Dems introduce bill banning assault weapons

[DrHenley]

I've never understood why so many people love these instruments of death so much.

Says the guy whose avatar is hugging his beloved rifle "Ol' Betsy".

 

[Squirtgunsquirter]

It is possible to prep and be anti-gun. Expand your mind a bit. Get out of your shell.

Is it possible for you to do the same? Can you wrap your head around gun owners who, like millions and millions of gun owners world wide, use them as the tools they are designed to be? That out of all the gun owners, the unfortunate few who use them to kill (outside of sanctioned acts during war) are the anomaly?

Expand your mind a bit. Think about all the guns out there that will never be pointed at a human being.

Just think about it. You have built up a wall of fear that has nothing to do with the vast majority of gun owners, including most of us on this site.

Just step away from the fear, and the indoctrination, and really think about it for a minute.

 

[user 6493]

Says the guy whose avatar is hugging his beloved rifle "Ol' Betsy".

Fess Parker played both Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett,,,,and one of them called the rifle

TIC LICKER,,,,hows that for trivia

 

[Squirtgunsquirter]

I am at peace with my ultimate fate, which is the ultimate fate of all of us. I am at peace with God. No matter what, I could not end the life of another human being. If the situation you mention presented itself, I would be ready to meet my maker.

God didn't put us on this Earth to just roll over and die, Skeeter.

Psalm 144:1 "Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle."

2 Samuel 22:35 "He trains my hands for battle, So that my arms can bend a bow of bronze."

I own an AR. I don't have any questionable mental issues, no criminal background (undetected crime is no crime at all!). The Bible contains umpteen references to men going to war, defending themselves and their beliefs, and their Faith through use of arms.

My "bow of bronze" just happens to be manufactured, in part, by Palmetto State Armory.

It must be difficult really. To want to be "prepared" but willfully fail not only at step one - defense of you and yours, but to also fail to understand that God would want you to stand up to evil.

You seem to be on the wrong side, don't you think?

What can you do to fix this?

 

[TexasFreedom]

It is possible to prep and be anti-gun.

Answer: No it is not possible. To prep means you are prepared to defend you and yours.

Skeeter, do you think God instructs us NOT to have weapons? Or would you argue OT vs NT? How about this:
Luke 22:36 He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

Why would Christ instruct his apostles to buy a sword, sacrificing their cloaks in exchange? The sword was the ultimate weapon of it's day, comparable to an AR-15. So before you get on with your fake news, give us a sermon on why Christ said to arm yourself. And if (when) you can't explain this away, you need to figure out what the real truth is.

 

[drt4lfe]

God never intended for any man to be a victim of those who do not believe in him....He wants those who believe to defend themselves and carry on that belief, IF you are not willing to fight for those beliefs ? you do not believe.....you are weak and I don't think God likes weak people who would lay down rather than fight when necessary....it's ok with me if you don't fight, I may come across your bones while knowing I fought and will continue to.....

 

[user 6493]

God never intended for any man to be a victim of those who do not believe in him....He wants those who believe to defend themselves and carry on that belief, IF you are not willing to fight for those beliefs ? you do not believe.....you are weak and I don't think God likes weak people who would lay down rather than fight when necessary....it's ok with me if you don't fight, I may come across your bones while knowing I fought and will continue to.....

well I do not believe ,,,,,but what I do know is the meek will not inherit the earth

 

[drt4lfe]

Whether you believe or not it still remains the same....you can defend yourself and your beliefs or get your bones walked on....

 

[Squirtgunsquirter]

One thing that every "expert" I have ever read, or listened to has agreed upon is that in any sort of long term collapse, or even decline, is that there will be violence.

In my threads on Human behavior in crisis, that's really what I am looking at. Sure, some places are fine, people band together, things go well. Other places, not so much.

 

[Skeeter]

I dream of a society that has conquered fear and hate, and weapons of all kinds are a thing of the past.

Maybe you're right. Maybe even though that is the ideal, I should still compromise my values and arm myself. That is a decision I cannot take lightly whatsoever, though.

 

[drt4lfe]

so now you might compromise your ideals ? I don't compromise mine, I'm well armed and no intention of changing...I also have common sense which say's I should be well armed....

 

[Tonto_]

so now you might compromise your ideals ? I don't compromise mine, I'm well armed and no intention of changing...I also have common sense which say's I should be well armed....

