Welcome, I may rib ya a bit on politics, as will others here...but if we didn't have our differences, how dull would that be? Seriously though, don't ever confuse a bit of discussion and argument for dislike here. At the end of the day, we want to all just help each other prep.
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Gazrok, I've nothing against discussion and argument, and I try to take people at their word.
Of course everyone thinks that their own team is best, otherwise we wouldn't have teams, but many Republicans seem to take this to baffling lengths, refusing to acknowledge even the possibility of less-than-saintly behaviour in their own ranks as well as amongst Democrats. Threads on this forum talk of 'obumer' and 'rag heads' and, re the SCOTUS hearing, describe women as 'hose bag' and 'miserable excuse for a bimbo' and wish of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg that 'the bitch would just die'. This language doesn't speak of courage, strength or honesty. It speaks of nasty, frightened belligerence, of trying to make oneself feel big and secure by making others feel small and unsafe. It's dishonourable, dehumanising and degrading, not to those at whom it's directed but to those who use it.
In past years, I may have agreed with you, but the Dems have caught up (and surpassed them) quite handily since Trump first ran for office. The level of hatred liberals now exhibit to those who disagree with them is far more vehement than any recollection I have from the GOP.
I am not a Republican. I'm a former Dem who was abandoned by my party. If anything applies, I'm more Libertarian than anything. Socially, I'm all for equal (not special) rights, etc. However I'm also for as little government involvement as possible, and for upholding the principles of our founders in the Constitution.
Nor will you see those kinds of comments from me (in current, or past threads). (though a bit of ribbing at RBG would just be in fun).
I actually lived with so-called "rag heads" in the Middle East for about 3 years, Saudi Arabia to be exact, so I have a bit of perspective there. Most are some of the nicest folks you'd ever meet, and hospitality is a big part of the culture there. But, that doesn't negate the very dangerous element of that population that you and fellow Europeans have invited in, and are in danger of losing your identity to. I also understand the desire to not have that happen here.
I'm not so much defending Trump, as I am condemning the actions of the press and others where I see the normal processes we have being completely undermined by playing on emotions and inciting hatred for the other groups. Not to mention the complete leave of folks' common sense when it comes to these issues. It's appalling. (and while often on both sides, these days, it seems far more one-sided, when it comes to violent and desperate opposition).
And on behavior, whether Dem or Rep, I'm all for folks getting justice. But to that end, coming out with accusations DECADES after an incident (especially one where both were minors, and the statute of limitations has been far exceeded, and politically timed) is not justice, it's ridiculous. And this includes folks of any party.
And yes, I have no problem victim blaming, when a victim's silence may have contributed to more and more women being victimized, when something could have actually been done about it.
As for this particular case, so far, the lack of clarity, the acute political timing, and political affiliations of the accusers are far more than just suspicious, they are glaringly obvious. And yet folks are falling for it, hook, line, and sinker.... And THAT is the scariest part of this whole thing.
And yes, I have no problem victim blaming, when a victim's silence may have contributed to more and more women being victimized, when something could have actually been done about it.
As for this particular case, so far, the lack of clarity, the acute political timing, and political affiliations of the accusers are far more than just suspicious, they are glaringly obvious. And yet folks are falling for it, hook, line, and sinker.... And THAT is the scariest part of this whole thing.
Sorry, yes, I did mean to say that I hadn't seen that type of language from you.
The Democrats are coming out with foulness but that does not let other sides off the hook. I consider myself a libertarian socialist*, and I'm not a US citizen, so other than being a human and, I hope, humane being I don't have a horse in the US race. From listening to and reading Mr Trump's words, especially when he's speaking unscripted, I think that the foulness comes right from the top.
* Cue folk leaping in to tell me its a contradiction in terms. Hey-ho, as Walt Whitman would say: I am large, I contain multitudes
I could definitely go with a libertarian socialist as a contradiction in terms, but reading through your intro thread, I feel I have a better grasp on your definition of socialism, and I'd agree it fits you.
No disagreement there. I didn't vote for him as the winner of a popularity contest. I voted for him to shake up the status quo, and see if we get different results, and a better economy, by electing a non-politician. So far, at least that much has come to pass.
However, I also voted for him in the hopes he would lay off Twitter, tone it down a bit, and be a bit more serious and diplomatic. That has NOT come to pass, nor does it seem it ever will. And yet, we no longer have North Korea rattling their saber, etc. To be honest, I'm still a bit puzzled by it all, lol.
While I would have loved to see us get our first female POTUS, I'm not going to vote for (or against) someone just because of their genitals. While on paper, Clinton was one of the most qualified candidates we've ever had, she also represented a continuation of the (non-working) status quo, and while Trump may be corrupt, he's strictly an amateur in terms of global corruption compared to Clinton, so it was indeed a lesser of two evils vote here.
No disagreement there. I didn't vote for him as the winner of a popularity contest. I voted for him to shake up the status quo, and see if we get different results, and a better economy, by electing a non-politician. So far, at least that much has come to pass.
However, I also voted for him in the hopes he would lay off Twitter, tone it down a bit, and be a bit more serious and diplomatic. That has NOT come to pass, nor does it seem it ever will. And yet, we no longer have North Korea rattling their saber, etc. To be honest, I'm still a bit puzzled by it all, lol.
While I would have loved to see us get our first female POTUS, I'm not going to vote for (or against) someone just because of their genitals. While on paper, Clinton was one of the most qualified candidates we've ever had, she also represented a continuation of the (non-working) status quo, and while Trump may be corrupt, he's strictly an amateur in terms of global corruption compared to Clinton, so it was indeed a lesser of two evils vote here.
Thank you for taking the time to do that ☺
Haha, I'm pretty puzzled myself! While I couldn't go with Mr Trump as being the lesser of two evils, I certainly agree that voting on the basis of genitals is daft.
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I said it, and I stand by it. And I'm not normally one for name calling...but these [insert whatever noun you like] just frost me.
I would agree with Gazrok on his political outlook.
Although I don't use name calling as you mentioned, I do support people's right to use it. It maybe "dishonorable, dehumanizing, and degrading", but it is a form of expression on how people feel. We should honor that, regardless if we agree with it or not. People have their own experiences in life that have lead them to feel the way the feel. If we try to shame people or enforce political correctness things only get worse... at least that is what I see here in the U.S. If you think the foulness comes right from the top after listening to Trump, you may be right, but remember there is a reason he got elected. If people would listen and not be offended by what they hear, they might understand why Trump got elected.
the amateur usually gets caught
as my dad told me when I asked him eons ago,why do we have some many people in jail?? and his answer was,son,they are mostly amateurs and easily cought
by police,the pros don't and they are still out there...
as my dad told me when I asked him eons ago,why do we have some many people in jail?? and his answer was,son,they are mostly amateurs and easily cought
by police,the pros don't and they are still out there...
