and ran across 4 guys in another car that my driver guy knew, but neither Butch nor I knew. Danny and the other guys talked about some little **** that they knew of, and some bar that would serve beer to 17 yo's. Then they decided that they should beat our *****, and charged our vehicle. I had a 1911 .45 and my reloads, featuring hornady 185 gr jhp's (didnt expand in animal tests due to too-thick jacket and too small a nose cavity, ) and 8.5 grs of Unique powder. I touched off one rd over their heads, and they got back into their car a lot faster than they'd gotten out! Went back to talking beer, too. The muzzleflash and blast of that load were horrendous.