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Don’t let yourself, or your children, or grandchildren, die, trying to help someone during an emergency first aider situation. Don’t be a “Guinea pig” or a “canary in the coal mines” or your family or loved ones.
On Sept 7 2018. I finished a 2 day first aider training course. All of us, where shown pictures, of how much Heroin it takes to kill a person, and right beside that, how much Fentanyl it takes to kill you or a loved one. At most, 10 to 15 grains of sand sided pieces, of fentanyl, will kill you. Less for a smaller person, I would guess.
Mere skin contact will kill you, or otherwise cause grave bodily harm, to you, or loved ones.
During this standard first aid course. We were told to wear our personal protective gear, and how to properly take off your gloves. Basically, all your personal protective gear is gloves. Other personal protective gear was talked about.
During this part of the course dealing with a suspected drug “Over-Dose”. It was stressed how dangerous this drug is, and certain other drugs were mentioned too.
It was also mentioned a police officer over-dosed and died, from exposure basically. An extremely well trained and equipped police officer. Compared to the average lay person anyway, and especially compared to a scared young person.
I said “I’m not touching that person”. I should have also said, “I’m scared to touch the door handle now too.” I didn’t 100 percent realize at the time. But I should have also said ”I’m not going to be a Guinea pig, to make sure it’s safe for professional people. Having me or other lay persons, doing a head to toe examination still, in an extremely dangerous situation for myself personally.”
Professionals have the training, and equipment, and frankly, top end government life insurance, survivor benefits, if it comes to it. Maybe other life insurance to. They can get retrained to work in the government, doing something else. More people probably die, working at a corner store for low wages, than them still. Then again maybe not, in this situation.
In some ways, this drug is like a nerve gas agent, that happens to be a solid. As far as how much material is needed to kill. Very few people, even in an industrial situation, have access to such a dangerous chemical, lethal in such small quantities.
It was stressed many times during the course to not put yourself in personal danger. Causing a even greater need for medical personal during a actual ongoing medical emergency I guess. At the same time, we (lay persons) are supposed to do something extremely dangerous during a suspected drug over-dose situation. Where the odds of you or others dying, have greatly increased.
I do not believe personally, that this is the proper response “getting physically involved still”, for a lay person anyway, in a suspected “over-dose” situation. Especially minors too, young and naïve, and trusting of authority figures. Getting physically involved, and most likely also getting exposed like the dead police officer did. Rubbing up against that person, being in an awkward position, and rubbing up again surrounding objects like the floor, tables, chairs, personal clothing. Maybe Fentanyl particles in the air by that person.
You may think. Well, I simply will not help that person, other than by calling for help. What if it’s a loved one, or a friend, or a college at work or your child’s friend at school. You may forget then, or your good Samaritan child may forget. You need to not forget, especially your children. Friendly helping children. That means constant reminders and such. Especially on weekends (parties), when they might go somewhere else, where anybody can show up. It only has to happen once.
That over-dosed person may look like a business person or be a politician. I don’t care. Other than calling on my personal phone. I’m not getting involved. Not going to touch that person’s phone for sure. A suspected over-dosed, has taken place. It must be treated as a dire threat situation to your life, or a loved one’s life. Tell them, it’s ok to do nothing and I want you to, if your scared for your life (you better be). They in a deadly situation (always). With an unseen, deadly menace.
As far as I am concerned. If you see someone looking even unconscious and your are basically alone for sure. Best for safety sake, to treat it, as a drug over-dose situation. Call the authorities right away. An ambulance does not have to arrive.
You are talking to an expert, or more of an expert than you. I said when this was mentioned, that basically, you could have just walked into a scene of extreme violent. So, I’m going to get help, or call right away for help, right away basically. If 3 or 4 guys walk in, and decide to take your cell phone. There is nothing you can do really, about it, and anything else, they want to do to you, or a loved one.
If they need more dispatchers, they need more dispatchers. I can’t see, having a well-informed general public, having a problem with that.
I knew right away; how dangerous this situation is to me personally. How did the authorities, at best, not realize how dangerous this training, in this one situation was, and still is to the public at large? And you are told how dangerous it is, by the authorities. Implying “it’s your fault” if something bad happened, or your loved one’s fault.
So certain pampered groups, had a real, deadly dangerous situation, they might encounter anywhere, at any time. Threats of violence, deadly force, and breaking serious laws, has no effect, to increase their (professional) personal safety, in this situation.
It’s interesting to see, what was done to increase their own personal safety, in a situation like this. What politicians allowed them to do. Basically, using human shields to protect themselves. Even, and especially children. A party is probably the most likely place for this situation to occur. To your children anyway.
I assume, minors get the same first aider training, that might cause them to lose their life. Most likely to lose there life, or be seriously injured. If someone over-dosed for any reason and stops breathing fro any reason. Even if they are saved, brain damage still might occur. To one degree or another.
What gets done to one or can be, gets done to all or can be. Wherever that person is at that time, and one location. As soon as they want to, or circumstance permit.
Points “that one” or in this case “all of them.”
Extremely powerful people like people in the justice and medical community. Well powerful to you anyway, are extremely dangerous to deal with, or to be allowed to make decisions, that effect you, your family, and loved ones, and everyone else. When they do not have your best interest, always, front and center, in their minds with everything they do. Or your loved one’s best interest at heart.
