20 million Africans heading for EU (They are so Fu........................)

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There's a book called "The Camp Of The Saints". It's a pretty good read about what is actually happening, now, with the third world flooding into Europe.
 
And that's one of the primary reasons why balkanization and civil war is a real possibility, between those who want more and those who don't.
 
EU has the African problem,,,,,,,,the USA has Mexicans,,,I am not sure who has the bigger problem

The latinos I read about go to the US to work, over here most Africans arrive demanding benefits, free housing, free medical care, free legal advice even free university places, AND many of them are Muslim and point blank refuse to integrate.
 
It's a shame Africa is such a terrible place for them that they can't stay there.

I'd be more welcoming of them here if only they were willing to learn the laws and the language. But they aren't, so I don't want them here. It's good to see Trump is finally doing something about it.
 
Our immigration problems stem more from this ridiculous idea that being born here grants citizenship, vs. the parents' citizenship like most other nations. That then entitles the kid to welfare (and by proxy, the family), while they work under the table and pay no income tax...wiring half of their money back to Mexico, vs. spending it here in the US.

Just take away that incentive, and you don't even NEED a wall. That money is better spent on the immigration court system, to determine who should really be allowed to stay (someone productive) vs. a criminal. But, since there really are no harsh penalties for it, many will be deported over and over again, as they keep coming back in.

Of course, we have other nationality immigration issues too. Those from many Asian nations pretty much do the same game. Instead of migrant work though, they pool together and start a business (restaurant, laundry, you name it), and then pay the family working there nothing, as it all goes towards the household. Even darker, sometimes people basically sell their labor to come here, and are basically slaves to the business owner.

All of that though, PALES in comparison to letting in folks who only want to see Americans dead...or who have no inclination to integrate, and demand we bow to THEIR ways. Sorry but Americans just can't comprehend this...and won't stand for it, frankly.
 
Our immigration problems stem more from this ridiculous idea that being born here grants citizenship, vs. the parents' citizenship like most other nations. That then entitles the kid to welfare (and by proxy, the family), while they work under the table and pay no income tax...wiring half of their money back to Mexico, vs. spending it here in the US.

Just take away that incentive, and you don't even NEED a wall. That money is better spent on the immigration court system, to determine who should really be allowed to stay (someone productive) vs. a criminal. But, since there really are no harsh penalties for it, many will be deported over and over again, as they keep coming back in.

Of course, we have other nationality immigration issues too. Those from many Asian nations pretty much do the same game. Instead of migrant work though, they pool together and start a business (restaurant, laundry, you name it), and then pay the family working there nothing, as it all goes towards the household. Even darker, sometimes people basically sell their labor to come here, and are basically slaves to the business owner.

All of that though, PALES in comparison to letting in folks who only want to see Americans dead...or who have no inclination to integrate, and demand we bow to THEIR ways. Sorry but Americans just can't comprehend this...and won't stand for it, frankly.

Being born here does guarantee citizenship. It was established when this country began.

Dont get me wrong. I see problems with illegal immigration and droves of hateful people coming here. I get it. But being born here makes you a natural born citizen. Plain and simple.

If you do not like it then rally for a constitutional amendment stating otherwise.

Me? Get rid of the welfare system that is such a drain on our resourses and solve more problems than a wall ever could.

A query. If it pleases the king. Should every person born here, to naturalized parents or natural born parents, be not considered citizens?
 
Do you mean to say that both the parents and children should be continually vetted and asked to take citizenship tests? How many generations should a family have to live here before their children can be considered natural-born citizens? 3? More?
 
I look at it this way,come here legally become citizens have children they are vested born here and can stay as long as they want,,,,,,,,,,,,,never become citizens or come here illegally and you and your children have no rights,and are in for a free ride back to where you came from
 
How many generations should a family have to live here before their children can be considered natural-born citizens? 3? More?
If someone immigrates legally, then that is not a problem. The first generation of children born here are citizens. I don't think anyone will argue with that.

BTW, my wife is an immigrant.
 
Do you mean to say that both the parents and children should be continually vetted and asked to take citizenship tests? How many generations should a family have to live here before their children can be considered natural-born citizens? 3? More?

Hey Amir, just curious, not trying to be nosy, but are you a first generation Indian-American? I am wondering what you make of this whole travel ban thing, and if you are in danger of being deported.
 
When the wives of British troops serving in places like Canada, US, Germany, Nigeria etc give birth in those countries they are not listed as American, Canadian, German etc, just British.
 
It depends on the country. Some nations have the same law as we do. Some don't.
 
Hey Amir, just curious, not trying to be nosy, but are you a first generation Indian-American? I am wondering what you make of this whole travel ban thing, and if you are in danger of being deported.
Half right! My mother is from India, yes.

She and my aunt moved us here legally when I was an adolescent. The enactment of a travel ban seems like it could be a slippery slope... First it could be the 'worst' Muslim nations, but if terror still finds its way into the country, it could spread to all Muslim nations... And then who knows? Maybe all Asian nations (except for the ones we rely on for trade).

I should not be in danger of deportation, but who knows these days? I carry more documents than I should have to on my person at all times just for the sake of proof if I need it. I have nightmares about accidentally stepping out of bounds and not being able to find all my documents.
 
You seem like a good guy, Amir. It's good to know there are people like you who come here legally and don't cause trouble. It is mostly the undocumented immigrants Trump is going after, so it sounds like you should be fine. The undocumented immigrants are breaking the law, and deserve to be punished.
 
Other countries need to do a better job of incentivizing their citizens to stay. Wether it is legally or illegally, people come here with hope for a better situation. Some of Indias most productive citizens come here because there is more opportunity, both educationally and financially.. And India isn't even that bad compared to some other places!

If other countries could just model themselves after the United States and offered the same advantages, they could keep their finest citizens rather than constantly losing them to us! But some will just never learn.
 

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