If that kind of sense was so common, the majority of people would be "well-armed". Since the majority are not, that isn't very "common sense".

 

[Skeeter]

The only way I would ever consider using deadly weapons if I had them was in a true SHTF scenario.

If society is still structured and "healthy" like it is now, I would let a thief steal my car and call the cops over shooting him.

 

[Dani]

Well you better buy a gun now Skeeter. . . in a true SHTF they won't be found easily. And if you have one, my bet is,your buddy who doesn't is going to want yours.

 

[TexasFreedom]

So I asked Skeeter this:

Skeeter, do you think God instructs us NOT to have weapons? Or would you argue OT vs NT? How about this:
Luke 22:36 He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
Why would Christ instruct his apostles to buy a sword, sacrificing their cloaks in exchange?

And I don't read an answer in his reply:

I dream of a society that has conquered fear and hate, and weapons of all kinds are a thing of the past.
Maybe you're right. Maybe even though that is the ideal, I should still compromise my values and arm myself. That is a decision I cannot take lightly whatsoever, though.

Then he said:

The only way I would ever consider using deadly weapons if I had them was in a true SHTF scenario.

You have no clue what SHTF means. You go home to find a 6'5" guy raping your sister. He turns to you and he's walking over to break you like a twig and rape you next. SHTF.
You are sitting in a movie theater and a nutjob walks in shooting everyone. STHF.
You are out walking with your lady one evening and a drug-loaded dude knocks you over & starts choking her to death screaming at demons in his head. SHTF.

Tell me which of these situations give you time to go out, get a weapon, get trained to use it, and get back to the situation to handle it properly?

Dude, the 5pm weatherman is not going to tell you when the SHTF in your life next Thursday. You are lucky to get 5 seconds notice. A "#MeToo" wristband will not stop them. A 2-hour self-defense class is not going to stop them. You will need lethal force and the grace of God to survive and keep yours safe. You cannot decide later; you decide now or never. I'm not being hard on you, I'm trying to protect you from really bad ideas. Does any of this make sense?

 

[Skeeter]

The odds of any of what you just said happening are slim to none. The odds are so small that constantly worrying about it would be considered an irrational phobia.

 

[Tonto_]

You have no clue what SHTF means. You go home to find a 6'5" guy raping your sister. He turns to you and he's walking over to break you like a twig and rape you next. SHTF.
You are sitting in a movie theater and a nutjob walks in shooting everyone. STHF.
You are out walking with your lady one evening and a drug-loaded dude knocks you over & starts choking her to death screaming at demons in his head. SHTF.

Tell me which of these situations give you time to go out, get a weapon, get trained to use it, and get back to the situation to handle it properly?

I know you didn't direct this question at me, but I'm going to answer it because I don't own any firearms.

The movie theater scenario is 1 in a billion. If we had stricter gun regulations, it would be more like 1 in a trillion.
A 6'5 guy raping my sister is going to get the living **** kicked out of him. Not many people on this earth can "break me like a twig" no matter how big they are.
A druggie choking my wife to death is going to be put to sleep courtesy yours truly.

Any other stupid scenarios for me to obliterate?

 

[Maverick]

The odds of any of what you just said happening are slim to none. The odds are so small that constantly worrying about it would be considered an irrational phobia.

Katrina wasn’t irrational, Andrew wasn’t either, I don’t think the New York black out was irrational phobia. Not to mention the riots going all way back to the watts riots.

Most here is not worried, just that being prepared is nothing more than a ‘just incase’ an Insurance policy if you will.

You come to a preppers site and you preach we are waisting our time next you come on here to state your disapproval for owning firearms. So why did you join knowing we have a strong opinion, was it to create arguments?

 

[Tonto_]

Katrina wasn’t irrational, Andrew wasn’t either, I don’t think the New York black out was irrational phobia. Not to mention the riots going all way back to the watts riots.

Most here is not worried, just that being prepared is nothing more than a ‘just incase’ an Insurance policy if you will.

You come to a preppers site and you preach we are waisting our time next you come on here to state your disapproval for owning firearms. So why did you join knowing we have a strong opinion, was it to create arguments?

It's funny you mention Katrina. Guess what happened to the gun-owners in that situation? The government took all of their guns. So if that's your example, you're not convincing anyone to stock up on guns. Quite the contrary, actually. Here's a video of all the brave "From my cold dead hands" folk chickening out when the swat teams showed up. Guess they're just all talk.

