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A simple statement, but one that becomes impossibly complex pretty quickly when you start following the chain of ownership back.

Everyone alive today owes everything to thousands of generations of theft....this is human nature. It's just nature in general...so you have to draw a line when it comes to ownership, and that line is generally arbitrary.
It seems very simple to me. I earned the money. It's wrong to take some of my money from me and give to someone else who didn't work for it. Ever. What I chose to do with my money is my business. If I want to donate some to a poor family or a crippled person that's my choice.
Not sure what you mean by "thousands of years of theft". I've never stolen anything from anybody.
 
Wow!! How many pots per day do you make?
We make one pot per day, and there's usually a cup or so left that my wife can microwave the next morning while the new pot brews.
2 to 3 pots a day. One for husband and I in the morning, one pot after lunch, and if Levi and little granddaughter are home, they make a pot. We do make it pretty strong. If husband wants another cup late afternoon before dinner, I make him a latte with the other machine and that uses whole bean. So I drink 2 large cups a day, he drinks the rest.
 
Not sure what you mean by "thousands of years of theft". I've never stolen anything from anybody.

Almost nothing anyone has......wasn't taken from someone else. It might even be safe to say NOTHING we have at this point in history, wasn't taken.

I don't feel bad about this....but I do accept that is just the reality of life, I don't pretend that my life isn't at the direct expense of others. Everything I have was taken by force or threat of force from someone. "All deeds are writ in blood"

Food stamps, and other social services, are nothing more than a kickback to those we prey off of, to pacify them enough to allow us to mostly live our lives. If all those stopped, the relationship of force and taking....would become very direct. I'm okay with this as well....but I also consider social services CHEAP compared to the alternative.

This is nothing new....its how civilization has worked for tens thousand years.
 
Almost nothing anyone has......wasn't taken from someone else. It might even be safe to say NOTHING we have at this point in history, wasn't taken.

I don't feel bad about this....but I do accept that is just the reality of life, I don't pretend that my life isn't at the direct expense of others. Everything I have was taken by force or threat of force from someone.

Food stamps, and other social services, are nothing more than a kickback to those we prey off of, to pacify them enough to allow us to mostly live our lives. If all those stopped, the relationship of force and taking....would become very direct.

This is nothing new....its how civilization has worked for tens thousand years.
You have a very weird way of looking at life. Every company that I ever worked all produced a product that people bought; oil/gas, lumber, heavy equipment, minerals, agricultural products etc. Or they provided a service that people were willing to pay for. Nothing was ever taken by force by any company I ever worked for, nor has any compamy ever "preyed off" anyone either. It's worked this way for a very long time.
 
You have a very weird way of looking at life. Every company that I ever worked all produced a product that people bought; oil/gas, lumber, heavy equipment, minerals, agricultural products etc. Or they provided a service that people were willing to pay for. Nothing was ever taken by force by any company I ever worked for, nor has any compamy ever "preyed off" anyone either. It's worked this way for a very long time.

So, they imported these goods from space? Not land that was taken from anyone ever? They didn't make a profit off them either I suppose. And I'm sure they were items that anyone needed to live either....

Come on....all, or nearly all so that it makes no difference, economics is just war by another name. Everything can be traced to being taken by force from someone.

I live on land taken from Indians, who took it back and forth from each other for thousands of years. People pay me to provide a service, or they die, they have no choice, and if I didn't do this....someone would take everything I have, by force.

So I pay taxes....and I provide this service, to keep the locals peaceable, I pay taxes to fight against my enemies overseas....because otherwise I would be fighting them here. I pay money to keep the starvation rates of people in other countries to a reasonable level, to avoid having to fight them here. I pay taxes, because I am a predator......but I am a lazy predator, and its easier to pay taxes, than fight these all these various people everything I have was taken from one by one. I pay taxes, because there are WAY more of them, than there are of us....but luckily as long as we make some token to take care of them....they are stupid enough to grovel and work and starve and leave us alone.

It's a very dangerous lie for those who think they 'earned' anything to ignore all the people they took from. Stop providing for those people, and you will find them showing up to take it all back.

Now, they may very well fail at this, they are preyed on for a reason after all....but it's a hell of a risk to stop paying protection money and fight it out for real.
 
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......but....it also how we got here.......and that includes all the good and the bad of here.

Sure. I just don't know what the alternative is. It's not about choosing the lesser evil, we are not given a choice of 'No evil'

Or is it really possible to know which is the lesser evil before hand.

So I think the only reasonable thing for most people to do, is just pay attention to what actual effects they suffer in their own life....and make what choices they can, accordingly.

I think the worst evil, is always going to be come from blind loyalty, from people who just turn off their brain and make the same choices forever just because at some point in their life, that was what they thought was the lesser evil.
 
