Alaska (The State) Purchases, Stores, Inventories "SHTF FOOD" for Alaskans.

[Sourdough]

What does your state do, as far as SHTF food...???

 

[Cabin Fever]

What does your state do, as far as SHTF food...???

The problem is you need to have a way to get to it. A storehouse of food 30 miles away isn't much use to the average person if there is no available gasoline or a sleigh of reindeer.

 

[Dave V]

Alaska Aims to Store Emergency Food Supply for 40,000 People
Alaska population 733,406 in 2023, so what happens to the other 693,406 people?
https://www.govtech.com/health/alaska-aims-to-store-emergency-food-supply-for-40000-people.html

P.S. I think we just have a lot of hurricane preparedness stuff like:
https://www.natca.org/2020/09/08/natcas-disaster-response-committee-there-when-you-need-them/

 

[Mountain trapper]

I guess my state expects people that want to store food to store food on their own. They wouldn't use tax payers money to buy and store food. I don't think the tax payers would allow the state to spend our money that way.

 

[Sourdough]

I think their planning is for communities devastated by Earthquake type events.

 

[Caribou]

I remember Alaska buying emergency food supplies by the container full. That happened one year and I’ve not heard of it since.

 

[Supervisor42]

Y'all shoulda been around in Alabama during the cold-war years!
Every fallout shelter was stocked with enough food for over a hundred people to consume over a month!
And they were everywhere!!!
Yes, the state did that, with help from the fed.

 

[Amish Heart]

I tried looking it up, but couldn't find anything for Kansas.

 

[Cabin Fever]

Y'all shoulda been around in Alabama during the cold-war years!
Every fallout shelter was stocked with enough food for over a hundred people to consume over a month!
And they were everywhere!!!
Yes, the state did that, with help from the fed.

We ate a lot of that CD food when in Scouts (1960s). I remember a sawdust texture bar that was sweet, a Tootsie roll type of stick, and a Tang-like beverage.

 

[Steve_In_29]

Y'all shoulda been around in Alabama during the cold-war years!
Every fallout shelter was stocked with enough food for over a hundred people to consume over a month!
And they were everywhere!!!
Yes, the state did that, with help from the fed.

ALL states did that back then.

 

[Steve_In_29]

I think most states have a certain amount of shtf supplies stockpiled to respond to those scenarios likely to be encountered. But none are laying in supplies to cover every eventuality nor to supply their entire populations.

 

[Steve_In_29]

We ate a lot of that CD food when in Scouts (1960s). I remember a sawdust texture bar that was sweet, a Tootsie roll type of stick, and a Tang-like beverage.

I wonder if that was similar to the bar I ate in the arctic rations I was issued as a Marine in Norway. AFAIK it was made by compressing a large amount of Frosted Flakes (or something similar) into a solid mass. It came in a spam type can with two other bars that seemed to be made from Corn Flakes. I think we were supposed to reconstitute them into a gruel type dish but we just ate them as they were. Which was a bit hard on the teeth.

Later there was a similar (though not as hard) compressed rectangular bar provided in MREs that was made from oatmeal. Lovingly referred to as an "oatmeal butt bar"

 

[OldSchool]

I think most states have a certain amount of shtf supplies stockpiled to respond to those scenarios likely to be encountered. But none are laying in supplies to cover every eventuality nor to supply their entire populations.

Food supplies could be found at fenced-in 'camp' locations.

 

[montanabill]

Here in montana we have yellowstone and the missile fields so the state makes some noise and passes resolutions but......

According to the Montana Department of Public Health and Human Services, there is a designated fund called the Public Health Emergency Fund that can be used for responding to public health emergencies. "However, it is not specifically allocated solely for this purpose and may also be used for other public health initiatives".

 

[Morgan101]

Whatever any government has stored will be woefully inadequate compared to what is truly needed.

 

[Steve_In_29]

Whatever any government has stored will be woefully inadequate compared to what is truly needed.

And doled out in an unfair manner.

Though it's not the .gov's fault on the inadequacy. Taxpayers wouldn't put up with the cost to REALLY prep and that it would have to be restocked on a regular basis at added expense.

 

[Amish Heart]

I was just reading an article on Food Supply News that I found pretty unbelievable. It said that govt was recalling foods on purpose so they could swoop in and buy/take it and that they were storing it in the salt mines in Kansas. We have three saltmines in our state that would be possible, but very highly not probable to do that in, and one is not far from where I live. The other two are just a few hrs drive away. Anyway, it said that the US govt (not Kansas govt) was stockpiling food for govt people when SHTF. I find this insane, because what good would it do stockpiled in my area of Kansas?

