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Flight

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I would like to make this a weekly event on a fresh subject that you guys suggest, and if you guys want to, you guys can contribute by writing an article. In an effort to assist both beginning and seasoned preppers, I will do my best to develop recommended threads. Your thoughts?

Please give me constructive criticisms
I will start....
 
When creating a bug-out bag, it's important to consider several factors to ensure you're prepared for emergencies and have essential supplies on hand. Here are some key things to think about:
1. Purpose:
◦ Consider the specific emergencies you are preparing for. Are you focusing on natural disasters like earthquakes or hurricanes, or are you concerned about civil unrest or other situations?
◦ Research the potential risks and hazards in your area to tailor your bug-out bag contents accordingly.
2. Duration:
◦ Prepare your bug-out bag to sustain you for at least 72 hours, as it may take that long for help to arrive during an emergency.
◦ If you anticipate needing supplies for a longer duration, consider extending the quantity of food, water, and other essentials.
3. Location:
◦ Take into account the climate, weather conditions, and terrain of your region.
◦ If you live in a cold climate, prioritize warm clothing and gear. If you're in a hot climate, focus on lightweight and breathable options.
4. Essential items:
◦ Water: Include water containers and purification methods like water filters or purification tablets. Aim for at least one gallon (3.8 liters) of water per person per day.
◦ Food: Pack non-perishable, ready-to-eat food like energy bars, canned goods, and dehydrated meals. Consider nutritional value and caloric content.
◦ Shelter: Include a lightweight tent, tarp, or emergency blanket to provide protection from the elements.
◦ First aid kit: Choose a comprehensive kit that includes bandages, antiseptic ointment, pain relievers, tweezers, and any necessary prescription medications.
5. Clothing and personal hygiene:
◦ Clothing: Pack appropriate clothing layers for your climate, including base layers, insulating layers, and outerwear. Look for reputable outdoor brands like Patagonia, The North Face, or Columbia.
◦ Personal hygiene: Include travel-sized toiletries like toothbrushes, toothpaste, soap, hand sanitizer, toilet paper, and menstrual products. Consider brands like Travelon or Sea to Summit for compact travel toiletries.
6. Tools and utilities:
◦ Multipurpose tools: Choose a reliable and versatile tool like a Swiss Army Knife or a Leatherman multi-tool.
◦ Flashlight: Opt for a durable, compact LED flashlight like those made by Fenix, Streamlight, or SureFire. Ensure you have extra batteries.
◦ Fire starter: Include waterproof matches or a reliable fire starter like a Ferrocerium rod or a fire starter kit from brands like UCO or Light My Fire.
◦ Portable stove: Consider a lightweight, compact stove such as those made by MSR, Jetboil, or BioLite.
7. Communication:
◦ Portable radio: Look for a battery-powered or hand-crank emergency radio with AM/FM and NOAA weather bands. Brands like Midland, Eton, or Sangean offer reliable options.
◦ Batteries: Choose reputable battery brands like Duracell or Energizer, and ensure you have the appropriate sizes for your devices.
8. Personal documents:
◦ Waterproof bag or container: Use a sealed waterproof bag or a protective document pouch to store copies of important documents.
◦ Consider brands like Aquapac or Loksak for reliable waterproof bags.
9. Cash and valuables:
◦ Cash: Keep a small amount of cash in small denominations, including both bills and coins, for emergency situations.
◦ Valuables: Consider including any items of value or sentimental importance that you deem necessary for your emergency situation.
10. Customize for personal needs:
• Medications: Include any necessary prescription medications and consider a travel pill organizer. Consult with your healthcare provider for specific recommendations.
• Glasses: If you wear prescription glasses or contact lenses, include an extra pair or necessary supplies.
• Baby supplies: If you have infants or young children, pack diapers, formula, baby food, bottles, and any necessary medications or comfort items.
• Pet items: If you have pets, include food, water, bowls, a leash, waste bags, and any necessary medications or documentation.
11. Regular maintenance:
• Check your bug-out bag periodically to ensure all items are in working order.
• Rotate food, water, and medications to ensure they are not expired.
• Update clothing and gear based on changes in seasons or personal needs.
Remember, these brand recommendations are just suggestions, and there are many other reputable brands available. It's essential to do your own research, read reviews, and choose products that best fit your needs and budget.
 
