Wood stove vs EPA

[user 7704]

http://www.cabinlifeideas.com/epa-ban-wood-heat/

 

[Maverick]

Not entirely accurate, it's basically the same rule as 1988/1998 EPA, the 2015 rule tightens some things within the 1988 law, doesn't ban existing stoves it tightens the rule on new installs, If it's your only source of heat generally some of the rules don't apply, the law only affect new builds though state law can go further like in california, all stove testing for new built still uses 1988 testing procedures.

 

[Maverick]

Either way, much of the rules pertaining to wood burners is a costly joke!!

EPA's New Source Performance Standards (NSPS) for residential wood heaters fall under Section 111 of the Clean Air Act. The standards govern the manufacture and sale of new residential wood heating devices and do not apply to existing wood stoves and other wood heaters installed in peoples' homes.

https://www.epa.gov/residential-wood-heaters/regulatory-actions-residential-wood-heaters

 

[Mountain trapper]

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[Mountain trapper]

I recently installed a new EPA approved wood stove in my cabin. The first fire I built in this stove filled the cabin with smoke. It wouldn't draw and the fire wouldn't stay burning. I had to remove the stove and make modifications to it. First I had to replace the damper, then I cut out the tabs in the flue collar that prevented the damper from closing all the way. Also inside the stove there is a tray that prevents the smoke from going straight up the chimney. Also in this tray is a fiberglass blanket. I removed this blanket and cut the tray out, then I added a gasket to the door. Now the the stove works great. The only thing left to do is add a draft control to the door. Then I'll be able to close the stove completely down. This mod can wait for spring though. If I had the time I would have looked for a pre EPA stove. Typical nanny government meddling; take a product that works perfectly fine and force manufacturers to redesign it so it doesn't work anymore.

 

[Maverick]

The one I put out in the shop post-1988 had these insulated type bricks (not real bricks) with fire resistant insulation behind it, I ripped it all out and put in fire bricks now my sides heat better, the only reason I had to use the fire bricks on the sides is because the damn steel isn't as thick as the old ones pre-1988

Finding an old pre-88 stove is going to cost an arm, leg and possibly your tractor unless you have friends or friends of friends or someone that just cleaning out the barn or old house.

 

[Brent S]

Glad to read this. I recently decided to replace my wood stove and have been looking at reviews of them. Almost all new ones say they don’t draft well without leaving the door open. I can modify just about anything, but will consider looking for an older one on craigslist more now.

 

[Proud Prepper]

The EPA is another worthless government orginization. The concept is good, but its run by the government.

 

[user 6493]

find one on craigslist ,,,no paper trail and let the turds find you,,,,,we all know they are not going to go out and ride country roads looking for them

 

[Maverick]

find one on craigslist ,,,no paper trail and let the turds find you,,,,,we all know they are not going to go out and ride country roads looking for them

Both oregon and washington governments monitor craigslist to check if any of their citizens are selling uncertified older wood stoves (this is state big brother not the feds) One way I know they are being sold here is they are selling them as scrap iron or as a decorative piece so they may not be sold under wood stove I think most states don't forbid the resale this is a california north (aka oregon and washington) thing.

 

[user 6493]

Both oregon and washington governments monitor craigslist to check if any of their citizens are selling uncertified older wood stoves (this is state big brother not the feds) One way I know they are being sold here is they are selling them as scrap iron or as a decorative piece so they may not be sold under wood stove I think most states don't forbid the resale this is a california north (aka oregon and washington) thing.

they have this crap going on in Arkansas,buying a new stove is not an option,but this is a very rural state that does not have the funding to to police the rural ares of the state ,,,,,,the zoning at least where I am is UNRESTICTED MEANING I COULD BUILD A HOUSE WITHOUT THE STATE STICKING THEIR NOSE IN MY AFFAIRS,,,,NO PERMITS,,,,,,,,,

 

