Planting/dp/0805040250/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=Heirloom+Vegetable+Gardening:+A+Master+Gardener's+Guide+to+Planting,+Seed+Saving,+and+Cultural+History&qid=1572117424&sr=8-2
 
The only reason I won't use GMO seeds is that all following generations of seeds are the property of the original maker. It is like making copies of a book. It is illegal to do.
When they release the rights I would be happy to use them.
 

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