DC Plane Crash

[Sourdough]

For a simulated COG flight, they flew an erratic route.

 

[Sourdough]

I think the "mother" of all bomb shelters is at Camp David.

I also think there is a tunnel to it from the Capitol Buildings.

 

[Hardcalibres]

I think the "mother" of all bomb shelters is at Camp David.

I also think there is a tunnel to it from the Capitol Buildings.

.......The Raven Rock Mountain Complex (RRMC), also known as Site R, is a U.S. military installation with an underground nuclear bunker near Blue Ridge Summit, Pennsylvania

 

[Magus]

But Alex Jones has been right!

Most of the conspiracies have been. I think David Icke might be onto something, but he doesn't flip out and scream every few minutes. I miss William Cooper, crazy Art Bell, and Rush. I can't stand being yelled at if I agree with him. Let him scream at the skittleheads, trans, and woketards.

 

[SLADE]

All those poor kids.

This is my thought.

 

[Jim Costa]

From Jeff - It's a Bird, It's a Plane, No it's...​

See also:

Jim’s Daily Rant. Clif High Is Right. It’s Game Time ‘Cause They’re Broke.​

 

[Michele My Belle]

Most of the conspiracies have been. I think David Icke might be onto something, but he doesn't flip out and scream every few minutes. I miss William Cooper, crazy Art Bell, and Rush. I can't stand being yelled at if I agree with him. Let him scream at the skittleheads, trans, and woketards.

I miss Rush, too. He was a pioneer who paved the way.

Feb 6, 2020 — President Trump said he gave Limbaugh the nation's highest civilian honor
for "decades of tireless devotion to our country."

 

[Caribou]

A short article suggesting 5G was a factor.
https://halturnerradioshow.com/inde.../report-cause-of-crash-identified-5g-cellular

 

[Patchouli]

A short article suggesting 5G was a factor.
https://halturnerradioshow.com/inde.../report-cause-of-crash-identified-5g-cellular

If proven true then what will be the outcome? How many more accidents will happen and why aren’t more happening if it is true?
Reminder: leaked information doesn’t mean it’s true.

 

[Haertig]

A short article suggesting 5G was a factor.
https://halturnerradioshow.com/inde.../report-cause-of-crash-identified-5g-cellular

"...showed everyone the wrong altitude because of the 5G interference, and thus, neither the helicopter, the jet, nor the control tower knew the aircraft were headed into each other."

What aren't planes crashing into the ground and each other right and left if nobody knows their altitude any more? That seems like a pretty important thing to know, especially when you're landing. You'd think some pilot, somewhere, would have reported that they're sitting on the tarmac and their altimeter is reading 1000 feet. You'd think they might want to point that out to somebody...

 

[DrHenley]

A short article suggesting 5G was a factor.
https://halturnerradioshow.com/inde.../report-cause-of-crash-identified-5g-cellular

Although it's conjecture at this point, it is 100% consistent with what we know right now.

 

[Caribou]

"...showed everyone the wrong altitude because of the 5G interference, and thus, neither the helicopter, the jet, nor the control tower knew the aircraft were headed into each other."

What aren't planes crashing into the ground and each other right and left if nobody knows their altitude any more? That seems like a pretty important thing to know, especially when you're landing. You'd think some pilot, somewhere, would have reported that they're sitting on the tarmac and their altimeter is reading 1000 feet. You'd think they might want to point that out to somebody...

I don’t know what the answer is here. I’ll indulge in a little free thinking. Commercial and military pilots have been seeing UFO’s for decades but few report them. If you’re landing a plane you are more likely to believe your eyes than a gage. If you were worried about your altimeter and had it tested it would test accurate. This is probably an issue only when within a certain range of a G5 tower.

 

[Weedygarden]

All 67 bodies have been recovered. Now they are working on removing the wreckage.

 

[Pearl]

I responded with a sad face, but thankfully the families can have proper services for them!!

 

[Snowman]

Black Hawk helicopter’s altimeter may have been off, pilots may have missed some calls from control tower​

More than two weeks after the collision, investigators are continuing to examine the wreckage and flight data from both aircraft to reconstruct the events leading to the crash.



By Pete Muntean, CNN & Alexandra Skores, CNN & Dalia Faheid, CNN

Published Feb 14, 2025 5:56 PM CST | Updated Feb 14, 2025 5:56 PM CST

Washington, DC (CNN) — A preliminary analysis of the flight data and voice recorder on board a Black Hawk helicopter leading up to the collision with a commercial flight over Washington, DC, on January 29, indicated the helicopter’s altimeter may have been inaccurate and the pilots may not have heard some calls from the Reagan National Airport control tower, officials said.


The new data indicate the pilot and her instructor read out two different altitudes shortly before the crash, National Transportation Safety Board chair Jennifer Homendy told reporters at a briefing Friday.


The radio altimeter on board the Black Hawk at the time of the deadly midair collision read 278 feet, Homendy said. That altimeter uses a radio beam to show the helicopter’s altitude above ground level, but it may not have been what the pilots of the helicopter were referencing at the time of the crash, Homendy noted.

 

[Snowman]

The newly revealed data suggests the Army helicopter crew may not have realized they were flying higher than they were supposed to be when the aircraft collided with American Airlines Flight 5342 more than two weeks ago, killing all 67 people aboard both aircraft. The Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk, based at Fort Belvoir, Virginia, was flying a training mission in a dedicated helicopter route where it was not allowed to fly above 200 feet, according to a published FAA chart.