[Maverick]

they have this crap going on in Arkansas,buying a new stove is not an option,but this is a very rural state that does not have the funding to to police the rural ares of the state ,,,,,,the zoning at least where I am is UNRESTICTED MEANING I COULD BUILD A HOUSE WITHOUT THE STATE STICKING THEIR NOSE IN MY AFFAIRS,,,,NO PERMITS,,,,,,,,,

The Pacific Northwest sucks anymore. They fly over people property here to see if their are any new buildings or construction going on, this is state government doing all this not the police including monitoring craigslist :-/

 

[user 6493]

The Pacific Northwest sucks anymore. They fly over people property here to see if their are any new buildings or construction going on, this is state government doing all this not the police including monitoring craigslist :-/

TIME TO GET OUT

 

[user 7704]

Good gr

TIME TO GET OUT[/QUOTE

Good grief Charlie Brown

 

[Mountain trapper]

The Pacific Northwest sucks anymore. They fly over people property here to see if their are any new buildings or construction going on, this is state government doing all this not the police including monitoring craigslist :-/

I grew up in Oregon and loved it there. But I could see where the state was heading a long time ago, thanks to the invasion from California and the spoiled socialist I-want-everything-for-nothing crowd. I had to leave my home state almost 30 years ago. Best decision I ever made.

 

[Maverick]

I grew up in Oregon and loved it there. But I could see where the state was heading a long time ago, thanks to the invasion from California and the spoiled socialist I-want-everything-for-nothing crowd. I had to leave my home state almost 30 years ago. Best decision I ever made.

Last good Governor Oregon had was Tom McCall and that was a long time ago

 

[Mountain trapper]

Last good Governor Oregon had was Tom McCall and that was a long time ago

Yep. After Tom was about the time the state started going full socilist and became part of California.

 

[Brent S]

It’s getting bigger govt everywhere. Someone once told me, “privacy, there is no such thing, get over it”. I’m fine with rules that are for good reasons. I have a problem when they just use them to extort money from people.

 

[DrHenley]

If you want to understand how entrenched the Federal Bureaucracy has become, Virginia has turned blue almost entirely because of the number of federal employees in the Alexandria/Arlington/Pentagon City areas. My daughter has lived inside the Beltway in Alexandria and Arlington (she does not work for either the Federal Government or a government contractor BTW) It makes me sick to my stomach to visit her, seeing the many millions of leaches that just keep getting fatter and fatter by sucking the country's lifeblood.

 

[Mountain trapper]

The one I put out in the shop post-1988 had these insulated type bricks (not real bricks) with fire resistant insulation behind it, I ripped it all out and put in fire bricks now my sides heat better, the only reason I had to use the fire bricks on the sides is because the damn steel isn't as thick as the old ones pre-1988

Finding an old pre-88 stove is going to cost an arm, leg and possibly your tractor unless you have friends or friends of friends or someone that just cleaning out the barn or old house.

Back in the late '70's and '80's I was a foreman in a large welding/fabrication shop. Many of the employees, myself included, made wood stoves during our lunch breaks and after work. During a layoff one time I took a job at a wood stove manufacturer too. I didn't think about it until now, maybe I'll build my own wood stove for the house. F#$@ the EPA.

 

[Brent S]

Back in the late '70's and '80's I was a foreman in a large welding/fabrication shop. Many of the employees, myself included, made wood stoves during our lunch breaks and after work. During a layoff one time I took a job at a wood stove manufacturer too. I didn't think about it until now, maybe I'll build my own wood stove for the house. F#$@ the EPA.

it’s always good to be able to work with your hands and tools, weather to fabricate something or just modify and repair something. You never know when the luxury of just going to the store and buying things may not be so easily available.

 

[DrHenley]

Why do I get these visions of a thriving cottage industry for "bootleg wood stoves" that end up being less efficient and more dangerous than the old, well designed wood stoves? And follow no regulations whatsoever?

Do the morons in Washington EVER even think about "unintended consequences"????