Way faster to have a funnel with a hose attached to it and punch a hole in the bottom of the gas tank and drain it into a bladder.
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I agree....I think everyone one needs to prepare for a "Book of Eli" type situation because chances are most fuel resources will dwindle within a couple months and everyone will be forced to walk.
5.5 gal of water with a bag of sugar and 2 cups of yeast, let set for 3 days and you will have 5 to 6% alcohol. more sugar and yeast, the stronger it gets. and if you distil this again it becomes stronger. you can get this to run anything from a jet engine to a lawn mower. now i do not know the long term effects on the engine and seeing how the compression is different, it may cause problems down the road. but if its what you need to do then go for it.
I noticed that people are worried about EMPs and was thinking that a Faraday Cage should negate that problem. You could put them around your residence or your vehicle. That would protect your electronics at the very least. The main concern I think though is that other than a solar flare, EMPs tend to be cause by nuclear explosions. The thing is if your close enough for the EMP to wipe your electronis out your close enough to get hit with the blast, if I remember right.
If we have to bug and the vehicles are a no go, we'll be going courtesy of horse power. We've got the horse, couple of wagons, pack frames and panniers, all the harness and tack we need. We'll load up and mosey on down the line.
One of the reasons vodka is one of the things people say should be kept is that vodka is very effective when making herbal tinctures for medicines. Works better than plain water most of the time to draw the healing properties from the plants. It will also help to calm a cough, a sugar tit dipped in a wee bit of vodka or whiskey will calm a colicky baby as well.
One of the reasons vodka is one of the things people say should be kept is that vodka is very effective when making herbal tinctures for medicines. Works better than plain water most of the time to draw the healing properties from the plants. It will also help to calm a cough, a sugar tit dipped in a wee bit of vodka or whiskey will calm a colicky baby as well.
I always wanted to build me a small steam engine to power a boat. We have water and rivers everywhere here. But just one of those things i ve never gotten around to doing.
I would use horses and pack mules since that is what I have as my alternative, I live with this at my back side http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gifford_Pinchot_National_Forest so motorized anything wouldn't cut it. Foraging for fuel would put me out in the open thus I decided against it.
If you go looking for fuel, gasoline doesn't hold up to age, white fuel (such as coleman fuel) will hold up 10 to 15yrs unopened but white fuel is about 50-55 octane thus you would need octane booster to effectively work in combustible engines though newer engines need certain additives do to emissions also alcohol is very bad for rubber o-rings that's used on vehicle engines, the o-rings would have to be changed out and replaced with epdm on a good number of engines, if anyone has made a whiskey still knows the important's of o-rings material 
Fuel costs for horses and mules would be dirt cheap ,plenty of grass along the way ,as long as it hasn't been sprayed
True, just need to pick up some farrier's tools and learn the basics in shoing to keep their feet in good shape.
Question, it seems the discussion is about leaving after an incident. Why not before, taking it for granted that we can understand that something will happen? One of the preparations I have on my draw board is to have a place to go to and know how to get there ahead of the situation. Anyway, plan A is to stay, plan B is to leave.
If you know something is coming, then by all means, do what you need to do to get to safety. Don't wait until the last minute if you can leave earlier.
Isn't it amazing we have all these plans. What happens when we are nowhere near our homes. I travel a lot so I always am ready to have to hoof it back. Something to think about when you go on vacation. Or worse, you're in Munich for Octoberfest when the SHTF. I'm glad it didn't because it was an awesome time!
I think about it all the time. It makes me despise going anywhere that I have to abandon some of my planning and preps in order to think of possible s scenarios and solutions to get my life on track. I even hate just going to town just because it places me in a weaker position than I was in.
We don't leave the country anymore, haven't for a number of years, wife and I don't travel abroad separately and generally we are no more then 3 miles apart at any given time, the vehicles are already stocked, all shopping, doctor appointment are done together, we know exactly where each other are. Vacations, camping, hiking, canoeing and are done at the same locations, we pre-stocked the areas we vacation since these areas are also our bug-out locations
We're normally within 30 miles of home, we're pretty set in where we go and don't stray much from routine. This meet up in Tennessee kind of gives me willies because not only will I be far from home, but I'm also incapacitated for the summer at the very least. What is making me feel better is that I'm going to be around people that are a lot like me and have their act together. Would I be going if it were, say a scrap book club campout, not a chance, not right now.
You do have a valid point Warriorhealer, got to be ready for whatever, whenever and wherever it may happen.
You do have a valid point Warriorhealer, got to be ready for whatever, whenever and wherever it may happen.
Maybe a couple years ago that trip might have been okay but nowadays I want to not be so far from home...plus I can't swim!
I'm glad I sparked some interest here, as I refuse to become a prisoner in my own home- too much of that as a kid living with a family intent on surviving nuclear attack and the Soviet invasion. While I was deployed I felt the least in control but had alot of gear. When I travel, somethings are always with me: hiking boots, lighter, water purification straw, multi tool, first aid kit (minimal but helpful), small compass, Columbia packable rain jacket and a few other odds and ends. Being retired military, I also keep aware of any US military bases, if nothing more than a rallying point. If I'm trapped overseas, I'll treat it the same as if my house and bug out location are destroyed. I will not surrender to fear or the what if's. Now, when I get a bit older and my agility isn't the same, I'll probably stay closer to home. Also, I tend to travel to places on hunts, so if I'm lucky, I'll have a weapon on me.
in other words folks are gonna want to drink..so if they have some thing you need for yourself and/or family.or some thing you can use for trade..then trade some vodka for it..on acount that'll give you something that someone else needs..and like krime pointed out.medical usage and fuel useage as well..and of course.a lil nip here n there aint bad..
Only problem with that is creating a spark when popping the hole....can you say boom?
I was trying to decide whether to get a new truck that gets better milage or a new siphon hose.....man gas tastes nasty
Nowhereman, use a stout, sharpened oak stake and a mallet. Works and there's no sparks.
Sounds good to me! I have a rubber mallet...Just need a steak! or is that stake? May need both!!