“What we don’t want to do is release radio altitude data so that people would blame the Black Hawk crew,” Homendy told CNN. “We need to know what they were seeing, and we can’t know that right now with the data we have, but we will get it.”


Homendy cautioned the information is preliminary and there are “inconsistencies” in the data. “It might not have been what the Black Hawk crew was seeing,” Homendy told CNN Friday. Homendy said the agency is trying to verify all the components of the helicopter.


“We are seeing conflicting information in the data, which is why we aren’t releasing altitude for the Black Hawk’s entire route,” Homendy said.


Determining the Black Hawk’s precise altitude at the time of the collision is seen as a crucial step in understanding how two aircraft collided under clear skies over some of the country’s most tightly controlled airspace.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/weat...-missed-some-calls-from-control-tower/1745359

 

[Haertig]

Determining the Black Hawk’s precise altitude at the time of the collision is seen as a crucial step in understanding how two aircraft collided under clear skies over some of the country’s most tightly controlled airspace.

The Blackhawk's altitude - this should not be hard to determine - was the same as the jet's altitude. Obviously.

Now, WHY the two aircraft were at the same altitude is the question that needs to be answered.

 

[Snowman]

“What we don’t want to do is release radio altitude data so that people would blame the Black Hawk crew,” Homendy told CNN.

“We need to know what they were seeing, and we can’t know that right now with the data we have, but we will get it.”

From Post # 136

 

[DrHenley]

The Blackhawk's altitude - this should not be hard to determine - was the same as the jet's altitude. Obviously.

Now, WHY the two aircraft were at the same altitude is the question that needs to be answered.

There are multple ways of determining altitude (radar, barometer, GPS, sonic, and laser) and the NTSB says that there is a discrepancy with the different altitude readings for the helo. What the helo crew saw on the barometric altimeter may have been wrong.

 

[Snowman]

For the Reading Impaired, I Shortened the Post to just the Vital Parts :

The new data indicate the pilot and her instructor read out two different altitudes shortly before the crash, National Transportation Safety Board chair Jennifer Homendy told reporters at a briefing Friday.


The radio altimeter on board the Black Hawk at the time of the deadly midair collision read 278 feet, Homendy said. That altimeter uses a radio beam to show the helicopter’s altitude above ground level, but it may not have been what the pilots of the helicopter were referencing at the time of the crash, Homendy noted.

“What we don’t want to do is release radio altitude data so that people would blame the Black Hawk crew,” Homendy told CNN. “We need to know what they were seeing, and we can’t know that right now with the data we have, but we will get it.”

Homendy cautioned the information is preliminary and there are “inconsistencies” in the data. “It might not have been what the Black Hawk crew was seeing,” Homendy told CNN Friday. Homendy said the agency is trying to verify all the components of the helicopter.

“We are seeing conflicting information in the data, which is why we aren’t releasing altitude for the Black Hawk’s entire route,” Homendy said.


Determining the Black Hawk’s precise altitude at the time of the collision is seen as a crucial step in understanding how two aircraft collided under clear skies over some of the country’s most tightly controlled airspace.

 

[DrHenley]

I think I know what happened. The NTSB believes that the helo crew was looking at the barometric altimeter. The barometric altimeter reading WAS NOT RECORDED on the black box. Nor was the GPS altimeter reading. The only alitimeter reading recorded was the radio (radar) altimeter reading because it is the most accurate. That read 278 ft at impact.

A barometric altimeter's accuracy can be affected by several factors, including changes in weather conditions and air temperature. Pilots must periodically recalibrate their altimeters to ensure accurate readings, especially when flying at different altitudes or in varying weather conditions. For example, if the indication of an altimeter is off by more than 75 feet (23 meters) from the surveyed field elevation, the instrument should be recalibrated according to Federal Aviation Administration guidelines.

Now take the fact that the helo was flying at 278 ft when it collided with the CRJ, and their ceiling was 200 ft, they may have fudged on calibrating the barometric altimeter since it was very close to that 75 ft discrepancy threshold.
For very high altitudes it is close enough without calibration, I mean what's 78 ft when you are at 40,000 ft? But close to sea level, 78 feet is an enormous difference, and in this case a life and death difference..

Here is the most recent press briefing in which they discuss the altimeters:

 

[Michele My Belle]

Black box discoveries discussed....

 

[Michele My Belle]

I think I know what happened. The NTSB believes that the helo crew was looking at the barometric altimeter. The barometric altimeter reading WAS NOT RECORDED on the black box. Nor was the GPS altimeter reading. The only alitimeter reading recorded was the radio (radar) altimeter reading because it is the most accurate. That read 278 ft at impact.


Now take the fact that the helo was flying at 278 ft when it collided with the CRJ, and their ceiling was 200 ft, they may have fudged on calibrating the barometric altimeter since it was very close to that 75 ft discrepancy threshold.
For very high altitudes it is close enough without calibration, I mean what's 78 ft when you are at 40,000 ft? But close to sea level, 78 feet is an enormous difference, and in this case a life and death difference..

Here is the most recent press briefing in which they discuss the altimeters:

And there was a suggestion that the training seat altimeter and the instructor's seat altimeter did not match at the time.

 

[Snowman]

Feb 14, 2025
The NTSB released their notes about the in cockpit communication inside the blackhawk helicopter. They also released what data they had, and didn't have. There were clearly many issues going on that night, all leading to tragedy over Washington DC.