I have given up on that. I no longer think the big SHTF/ TEOTWAWKI is going to happen . It will be more a slow decline into crappy third world status. You can't really prepare for that because it is so gradual.
Why I think that : Covid, war in Ukraine, Bidem for Pres, Argentina, Venezuela, China

After Ebola and Covid I no longer think a REAL pandemic that kills around at least 1/3 of the population ( or even 10%) is possible.
War in Ukraine hasn't turned into a nuclear WW3 and it's been going on over a year, so probably not going to at this point
So if THAT doesn't turn into a nuke war, probably nothing will
Our poopy leader hasn't managed to depopulate this country yet, we can't get one too much worse than him , and we already had many other bad ones
Argentina keeps destroying their currency, and yet they still survive and keep going , and doing it all over again
Venezuela still exists and hasn't been depopulated yet, despite communism
China needs us and we need them in the current world economy, so doubtful they will nuke us

So, the real problems we are going to face is old age, health problems and financial problems. Bug out bag and 2 years worth of food isn't going to help much....
 
I like the Idea, but what about making a catalog of articles? Condensed and concise articles and stored in an indexed library as PDFs for members to down load.
That is what I was thinking, and make it printable, but before I do, get the best possible results before I turn it into a PDF
I have a ton of PDF files and a few books I've written on the subject in our library section. :)
I guess I need to look there, my bad, maybe we can get a new section just for PDF's, but have it so there is no responses, only the PDF file.
 
I have given up on that. I no longer think the big SHTF/ TEOTWAWKI is going to happen . It will be more a slow decline into crappy third world status. You can't really prepare for that because it is so gradual.
Why I think that : Covid, war in Ukraine, Bidem for Pres, Argentina, Venezuela, China

After Ebola and Covid I no longer think a REAL pandemic that kills around at least 1/3 of the population ( or even 10%) is possible.
War in Ukraine hasn't turned into a nuclear WW3 and it's been going on over a year, so probably not going to at this point
So if THAT doesn't turn into a nuke war, probably nothing will
Our poopy leader hasn't managed to depopulate this country yet, we can't get one too much worse than him , and we already had many other bad ones
Argentina keeps destroying their currency, and yet they still survive and keep going , and doing it all over again
Venezuela still exists and hasn't been depopulated yet, despite communism
China needs us and we need them in the current world economy, so doubtful they will nuke us

So, the real problems we are going to face is old age, health problems and financial problems. Bug out bag and 2 years worth of food isn't going to help much....
I believe you are somewhat correct; however, I believe that being prepared is more about the elements working against us, such as tornadoes, floods, and the like. There will always be conflicts and old/new diseases that the world will have to deal with.
 
My prepping has always been geared toward local scenarios, with those being the most likely natural disasters. Worldwide scenarios are very much in the back of my mind, and I agree with Sonya. The chances of them happening are extremely remote.

I focus on what I consider to be the six main categories: Shelter, Security, Water, Food, Heat, Health. IMHO all of my needs fit into these categories, and agin JMHO, for me this is the order importance and priority. As we speak I have every intention of bugging in, and I prep accordingly. The only things I can think of that would make me leave are flood, fire, and toxic contamination. Even if I have to pitch a tent on my property, I will stay, and this will be my Alamo.

That said, I do have emergency hags (BOB's) for all family members and pets. I review them quarterly to make sure they are complete, and up to date. If we had to grab and go in a moments notice we could. The bags are heavy and are really situated for a vehicle, but we are way past the age or day that we could escape on foot.

My reasoning behind the six categories in this order is that is what is required to sustain life. Shelter: If you aren't protected from the elements you won't last long. Being able to stay dry or protected from the sun or cold or heat is critical. Security: If you can't protect and defend what you have someone will take it away from you, and you will have nothing. Do whatever you feel comfortable with. Water, enough said. You cannot live without it. You neeed sources, a means of storing it, and a means of purifying it. Food: almost as important as water, but you can live much longer without it. Heat: In this category I would include fire, and every means available to start it and maintain it. I would also include all types of clothing, gear, and blankets, and every means to keep you warm when the sutuation arises. Health: Your IFAK, medical bag, personal meds and gear to check or maintain your health.