 

[Proud Prepper]

It's funny you mention Katrina. Guess what happened to the gun-owners in that situation? The government took all of their guns. So if that's your example, you're not convincing anyone to stock up on guns. Quite the contrary, actually. Here's a video of all the brave "From my cold dead hands" folk chickening out when the swat teams showed up. Guess they're just all talk.

This is because the local and Federal governments abused there power and committed a constitional crime. As a result new laws where passed as follows..
In 2006, moreover, President George W. Bush signed into law the Department of Homeland Security Appropriations Act, which contained an NRA-backed amendment sponsored by Sen. David Vitter (R-La.). The amendment prohibits persons acting under color of federal law, receiving federal funds, or acting at the direction of a federal employee from seizing or authorizing the seizure of lawfully-possessed firearms or imposing or enforcing certain restrictions on firearms during a state of emergency.

 

[Tonto_]

This is because the local and Federal governments abused there power and committed a constitional crime. As a result new laws where passed as follows..
In 2006, moreover, President George W. Bush signed into law the Department of Homeland Security Appropriations Act, which contained an NRA-backed amendment sponsored by Sen. David Vitter (R-La.). The amendment prohibits persons acting under color of federal law, receiving federal funds, or acting at the direction of a federal employee from seizing or authorizing the seizure of lawfully-possessed firearms or imposing or enforcing certain restrictions on firearms during a state of emergency.

If they violated our rights in the past, you can make darn certain they will attempt it again if backed into a corner. I don't trust them.

 

[Maverick]

It's funny you mention Katrina. Guess what happened to the gun-owners in that situation? The government took all of their guns. So if that's your example, you're not convincing anyone to stock up on guns. Quite the contrary, actually. Here's a video of all the brave "From my cold dead hands" folk chickening out when the swat teams showed up. Guess they're just all talk.

But if you know the courts ruled it was illegal. Also, protection was setup to prevent that from happening again. Also, that was only done in 1 city and Katrina affected more areas than 1 city.

Also Katrina was to illustrate a point anarchy!

 

[Tonto_]

But if you know the courts ruled it was illegal. Also, protection was setup to prevent that from happening again. Also, that was only done in 1 city and Katrina affected more areas than 1 city.

Also Katrina was to illustrate a point anarchy!

exactly. The government isn't willing to obey the rules when it comes to their best interests!

 

[Mountain trapper]

exactly. The government isn't willing to obey the rules when it comes to their best interests!

Even more reason for everyone to be armed.
During WW2 the Japs wanted to invade the West coast. What stopped them was they knew that there would be "an American behind every blade of grass with a gun".

 

[Tonto_]

Even more reason for everyone to be armed.
During WW2 the Japs wanted to invade the West coast. What stopped them was they knew that there would be "an American behind every blade of grass with a gun".

being armed doesn't stop the government, as seen in the above video. All the guns in the world isn't gonna protect you from a swat team.

 

[Mountain trapper]

being armed doesn't stop the government, as seen in the above video. All the guns in the world isn't gonna protect you from a swat team.

I can't think of any possible scenario where a swat team would ever come visit me.
It's absolutely within your right to be a passive non gun owner if that's what you choose.
BTW, I can't open the video on my phone.

 

[TexasFreedom]

I can't think of any possible scenario where a swat team would ever come visit me.

AD, sure you can. Let's say the next dem to steal the Presidential Election passes a law banning 'assault rifles' (or a local gov't official). They'd be there knocking down your door...

Or even worse, some liberal nutjob calls the cops telling them that a girl is being held hostage at your home (it happens all the time).

 

[drt4lfe]

If that kind of sense was so common, the majority of people would be "well-armed". Since the majority are not, that isn't very "common sense".

LOL....LOL.....clueless troll.....

 

[Gazrok]

This bill will never get traction, let alone passed.

WAY too far, and too fast. But then, that isn't the point. The whole point is that it WILL fail, and then the Dems can blame the GOP, even while many Dems vote it down as well.

 

[TexasFreedom]

I think 'troll' is the right description.

Let's see, this website is called "doomsday prepper forum". A guy comes in, says he doesn't want to own guns, that STHF will not happen, and that we're dreaming up scenarios...

Again, start with the website name... then look at the comments of this fool..