California Wealth Tax

[Proud Prepper]

When have the masses demonstrated the ability to show self control?

Then they should have consequences. Not there consequences for everyone else.

 

[Mountain trapper]

I mean if people really want something that is non essential then they should be taxed at an extortionate amount. The main problem of capitalism is that it has turned humans in to consumers of crap we don't need and that causes excess waste which despite what some people believe does damage the environment.

So who is going to decide what someone "needs"? I'm sure that I have some things that some people might think are excessive. But what I buy or have is nobody's f#!$ing business.

 

[GeorgiaPeachie]

When have the masses demonstrated the ability to show self control?

When have dictators not killed millions by starvation, gassing or bullets to the head? Governments have ZERO moral right to tell others what to do! After all, why would the “masses” be dumb to you, but government not be??

 

[GeorgiaPeachie]

So who is going to decide what someone "needs"? I'm sure that I have some things that some people might think are excessive. But what I buy or have is nobody's f#!$ing business.

So right Arctic. Bet I could make a list of “not needed” that many would go berserk over. Toilet paper...not really needed! Ditto with any alcohol or beer. LOL

 

[Mountain trapper]

This thread was started about punishing the wealthy. I am not in favour of punishing people who are successful. I was just suggesting an alternate way to make a sustainable economy. One other option could be to give all newborn an equal number of credits, say 1 million and you can spend it how you like through your life but when it has all gone you won't get a penny more. That would teach some self control. If some make more along the way then good for them, if some 性交 it up then tough luck. No inheritance, just reset the clock.

No inheritance?!? So what happens to the millions that I have worked and saved for? Under your system I wouldn't be allowed to leave it to my kids, or my dog? I think there are already perfect systems in place for peole such as yourself. Cuba, China, N Korea, Venezuela come to mind.

 

[GeorgiaPeachie]

No inheritance?!? So what happens to the millions that I have worked and saved for? Under your system I wouldn't be allowed to leave it to my kids, or my dog? I think there are already perfect systems in place for peole such as yourself. Cuba, China, N Korea, Venezuela come to mind.

Ditto Arctic! I will be damned if my husband and I will leave our substantial wealth and properties to anyone but our children!

 

[DrHenley]

No inheritance means no more family farms.

 

[Petoski]

No inheritance?!? So what happens to the millions that I have worked and saved for? Under your system I wouldn't be allowed to leave it to my kids, or my dog? I think there are already perfect systems in place for peole such as yourself. Cuba, China, N Korea, Venezuela come to mind.

I post for discussion not because i believe it would be the solution but it seems people like to respond with personal attacks.

 

[Joe SA]

I post for discussion not because i believe it would be the solution but it seems people like to respond with personal attacks.

Conservative people don't want to discuss socialist / communist ideas they are happy with what they have, you forcing the discussing will cause the reaction, because they are fed up with socialist / communist ideas being forced down their gullets.

 

[GeorgiaPeachie]

I post for discussion not because i believe it would be the solution but it seems people like to respond with personal attacks.

Try thinking about it this way. If you had sacrificed many, many things for years and literally worked your entire LONG life for what you have, believe me when I say you would not take any discussion lightly of it being STOLEN by worthless, lazy, fast talking politicians for the benefit of those who DID NOT earn it! Trust me. No one would.

That does not mean we don’t freely GIVE money to those in need. We very much do! But no politician has the moral right to steal others fairly earned wealth!

 

[Mountain trapper]

I post for discussion not because i believe it would be the solution but it seems people like to respond with personal attacks.

No personal attack intended. I was mearly pointing out that there are already countries around the world that have a system in place for the "solution" that you mention; communism. The communist system kills any incentive for a person to strive for success. It destroys ingunuity, creativity and inventiveness. No thanks. For all its "problems" the capitalist system in still best system by far.

 

[Petoski]

I agree competition breeds innovation and creativity but there are negative aspects to the systems we use in the West too. One of the main problems is greed and how sustainable it is. With regards to the original post, the taxing of successful people obviously isn't the solution. Western governments do collect enough tax revenue, in fact they collect way more than they need to provide quality services. The problem is too many bureaucrats, corruption, waste and money spent on none essential services, for example in Europe the tax payer would pay for things like gender reassignment while not having enough funds to provide quality basic medical services. One other issue I have is with state aid and subsidies for companies. While these may create jobs for people it creates an unnatural marketplace.

 

[Joe SA]

I agree competition breeds innovation and creativity but there are negative aspects to the systems we use in the West too. One of the main problems is greed and how sustainable it is. With regards to the original post, the taxing of successful people obviously isn't the solution. Western governments do collect enough tax revenue, in fact they collect way more than they need to provide quality services. The problem is too many bureaucrats, corruption, waste and money spent on none essential services, for example in Europe the tax payer would pay for things like gender reassignment while not having enough funds to provide quality basic medical services. One other issue I have is with state aid and subsidies for companies. While these may create jobs for people it creates an unnatural marketplace.

So you don't need to reinvent the wheel, you need to fix the broken spokes, and smack the buggers (government) who keeps sticking sticks in it

 

[Proud Prepper]

I agree competition breeds innovation and creativity but there are negative aspects to the systems we use in the West too. One of the main problems is greed and how sustainable it is. With regards to the original post, the taxing of successful people obviously isn't the solution. Western governments do collect enough tax revenue, in fact they collect way more than they need to provide quality services. The problem is too many bureaucrats, corruption, waste and money spent on none essential services, for example in Europe the tax payer would pay for things like gender reassignment while not having enough funds to provide quality basic medical services. One other issue I have is with state aid and subsidies for companies. While these may create jobs for people it creates an unnatural marketplace.
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The greed still exists in communism and socialism. , it's just limited to the ruling elites.

 

[TexasFreedom]

I've got a simple solution. When gov't becomes so burdensome, like in 1776, then the 1st & 2nd Amendments give people the power to deal with the corrupt government. And if the gov't doesn't want that, then they need to avoid being such a big problem.