Flight, I think your list is a very good start. I have tried to research where the 72 Hour Kit came from. It seems to have been around forever, and even though those of us that prep know 72 hours is woefully inadequate, all of the governing bodies seem to be fixated on it. The best I could find is that 72 hours seems to fit the Pareto Principle (the 80-20 rule). Probably 80% of the SHTF scenarios are resolved within 72 hours. Again, JMHO, but a 72 hour kit is just a nice start. A couple of things I would add to the list would be a Silcock key for water acquisition in urban areas, and whistles and some method for signaling in emergencies.

This is a good thread. Makes you think. Thanks for posting, Flight
 
So, the real problems we are going to face is old age, health problems and financial problems. Bug out bag and 2 years worth of food isn't going to help much....

I agree with the first part, but a BOB and two years worth of food is worth a great deal. It may keep you alive, and could be used for barter if things were bad enough. I would still hang on to that.
 
So, the real problems we are going to face is old age, health problems and financial problems. Bug out bag and 2 years worth of food isn't going to help much...
Oh I dunno. I'm often bedridden by my back or a gout flare up, and having some "exotic" tools with me has really saved my butt a few times, you'd be surprised at what a handful of zip ties and duct tape come in handy for if you have car trouble!
 
I am going to start prepping next month, roughly around July Fourth.
 
I do "horizon to horizon" prepping, as in no more than 6 months ahead, for several reasons. my health and storage space being the two main ones. I figure anything that's longer than six months, I won't survive anyway, why buy some looter gear?

Here is my basic GHB
I rebuild my GHB ever so often to update to better or lighter equipment or changing life situations, my current kit is modular, meaning I can leave parts behind if I have to like the rain gear, gas mask, rope etc. My current base bag is a surplus medic pouch I keep in the fender well behind my spare, in it is:
A Taurus G3 and 6 17 round mags.
a Cold steel SR-1.
USAF cammulus pilot knife+ stone.
Really basic medical kit+ some extras.
50' of paracord.
10 10 penny nails.
8X10' tarp.
extra socks+ and a bottle of foot powder.
Two quarts of Gatorade+ water treatment pills.
a Leatherman tool
4 go bars.
2 cans of Vienna sausage
2 cans beans and franks.
2 packs of snack crackers.
plastic spoons.
Vitamin B+ and taurine.
Small tool kit.
Hatchet.
tactical light+ and extra batteries.
fire kit.
canteen full of distilled water.

The idea behind this kit is that I never travel more than ten miles from home, its bare basic and should be more than enough to get me home, my BOB is much more involved however, with more in the line of firepower, food and medicine. It all goes in an IDF day pack.
 
I am actually going to make one of those bug'out bags, in a PELICAN 1560 case. Never truly have had a bug'out bag. It will be different than standard BOB as I have been bugged'out for decades. It will be set up for urgently going to a hospital, but will also serve as "Escaping" a forest fire. (No firearms, no knives, just what is needed at a hospital or hotel).
 
I agree with the first part, but a BOB and two years worth of food is worth a great deal. It may keep you alive, and could be used for barter if things were bad enough. I would still hang on to that.

I was just talking about me personally. Everyone's situation is different. I am not going anywhere, so BOB is useless. They will just have to shoot me here . Food: well, we have it walking around in the pasture and I have enough carbs for a few years. Weather: I suppose we could have a wildfire here but with all the rain we usually get it's probably not likely. We are up on a mountain so no flood, hurricanes are just rain and some wind events by the time they get to us, and tornadoes dont last long in the mountains.
I am realizing THE biggest issue for us ( and anyone outside a major city) is transportation. How do homesteaders and farmers function if there are no more large V8 engines to haul things, and gas is $10 a gallon, and there are no more spare parts for anything. THis is almost reality now. How do you hang on to your property if taxes go so high you can't pay them. How will you stay alive if there are no hospitals in your area, you have no transport and health insurance is out of your price range, and Medicare goes under? Those are real things that are very much more likely to happen than the zombie apocalypse
 
I am going to start prepping next month, roughly around July Fourth.
red ryder and case of water and tooth pick see you through at least a month or more !
 
