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From this, I'm getting the sense we should be talking more on clean drinking water? If so, I agree, there is not to much on this topic, so hopefully I will start it off with my next PDF.
That will be great. "BUT" remember everything involving purifying water is not relevant if there is "NO" water. And that is the default that most water threads cover. Most would not know a undeveloped spring if it bit them in the ass.

Finding invisible water would be helpful. I have many springs on my property, and I find them because where they are invisible, grows a plant straight out of hell, called "Devil's Club".
 
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That will be great. "BUT" remember everything involving purifying water is not relevant if there is "NO" water. And that is the default that most water threads cover. Most would not know a undeveloped spring if it bit them in the ass.

Finding invisible water would be helpful. I have many springs on my property, and I find them because where they are invisible, grows a plant straight out of hell, called "Devil's Club".
We have that plant here, I found it in pine trees that have open space for smaller plants. It is a medical plant also.
We have rain water, a well & two creeks with in one half mile.
Also on my DW land is a springhead, her land is 1/16 of a mile from my land.
 
My knee jerk reaction is to say "it's great to live in the Great Lakes State". I've read that in Michigan you're never more than 8 miles from some sort of water. I'm within an easy drive of one of the Great Lakes, so yeah, there's water!
But I do realize what a difficult thing it would be to be living in some sort of situation that meant I had no water, and had to somehow still have gas to drive over there, and buckets to wade out and fill, lids to keep them from emptying on the way back, and then some way to purify it. That would take a lot of thought and planning.
My first line of defense is stored water, second is a generator to run my well pump. I'm also looking at something like this, still researching it: Epp Well Solutions | Emergency Well Hand Pump Kits
 
Big cities all over the eastern US are located on rivers. Those of us in towns and rural areas are surrounded by water too. I have several fresh water springs right here on the farm. Bama is the second largest producer of catfish in the nation. Know how many catfish ponds are here? Alabama leads the nation in miles of navigable channels with 1,438 miles.

All I have to do is pick a compass direction, any direction. Should only take about 10mins to find water. Finding water is not a relevant issue for me or preppers east of the mississippi. Anyone capable of walking down hill can find water.

Most importantly all the water flowing by millions today doesn’t stop flowing because someone turns off the power switch tomorrow. It’s still there flowing past cities and small towns, communities everywhere. Boat loads are going to get sick and die from bad water but they won’t be thirsty!!!!

The only relevant issue is then how to purify water… and on what scale it can be done.
 
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That will be great. "BUT" remember everything involving purifying water is not relevant if there is "NO" water. And that is the default that most water threads cover. Most would not know a undeveloped spring if it bit them in the ass.

Finding invisible water would be helpful. I have many springs on my property, and I find them because where they are invisible, grows a plant straight out of hell, called "Devil's Club".
Got a pic of one?
P.S
My son is a fan of yours.
 
Big cities all over the eastern US are located on rivers. Those of us in towns and rural areas are surrounded by water too. I have several fresh water springs right here on the farm. Bama is the second largest producer of catfish in the nation. Know how many catfish ponds are here? Alabama leads the nation in miles of navigable channels with 1,438 miles.

All I have to do is pick a compass direction, any direction. Should only take about 10mins to find water. Finding water is not a relevant issue for me or preppers in the east. Anyone capable of walking down hill can find water in the east of the mississippi.

Most importantly all the water flowing by millions today doesn’t stop flowing because someone turns off the power switch tomorrow. It’s still there flowing past cities and small towns, communities everywhere. Boat loads are going to get sick and die from bad water but they won’t be thirsty!!!!

The only relevant issue is then how to purify water… and on what scale it can be done.
You'll be arrested by illegals for taking government water!!☹️
 
Got a pic of one?
P.S
My son is a fan of yours.
nothing like going up steep slopes...90% and reaching out and grabbing for something and getting a handful of it....if memory serves me its used as some type of healing salve..arthritic maybe..i forget..its all over the PNW


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil's_club

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https://www.centralcoastbiodiversity.org/devils-club-bull-oplopanax-horridus.html
 
Devils Club is a herbal medicine power house! Wish it grew here, I'd be using it... It's related to the ginsengs. And just like ginseng it treats a wide range conditions. It's used by almost all tribes in the northwest of n. america.
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Oplopanax horridus

