Are you ready? I think this is gonna be a rough couple years.

[Magus]

Screwed up or done on purpose??

It's been known for decades that 0bamafuel plays hell with aluminum motors.

 

[poltiregist]

Those fields of corn grown to turn into " ethanol " , those fields could be better used for food production to lower food costs for U.S. citizens . Not only that at my last account the government was subsidizing the cost of making ethanol with money squeezed out of the working folks . Both ways the United States citizens are on the losing end of this scheme .

 

[Snowman]

i think everyone needs to keep their 'rear ends' home to be honest...lol....lets put all efforts inside our borders..

At one time there was a group ..Volunteers in Service to America.. that did stay in the country.. Never heard if, how that organization finely ceased to exist..
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Oh boy... This can be such a tail of two sides to a bad situation... We have all heard the stories of missionaries being run out of or killed in ..fill in the blank.. country.. I know people who have been on missions to Mexico, US and Canadian Indian reserves and reservations who came home wide eyed and in shocked disbelief at the bad reception they got there..

My personal experience... A good friend of mine, his mother-in-law was head medical officer at a local Indian Reserve medical clinic.. Every time they heard there was to be a ..missionary... group coming, they would stock up on ..physical assault kits... Kits for assaults of ALL kinds.. The thing being, no matter what kind of cess pool there environment appeared to be, it was there cess pool, not someone else and they don't want anyone telling them how to live there.. Would you like, tolerate, resist someone coming in telling you how to raise your chickens, raise your garden, stock your pantry, ..fill in the blank.. how to live.. Of course not..

To assist after a storm, tornado, flood, forest fire or other natural disaster is one thing.. The rest of this can be quite another mess..

Volunteers in Service to America (VISTA), American governmental organization (created 1964) that placed volunteers throughout the United States to help fight poverty through work on community projects with various organizations, communities, and individuals. Among the related issues addressed by Volunteers in Service to America (VISTA) were illiteracy, lack of quality housing, poor health and well-being, unemployment, and poor economic development. At VISTA’s founding, volunteers, who could be of any age, received a poverty-level stipend to cover their expenses and committed to one year of service when they joined. VISTA became a quasi-independent organization in 1993, when it was folded into AmeriCorps.

^^^... https://www.britannica.com/topic/Volunteers-in-Service-to-America

AmeriCorps, U.S. federal program that supports voluntary service in the areas of health, the environment, education, and public safety. It was created by the National and Community Service Trust Act of 1993, which also established the Corporation for National and Community Service, an independent federal agency designed to oversee and support domestic-service programs, including AmeriCorps.


AmeriCorps is made up of three primary programs: (1) AmeriCorps VISTA (founded as Volunteers in Service to America in 1965 and incorporated into AmeriCorps in 1993), which assigns full-time AmeriCorps volunteers to work with community organizations and public agencies in various programs to alleviate poverty, including public-health and job-training programs, (2) AmeriCorps NCCC (National Civilian Community Corps, modeled on the Great Depression-era Civilian Conservation Corps), a full-time residential program in which volunteers living on several regional campuses work with various organizations and agencies on team-based service projects in their region, and (3) AmeriCorps State and National, which awards funding to service organizations and agencies to recruit, place, and supervise AmeriCorps participants.



In September 1994 approximately 20,000 volunteers representing the first class of AmeriCorps were sworn in by Pres. Bill Clinton and began serving in more than 1,000 communities. In 1997 the introduction of the AmeriCorps Education Award—a postservice grant for educational expenses such as tuition and repaying student loans—helped to increase individual participation in AmeriCorps and enabled more organizations to benefit from the program. By the end of the first decade of the 21st century, AmeriCorps had grown to approximately 75,000 annual volunteers serving both rural and urban communities in all 50 states.

^^^... https://www.britannica.com/topic/AmeriCorps

 

[SLADE]

It's all snake oil,
Cost are going up. A failed business man just wants you to believe they won't.

 

[elkhound]

Those fields of corn grown to turn into " ethanol " , those fields could be better used for food production to lower food costs for U.S. citizens . Not only that at my last account the government was subsidizing the cost of making ethanol with money squeezed out of the working folks . Both ways the United States citizens are on the losing end of this scheme .

plus ethanol adds to cost of a gallon of fuel...my buddy hauls loads of it and he got paid more for it than hauling regular fuel. he says many guys dont want to haul it .

 

[Aerindel]

so let me ask you all something: how would YOU get rid of the debt? Or at least stop it from growing? Even if Trump shuts down every government agency ( which the lawyers and judges everywhere are going to fight him on it, since they ARE the bureaucracy) it's not enough to pay off the debt and keep it from growing. It might just grow a little slower

So my question: if you had to balance the government budget, how would you do it? Keep in mind, the math has to work

I don't think we can. I think I mentioned it earlier in in this thread, but I think we are painted into a corner, economically. The whole world is. Collapse is inevitable. If any individual or company was in this state, they would have to declare bankruptcy.

In the past, when countries got in the this state, the normal solution was just to go to war with the country you owed the money to. Trump up some reason, like they are plotting against you, or all the bankers are satanists or something, go to war, and just write all the debt off.

But I don't think we can go to war with the whole world, in a way that leave us economically stable. All roads lead to collapse.

Tariffs may just be the tipping point that sets it off. They certainly won't make things better. Like I said, they are nothing more than a national sales tax. And given how things have played out since this post, I don't they are even serious, they are just a political game, I don't think they will ever be actually imposed now, at least not for long enough to matter.

'Best case' is that we sputter along for a few more years as it is until the collapse, vs it happens right here and now.

 

[Sourdough]

I don't think preppers grasp the degree that it will impact them.

 

[montanabill]

Hardly anyone alive has a clue to how bad things can get......yet, yet I still do things to just maybe see if I and those around me might have a chance to rebuild something moral and lasting after this current holodeck kabuki theater of a world resets.....

Maybe in 60,000 years or so someone will wonder what went on when they find some foundations from lost city's.