I am actually going to make one of those bug'out bags, in a PELICAN 1560 case. Never truly have had a bug'out bag. It will be different than standard BOB as I have been bugged'out for decades. It will be set up for urgently going to a hospital, but will also serve as "Escaping" a forest fire. (No firearms, no knives, just what is needed at a hospital or hotel).

reestablish case or "get established case"

cash is king most of time..you and i both know..along with 200some others know credit cards dont work to your west...roflmao. bet they wish they had some cash on them.
 
I am actually going to make one of those bug'out bags, in a PELICAN 1560 case. Never truly have had a bug'out bag. It will be different than standard BOB as I have been bugged'out for decades. It will be set up for urgently going to a hospital, but will also serve as "Escaping" a forest fire. (No firearms, no knives, just what is needed at a hospital or hotel).

I started a thread about a month ago with a scenario of what non perishable foods to pack in said bug out pelican assuming that it would be too dangerous to venture outside and you had to prepare and eat the food in your room. A few good useful suggestions and I built such a pelican bug out bag, in a pelican-like suitcase. Other items in the suitcase, of course, and the post was about strictly food.
 
I started a thread about a month ago with a scenario of what non perishable foods to pack in said bug out pelican assuming that it would be too dangerous to venture outside and you had to prepare and eat the food in your room. A few good useful suggestions and I built such a pelican bug out bag, in a pelican-like suitcase. Other items in the suitcase, of course, and the post was about strictly food.
Good plan it is too.

While most discussions of mobile gear assume containing it all in bags or packs, hard cases have quite significant advantages:
1) Most gear carried around in soft bags/packs gets constantly deformed and abraded - that is the mechanism by which the contents get worn out. The best example is soft bag first aid kits - the gear in those gets smashed over time
2) Hard cases make much more sense if you are carrying them in a vehicle - again more robust and weather proof
3) Hard cases are less conspicuous if you are around other people
4) Hard cases keep gear at a more constant temperature - and again that extends the life of many items
5) Hard cases can be locked shut and to a vehicle
6) In a campsite or temporary residence, the cases become the furniture

I use Pelican, Storm, MTM and other brands of hard cases for gear. They range in size from pocket to huge (multi-person lift).
 
I have given up on that. I no longer think the big SHTF/ TEOTWAWKI is going to happen . It will be more a slow decline into crappy third world status. You can't really prepare for that because it is so gradual.
Why I think that : Covid, war in Ukraine, Bidem for Pres, Argentina, Venezuela, China

After Ebola and Covid I no longer think a REAL pandemic that kills around at least 1/3 of the population ( or even 10%) is possible.
War in Ukraine hasn't turned into a nuclear WW3 and it's been going on over a year, so probably not going to at this point
So if THAT doesn't turn into a nuke war, probably nothing will
Our poopy leader hasn't managed to depopulate this country yet, we can't get one too much worse than him , and we already had many other bad ones
Argentina keeps destroying their currency, and yet they still survive and keep going , and doing it all over again
Venezuela still exists and hasn't been depopulated yet, despite communism
China needs us and we need them in the current world economy, so doubtful they will nuke us

So, the real problems we are going to face is old age, health problems and financial problems. Bug out bag and 2 years worth of food isn't going to help much....
Anyone who accepts that the US (and indeed the rest of the "West" too) is in gradual, accelerating and irreversible decline, who doesn't think there will be step collapses, as tipping points are reached, is being unrealistic and ignoring history.

For many, the idea that they will just be able to ride their way through a very severe crisis without changing what they do or where they do it, is mostly motivated by wishful thinking.

In a very severe crisis, wishful thinking is a very dangerous mindset.
 
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I don't know if it fits here but a so you want to buy land list would be nice. We had a discussion going about all the mistakes and wins we made during this process. I am not sure where that went?
 
I don't think the 3 months, 6 months, one year of food is going to be enough. I think five years is good. Thinking that telling beginners to store 3 months is just going to prevent them from starving for just 3 months. Buying cases of canned ravioli isn't going to cut it. Beginners need to do better.
 