Trumps MAGA is being adopted here in Australia with our PM in waiting Dutton pledging to ban all foreign investors and temp residents from buying properties for 24 months, cutting red tape and green tape to allow businesses to flourish, investment in equal balanced energy delivery, rebuilding/securing the Australian border, strengthening detention laws for criminal migrants

Also its been revealed that old mate in China said he would rather rather see our current PM sleepy Albo in-charge of Australia for another 3 years so his country can invade us but that's unlikely to happen as voters have snubbed Labor (Democrats) at a recent by-election in Victoria of which was their strong seat when they stole the election from Liberals in 2022
 
Trumps MAGA is being adopted here in Australia with our PM in waiting Dutton pledging to ban all foreign investors and temp residents from buying properties for 24 months, cutting red tape and green tape to allow businesses to flourish, investment in equal balanced energy delivery, rebuilding/securing the Australian border, strengthening detention laws for criminal migrants

Also its been revealed that old mate in China said he would rather rather see our current PM sleepy Albo in-charge of Australia for another 3 years so his country can invade us but that's unlikely to happen as voters have snubbed Labor (Democrats) at a recent by-election in Victoria of which was their strong seat when they stole the election from Liberals in 2022

Think you will ever get your gun rights back? That would be pretty exciting.
 
So, they imported these goods from space? Not land that was taken from anyone ever? They didn't make a profit off them either I suppose. And I'm sure they were items that anyone needed to live either....

Come on....all, or nearly all so that it makes no difference, economics is just war by another name. Everything can be traced to being taken by force from someone.

I live on land taken from Indians, who took it back and forth from each other for thousands of years. People pay me to provide a service, or they die, they have no choice, and if I didn't do this....someone would take everything I have, by force.

So I pay taxes....and I provide this service, to keep the locals peaceable, I pay taxes to fight against my enemies overseas....because otherwise I would be fighting them here. I pay money to keep the starvation rates of people in other countries to a reasonable level, to avoid having to fight them here. I pay taxes, because I am a predator......but I am a lazy predator, and its easier to pay taxes, than fight these all these various people everything I have was taken from one by one. I pay taxes, because there are WAY more of them, than there are of us....but luckily as long as we make some token to take care of them....they are stupid enough to grovel and work and starve and leave us alone.

It's a very dangerous lie for those who think they 'earned' anything to ignore all the people they took from. Stop providing for those people, and you will find them showing up to take it all back.

Now, they very well fail at this, they are preyed on for a reason after all....but it's a hell of a risk to stop paying protection money and fight it out for real.
Nope they bought the land just like all the rest of us did. Again, I don't understand who you are referring to who took things from others. All of the raw products needed for every industry was bought from whoever owned the products. Again, nobody that I know of ever took anything from anybody.
If your grinding on about the "poor" mistreated indians blah, blah, blah forget it. Most of that was BS anyway. Many tribes sold the land that never even belonged to them in the first place. It is what it is. Get over it and move on.
 
Sure. I just don't know what the alternative is. It's not about choosing the lesser evil, we are not given a choice of 'No evil'

Or is it really possible to know which is the lesser evil before hand.

So I think the only reasonable thing for most people to do, is just pay attention to what actual effects they suffer in their own life....and make what choices they can, accordingly.

I think the worst evil, is always going to be come from blind loyalty, from people who just turn off their brain and make the same choices forever just because at some point in their life, that was what they thought was the lesser evil.
Yep - swing voters decide elections.

But those swinging voters are made up of:
  1. The very indecisive
  2. The self interested
  3. Those that look at the short term implications only
  4. Those that assess policy in a very simplistic way
That is how public social welfare programs got out of control, how tax intake has fallen behind spending (for decades) and the debt got so big.

The swinging voters that cast their ballot based upon fiscal responsibility must be the smallest demographic in the nation.
 
While we are talking about Indians and bashing immigrants, think about this...
If you cannot trace your ancestry back to 'native-Americans' (Indians), you are either a descendant of immigrants, or an immigrant.
Fact.
The vast majority of this country's greatness is from immigrants.
 
Consult Rabelais (the Sixteenth century French Monk).

He recommended (after a lot of trialing) using the neck of a live goose.

https://toilet-guru.com/blog/46.html


Although be warned, you will end up with geese that have a self esteem problem.
well at old forum i use to tell about my way....the carpet laid outside by waterhose and just do like a dog does.....well fast forward sourdough getting older and me wel has a plan now where carpet goes on a sawhorse so you dont have to get down on ground level.....aging body ya know....walk the length of sawhorse...spray and repeat as needed....easy peasy he says !
 
While we are talking about Indians and bashing immigrants, think about this...
If you cannot trace your ancestry back to 'native-Americans' (Indians), you are either a descendant of immigrants, or an immigrant.
Fact.
The vast majority of this country's greatness is from immigrants.
All right then... EVERYBODY OUT!!🤣🤣🤣
 
2 to 3 pots a day. One for husband and I in the morning, one pot after lunch, and if Levi and little granddaughter are home, they make a pot. We do make it pretty strong. If husband wants another cup late afternoon before dinner, I make him a latte with the other machine and that uses whole bean. So I drink 2 large cups a day, he drinks the rest.
Hubby drinks at least a pot a day!
 
While we are talking about Indians and bashing immigrants, think about this...
If you cannot trace your ancestry back to 'native-Americans' (Indians), you are either a descendant of immigrants, or an immigrant.
Fact.
The vast majority of this country's greatness is from immigrants.