"Devil’s club (Oplopanax horridus (Sm.) Torr. & A. Gray ex. Miq., Araliaceae) is probably the most important spiritual and medicinal plant to most indigenous peoples who live within its range. Different parts of this plant are used by over 38 linguistic groups for over 34 categories of physical ailment, as well as many spiritual applications. Devil’s club [syn. Echinopanax horridus (Sm.) Decne. & Planch, Fatsia horrida (Sm.) Benth. & Hook, Panax horridum Sm.; Riconophyllum horridum Pall.] is a common deciduous understory shrub occurring in moist, but well drained, forested ecosystems from coastal Alaska southward to central Oregon and eastward to the southwestern Yukon, the Canadian Rockies, northwestern Alberta, Montana, and Idaho. There are also several disjunct populations near northern Lake Superior in Michigan and Ontario. The stems of this shrub are upright to decumbent and can reach heights exceeding 6 meters (~20 feet). The leaves are large (up to 35 cm across [~14 inches]) and maple-shaped."

"A member of the family Araliaceae (which also contains the ginsengs), devil’s club is related to a number of widely known medicinals including Asian ginseng (Panax ginseng C.A. Meyer), American ginseng (P. quinquefolius L.), eleuthero (Eleutherococcus senticosus Maxim., formerly called Siberian ginseng), and small spikenard (Aralia nudicaulis L., or sarsaparilla). Devil’s club is often cited as the most significant plant, both medicinally and spiritually, to the indigenous peoples within its range.2-5 The first ethnographic record of devil’s club use dates back to 1842, when Eduardo Blaschke, the chief physician for the Russian American Company, reported the use of devil’s club ash as a treatment for sores amongst the Tlingit.6 Subsequently, devil’s club has received widespread documentation for its medicinal, spiritual, and technological uses in ethnographies, ethnobotanies, medical journals, and historical records from within (as well as outside) its geographical range. In a 1982 review, Turner reported more than 30 categories of medicinal, spiritual, and technological uses by peoples of over 25 different indigenous linguistic groups of western North America.4 Phytochemical research has revealed that this plant has antifungal, antiviral, antibacterial, and antimycobacterial properties, and these are undoubtedly related to its widespread use in traditional medicine."

Table 1: Summary of Medicinal Uses of Devil’s Club (Oplopanax horridus) Medicinal Uses

Appetite Stimulant Infusion of inner bark. Nlaka’pamux (64); Secwepemc (65); Squamish (66)

Arthritis / Rheumatism Infusion or decoction of inner bark, pounded leaves and sometimes roots, inner bark used in bath/steam bath, inner bark chewed, crushed root used as poultice, and whole stems used to beat rheumatic limbs as counter-irritant.


Blood Purifier Decoction of inner bark.

Broken Bone Decoction of inner bark.

Cancer Infusion of inner bark.

Childbirth / Menstruation Inner bark mashed and swallowed, or decoction of inner bark taken as purgative to expel afterbirth, to start post-partum menstrual flow, regulate menstruation, and for cramps.

Diabetes Infusion or decoction of inner bark and sometimes roots, both alone and in mixtures.

Diphtheria Infusion of roots applied externally.

Emetic / Purgative Decoction or infusion of inner bark prepared in water or seal oil, both alone and in mixtures, roots chewed and the inner bark sometimes swallowed.

Fertility Unspecified.

Fever Decoction of inner bark.

Flu Infusion of inner bark, alone and in mixtures, and the inner stem bark chewed.

Gall Stones Infusion of inner bark.

Haemorrhaging and Blood Disorders Infusion of inner bark, alone and in mixture, and berries pounded into paste taken internally.

Heart Disease Berries pounded into paste taken internally.

Insanity Introduced into the system by beating with stems.

Internal Infections Infusion of inner bark.

Laxative Infusion or decoction of inner bark prepared both alone and in mixtures.

Lice and Dandruff Pounded berries rubbed on hair and scalp.

Lymph Trouble (Dropsy) Ash of inner bark.

Measles Decoction of inner bark.

Pain Relief, Analgesic Decoction of inner bark, inner stem bark mixed with oil and eaten, dried inner bark laid into tooth cavity, steam bath with inner bark.

Perfume, Baby Talc Unspecified.