 

[Hardcalibres]

I was just reading an article on Food Supply News that I found pretty unbelievable. It said that govt was recalling foods on purpose so they could swoop in and buy/take it and that they were storing it in the salt mines in Kansas. We have three saltmines in our state that would be possible, but very highly not probable to do that in, and one is not far from where I live. The other two are just a few hrs drive away. Anyway, it said that the US govt (not Kansas govt) was stockpiling food for govt people when SHTF. I find this insane, because what good would it do stockpiled in my area of Kansas?

Yes...that is unbelievable and insane.

The key problem would be that recalls of food in retail packaging would be subject to the same problems we have as preppers. Retail packaging doesn't provide a good shelf life. The more they get handled, the worse the integrity of that packaging becomes.

By the time they have it all stashed in a salt mine, it will be time to start rotating it out........because it will be going bad.

.......and most average retail packaged foods are hard to assemble into a balanced diet.

Manufacturers of LTS food like Mountain House do make freezed dried food packed in #10 cans for the government. Those are stocked in Cold War era bunker complexes that provide COG (Continuation of Government) capability during a very severe crisis. Those foods were carefully selected to provide a balanced diet and have shelf life>30 years.

Back several years ago, Mountain House were selling some products described as "Over-runs" from batches made for COG.

I have no doubt that when the risk of nuclear war started to rise back up a few years ago, those cold war era COG facilities probably started getting quietly restocked and refreshed.......but not with recalled food.

 

[Hardcalibres]

Here is an example of a COG product being sold from a production over-run.

https://www.safecastle.com/products...tZBnG2oGoaRlwXCvCgHLd9xldznmPtG4WD_WVdMXtwIWJ

 

[Steve_In_29]

Yes...that is unbelievable and insane.

The key problem would be that recalls of food in retail packaging would be subject to the same problems we have as preppers. Retail packaging doesn't provide a good shelf life. The more they get handled, the worse the integrity of that packaging becomes.

By the time they have it all stashed in a salt mine, it will be time to start rotating it out........because it will be going bad.

.......and most average retail packaged foods are hard to assemble into a balanced diet.

Manufacturers of LTS food like Mountain House do make freezed dried food packed in #10 cans for the government. Those are stocked in Cold War era bunker complexes that provide COG (Continuation of Government) capability during a very severe crisis. Those foods were carefully selected to provide a balanced diet and have shelf life>30 years.

Back several years ago, Mountain House were selling some products described as "Over-runs" from batches made for COG.

I have no doubt that when the risk of nuclear war started to rise back up a few years ago, those cold war era COG facilities probably started getting quietly restocked and refreshed.......but not with recalled food.

For COG purposes, yes. For the average joe's civil defense shelter, no.

The .gov has realized it really isn't going to do much good and many buildings no longer even have the shelters. If the missiles were on the way I doubt we would even be told. It would simply create panic in the streets and not save anyone.

With traffic the way it is now it is simply not realistic to think people could get out of any Major city in the US in the time it takes for modern missiles to reach us?

 

[Hardcalibres]

For COG purposes, yes. For the average joe's civil defense shelter, no.

The .gov has realized it really isn't going to do much good and many buildings no longer even have the shelters. If the missiles were on the way I doubt we would even be told. It would simply create panic in the streets and not save anyone.

With traffic the way it is now it is simply not realistic to think people could get out of any Major city in the US in the time it takes for modern missiles to reach us?

Agreed.

They prioritize avoiding panic........even if that just maintains calm for an extra ten minutes I guess.......which doesn't make much sense.

Most nations that would be targets in a nuclear war, take civil defense more seriously than the US.

During the cold war, the Soviets were open about their civil defense.....because they assessed that doing so enhanced deterrence. Increasing public survivability might mean they would be more likely to use nuclear weapons.....making deterrence more real.

When I visited Finland a few times (for work), there are still bunkers in the basements of most buildings.....and not just government ones either. I would bet that in the current environment, they will be putting bunkers in buildings they are building now too.

But COG programs have existed for decades and the same government leaders who would describe preppers as hoarders, will also be the only ones getting a seat in a COG shelter (with their families too of course).

Modern hypocrisy in action.