Indians were immigrants as well. There are no such thing as Natives -insert place here- anywhere in the world. Even in Africa, there is no continual bloodline to a place where the first homo-sapiens arose.

That being said, everyone who colonizes a place, has no obligation to welcome the next wave of colonists. Being an immigrant, doesn't mean you have to be pro-immigrant.

Nope they bought the land just like all the rest of us did. Again, I don't understand who you are referring to who took things from others. All of the raw products needed for every industry was bought from whoever owned the products. Again, nobody that I know of ever took anything from anybody.
If your grinding on about the "poor" mistreated indians blah, blah, blah forget it. Most of that was BS anyway. Many tribes sold the land that never even belonged to them in the first place. It is what it is. Get over it and move on.

How did those 'owners' get it in the first place? Come on, don't play stupid. We all know that every square foot of land in the world is soaked in generations of blood. Anyone buying anything, is buying stolen property.

"If your grinding on about the "poor" mistreated indians blah, blah, blah forget it. Most of that was BS anyway. Many tribes sold the land that never even belonged to them in the first place. It is what it is. Get over it and move on."

That is a false flag....I thought I was pretty clear this isn't a 'poor anyone' argument. Maybe YOU don't like being a predator....but that isn't my problem. I'm happily living on land stolen from the previous indians who lived here, which like I said, stole it back and forth from each other for thousands of years. I stole it, because my people, are much better killers than their people. Period. And I will hold it, as long as that is true.

The point isn't to feel bad about all your property (and mine) being stolen. This is life, this is how everyone who has ever lived has done it.

The point is to remember that being stolen....it can always be stolen back. There is no magic protecting what you think you 'earned' from what anyone else thinks they are 'owed'. We are all thieves and murderers. Your moral superiority is not only false, it's not effective.

Those of us with more money than others, in wealthier nations, find it cheaper to pay their thieves and murderers. ...., to stay home, rather than allow them to become so desperate we have to fight them directly.

That is why social services, like food stamps, and all the rest exist. They are not a waste, they are in leu of warfare. Anytime war becomes cheaper than aid, we do war. But i'ts the same coin.
 
Over the years I've hired a few live-in housekeepers. I interviewed several local applicants, but couldn't find any that we felt comfortable with. One girl we gave a trial to, she got scared and had her boyfriend stay with her. So after a few more trials I started looking for a foreign girl. I found a nice Thai girl. I paid all of her expenses and paperwork. I did it right and paid for everything. We became good friends and stayed in touch. Last February she came out and spent a few weeks with us.
I hired a Mexican girl too. She didn't work out so well and I fired her after a month and sent her home.
My point is, there is a right way and a wrong way to hire foreign workers. The employer needs to take responsibility of their foreign workers and do it right.
That's awesome that your still friends with the Thai lady.
I was thinking about my Thai friends parents when I made that part in that post . They were stuck in a refugee camp for 2 years during Vietnam just as it was ending. They were waiting for a sponsor to immigrate to America. They finally got one who took them in, helped them out in every way to get them settled, a job to work..everything.
They are great people and I'm glad someone helped them out after they lost everything.
For those that can afford to do this..great..
I have known two coworkers who paid for their wives immigration to here too..both are still married n have kids with them too..
 
my sir name hit the shores in 1600's....part of mine were here already as cherokee...dna shows it and my great grandfather was on 2nd roll but not the 3rd roll so i cant get my tribal card.....so i am a misfit something...i am staying and i aint going in a kennel nor marching anywhere.
 
A simple statement, but one that becomes impossibly complex pretty quickly when you start following the chain of ownership back.

Everyone alive today owes everything to thousands of generations of theft....this is human nature. It's just nature in general...so you have to draw a line when it comes to ownership, and that line is generally arbitrary.
Sorry. I don't get that.

Ben
 
Sure. I just don't know what the alternative is. It's not about choosing the lesser evil, we are not given a choice of 'No evil'

Or is it really possible to know which is the lesser evil before hand.

So I think the only reasonable thing for most people to do, is just pay attention to what actual effects they suffer in their own life....and make what choices they can, accordingly.

I think the worst evil, is always going to be come from blind loyalty, from people who just turn off their brain and make the same choices forever just because at some point in their life, that was what they thought was the lesser evil.
"the Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith has some very reasonable thoughts on wealth. I have not read it all but he just talks from common sense. Have you read it?

Ben
 
Think you will ever get your gun rights back? That would be pretty exciting.
Gun rights being reinstated would be nice unfortunately that jack ass who shot up Port Arthur in 1996 followed by the other one who held up a cafe in Sydney during December 2014 made it that much harder for any hope of getting firearms rights back

When gel blasters and airsoft became popular here in South Australia our nanny state police force felt threatened by the fact everyday home owners. tenants ,those who wanted something that isn't lethal but can leave a bruise on a perp were buying them and decided to have a sulk resulting in a law being passed which requires you to have a fire arms licence if you want to own a gel blaster or airsoft gun
 

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