Pneumonia Decoction or infusion of inner bark, and inner bark used in steam baths with a variety of additional plants.

Respiratory Ailments, Coughs, Colds Decoctions and infusions prepared from inner stem bark, whole stems and sometimes roots, inner bark also chewed, used in sweat baths, and burned and dampened and worn around the neck.

Skin Wash Infusion or decoction of roots used as a general wash for acne, skin disease, dandruff, etc.

Sores (Swellings, Cuts, Boils, Burns, and External Infections) Inner bark, or infusion of, used externally as a poultice or wound dressing or rubbed over sore, dried inner bark pulverized with pitch or burnt to ash and mixed with oil or grease (sometimes salmonberries and dog feces) and applied externally, berries pounded into a paste and applied externally, decoction of root applied externally, and sliver of bark placed in wound to prevent infection.

Stomach Trouble / Pains, Ulcers Infusion or decoction of inner bark or paste made from berries taken internally.

Tonic Infusion or decoction of inner bark or sometimes roots, inner bark chewed, and bark ash infused.

Venereal Disease Decoction prepared from inner bark and whole stems both alone and in mixtures with a variety of other plants.

Vision / Blindness Infusion of inner bark taken internally, inner bark applied externally with pitch, and decoction used asan eyewash to reverse the effects of cataracts.

Weight Loss Infusion of de-spined stems.

https://www.herbalgram.org/resources/herbalgram/issues/62/table-of-contents/article2697/
 
Devils Club is a herbal medicine power house! Wish it grew here, I'd be using it... It's related to the ginsengs. And just like ginseng it treats a wide range conditions. It's used by almost all tribes in the northwest of n. america.
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something you might want to look into is devils walkingstick.....for some reason i am thinking it might have similar properties...but not sure.
 
something you might want to look into is devils walkingstick.....for some reason i am thinking it might have similar properties...but not sure.

It looks very similar but the chemical makeup is different. Devils walking stick and prickly ash (interchangeable) has limited uses. They work very well used as a local anesthetic, hence the name "Tooth ache tree". The inner bark will numb your gums and tongue like a shot of novocaine.

https://www.homesteadingforum.org/threads/the-tooth-ache-tree.8668/
 
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Devils Club is a herbal medicine power house! Wish it grew here, I'd be using it.
How would you "harvest/Process" it....??? Does it need to be super fresh, or could it be dried...??? Can you purchase it....???
 
How would you "harvest/Process" it....??? Does it need to be super fresh, or could it be dried...??? Can you purchase it....???

Doesn't grow here so I don't use it. The link I provided lists the tribes in the northwest that do use it. Contact their healers/herbalists, they'll know which parts of the plant are used and how to prepare it.

From that link I can see the inner bark is used primarily but the berries and leaves are also used. Again, have to talk to people who use it, they have the expertise.
 
Doesn't grow here so I don't use it. The link I provided lists the tribes in the northwest that do use it. Contact their healers/herbalists, they'll know which parts of the plant are used and how to prepare it.

From that link I can see the inner bark is used primarily but the berries and leaves are also used. Again, have to talk to people who use it, they have the expertise.
I wonder if you had the seeds if you could grow it.....???
 
That will be great. "BUT" remember everything involving purifying water is not relevant if there is "NO" water. And that is the default that most water threads cover. Most would not know a undeveloped spring if it bit them in the ass.

Finding invisible water would be helpful. I have many springs on my property, and I find them because where they are invisible, grows a plant straight out of hell, called "Devil's Club".
these folks fixed their problem in 2019..or started the process of fixing and seen results instantly....water !






also this place..point being many are helping themselves.


 
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What should the next topic be about?
Location-location-location-location. (Why Location is the "FOUNDATION" of all valid prepping plans). With proper location most all prepping needs are free and abundant. Without proper location all preps are a fragile house of cards.
 
Location-location-location-location. (Why Location is the "FOUNDATION" of all valid prepping plans). With proper location most all prepping needs are free and abundant. Without proper location all preps are a fragile house of cards.
I can do that also, I will do Location, sprouting and mushroom growing as two separate PDFs.
 
I'm kinda liking the new place. It's not the outback, the wilds of alaska, the tundra. It's a small village of <600 peeps, with only 3 roads into or out of town. It's not even big enough to rate a dollar general (there is a family dollar)
 

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