The big book says 7 years, our books say ten, I won't survive one, but I stack in when I can anyway.
I think the best way to deal with it is learning to sprout and grow mushrooms and make hidden gardens of things that don't look like food. remember, a gallon of sprouts can feed you longer than the handful of seeds you used to grow them! then keep your head down and stay out of sight.
 
in case any of yall are wondering of my reference to the 200some people and to sourdoughs west....well an airplane had engine trouble and had to make emergency landing at closest airport. it was in eastern russia...it had many americans on board and they are/were stuck in the city without ability to buy anything because their credit cards etc. wont work because of sanctions....lol....a plane was sent for them.
 
in case any of yall are wondering of my reference to the 200some people and to sourdoughs west....well an airplane had engine trouble and had to make emergency landing at closest airport. it was in eastern russia...it had many americans on board and they are/were stuck in the city without ability to buy anything because their credit cards etc. wont work because of sanctions....lol....a plane was sent for them.
Yep.
That Air India flight made an emergency landing in Magadan (main town in Magadan Oblast) (an Oblast is sort of like a state).

I have been there several times.....but always just overnight or straight into a car and big long drive into the wilderness.

It is a bit grim looking but it is actually an OK town. I found the people there friendly and nice.....but it would be a tough place to be stranded without credit cards and/or any Russian language skills.

For example, all the announcements and text on the flight boards at the airport are in Russian....which has left me with some quite funny stories about flying in through there.

Back in the days of the Gulags, Magadan was the last town several hundreds of thousands of prisoners (maybe millions.....no one really knows) ever saw.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...-air-india-flight-emergency-landing-rcna88093
“The Russian soldiers, the Russian police, the authorities, everyone working in the hostel has been treating us extremely well,” he reportedly said.

I would expect that from the Russians I know.
 
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When creating a bug-out bag, it's important to consider several factors to ensure you're prepared for emergencies and have essential supplies on hand. Here are some key things to think about:
Realistically how far could a person carry their BOB loaded with essentials in a day?
 
Realistically how far could a person carry their BOB loaded with essentials in a day?
Some things to think about are:


Age: In general, younger people have more stamina, muscle strength, and overall physical capabilities than older people. Younger people can often cover longer distances faster. However, this can vary depending on the individual's level of fitness and health.

Weight: Excess weight can place additional strain on the body, particularly during physical activities such as walking. Overweight people may find it more difficult to walk long distances because their joints, muscles, and cardiovascular system are under increased stress. Maintaining a healthy weight can help you move more easily.

Mental State: Psychological factors such as motivation, determination, and resilience can have a significant impact on a person's ability to walk a certain distance. A strong mental state can help individuals push through physical discomfort, fatigue, or challenging situations, enabling them to cover more ground.

General Health: Overall health plays a crucial role in physical performance. People with chronic illnesses, disabilities, or pre-existing medical conditions may have limitations in terms of endurance and mobility. Good general health, free from major medical issues, can contribute to better walking abilities.

Physical Fitness: Regular exercise and physical fitness significantly impact a person's ability to walk long distances. Individuals who engage in activities that improve cardiovascular fitness, strength, and endurance, such as jogging, hiking, or weight training, are generally better equipped to handle walking in a post-apocalyptic scenario.

A person's ability to walk a certain distance in a timely manner in a post-apocalyptic scenario depends on various factors, including age, weight, mental state, general health, and physical fitness. These factors interact with each other and can have both positive and negative effects on mobility and endurance.
 
Realistically how far could a person carry their BOB loaded with essentials in a day?
Yep - a key part of any BOB prep is to fully assemble the bag, try carrying it around and then do some trial runs where you actually go cross country with it......for at least a couple of days and night.

Only then, do you get to find out what works and what doesn't........what the bag can do for you and what it can't.

The limitations of BOBs need to be known before any real emergency, so you either know the real capability (and act accordingly) or so you can come up with a better plan (and matching fitness and resources).

Otherwise the worst case is, you have a half baked (and/or impractically heavy) bag that can be just another part of a broader mindset of self delusion.

For many older and/or less abled bodied folks, their BOB should be setup for vehicle carry from day one.

That plan then requires that they also prep their vehicle to be suitable for BO - and that includes specific vehicle preps and plans of where you will head, by what routes and when.
 
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