Too bad. Know liars and worst, can not be trusted, to give an honest answer to honest questions. If you dare still to ask. Especially went it’s important, or convenient, for them to lie, and otherwise, be dishonest, even criminally so. With criminal behaviors too, maybe thrown in.
When the government, down plays the severity of an event or issue or if bad enough. The government, and national and other press, fail to even acknowledge it, to calm your justified anger at them, and not even let you know. The issue or real issue. Well. That in itself, is a de-fact-o coverup being done, to the general public at large by your government, and the press. Of how bad it really is at least, or even not giving you any clue about something, when bad enough. Yet again. Don't swear at them though, or the police will be called on you.
When a politician is forced to explain, to the general public, the severity or importance, of yet another thing they were in charge of. That they got caught doing or not doing (There actual job). (They always blame someone else). Whatever that issue or event is, probably events plural. Just one bad event talked about though.
God help you, because no one else will if no one knows “the truth”. Especially not the “justice” community or the medical community. If no one knows, or cares about, what’s being done to you and well me or everyone.
George Collins
A Human Rights Activist
Question: How many laypersons has this training already killed? Or injured (brain damaged)?
I have no internet access on Sundays right now. Or I would have put this out today Sept 9. Told some people though. The basics.
Save a life. Maybe more than one. Spread the truth far and wide.
On Sept 7 2018. I finished a 2 day first aider training course. All of us, where shown pictures, of how much Heroin it takes to kill a person, and right beside that, how much Fentanyl it takes to kill you or a loved one. At most, 10 to 15 grains of sand sided pieces, of fentanyl, will kill you. Less for a smaller person, I would guess.
Mere skin contact will kill you, or otherwise cause grave bodily harm, to you, or loved ones.
During this standard first aid course. We were told to wear our personal protective gear, and how to properly take off your gloves. Basically, all your personal protective gear is gloves. Other personal protective gear was talked about.
During this part of the course dealing with a suspected drug “Over-Dose”. It was stressed how dangerous this drug is, and certain other drugs were mentioned too.
It was also mentioned a police officer over-dosed and died, from exposure basically. An extremely well trained and equipped police officer. Compared to the average lay person anyway, and especially compared to a scared young person.
I said “I’m not touching that person”. I should have also said, “I’m scared to touch the door handle now too.” I didn’t 100 percent realize at the time. But I should have also said ”I’m not going to be a Guinea pig, to make sure it’s safe for professional people. Having me or other lay persons, doing a head to toe examination still, in an extremely dangerous situation for myself personally.”
Professionals have the training, and equipment, and frankly, top end government life insurance, survivor benefits, if it comes to it. Maybe other life insurance to. They can get retrained to work in the government, doing something else. More people probably die, working at a corner store for low wages, than them still. Then again maybe not, in this situation.
In some ways, this drug is like a nerve gas agent, that happens to be a solid. As far as how much material is needed to kill. Very few people, even in an industrial situation, have access to such a dangerous chemical, lethal in such small quantities.
It was stressed many times during the course to not put yourself in personal danger. Causing a even greater need for medical personal during a actual ongoing medical emergency I guess. At the same time, we (lay persons) are supposed to do something extremely dangerous during a suspected drug over-dose situation. Where the odds of you or others dying, have greatly increased.
I do not believe personally, that this is the proper response “getting physically involved still”, for a lay person anyway, in a suspected “over-dose” situation. Especially minors too, young and naïve, and trusting of authority figures. Getting physically involved, and most likely also getting exposed like the dead police officer did. Rubbing up against that person, being in an awkward position, and rubbing up again surrounding objects like the floor, tables, chairs, personal clothing. Maybe Fentanyl particles in the air by that person.
You may think. Well, I simply will not help that person, other than by calling for help. What if it’s a loved one, or a friend, or a college at work or your child’s friend at school. You may forget then, or your good Samaritan child may forget. You need to not forget, especially your children. Friendly helping children. That means constant reminders and such. Especially on weekends (parties), when they might go somewhere else, where anybody can show up. It only has to happen once.
That over-dosed person may look like a business person or be a politician. I don’t care. Other than calling on my personal phone. I’m not getting involved. Not going to touch that person’s phone for sure. A suspected over-dosed, has taken place. It must be treated as a dire threat situation to your life, or a loved one’s life. Tell them, it’s ok to do nothing and I want you to, if your scared for your life (you better be). They in a deadly situation (always). With an unseen, deadly menace.
As far as I am concerned. If you see someone looking even unconscious and your are basically alone for sure. Best for safety sake, to treat it, as a drug over-dose situation. Call the authorities right away. An ambulance does not have to arrive.
You are talking to an expert, or more of an expert than you. I said when this was mentioned, that basically, you could have just walked into a scene of extreme violent. So, I’m going to get help, or call right away for help, right away basically. If 3 or 4 guys walk in, and decide to take your cell phone. There is nothing you can do really, about it, and anything else, they want to do to you, or a loved one.
If they need more dispatchers, they need more dispatchers. I can’t see, having a well-informed general public, having a problem with that.
I knew right away; how dangerous this situation is to me personally. How did the authorities, at best, not realize how dangerous this training, in this one situation was, and still is to the public at large? And you are told how dangerous it is, by the authorities. Implying “it’s your fault” if something bad happened, or your loved one’s fault.
So certain pampered groups, had a real, deadly dangerous situation, they might encounter anywhere, at any time. Threats of violence, deadly force, and breaking serious laws, has no effect, to increase their (professional) personal safety, in this situation.
It’s interesting to see, what was done to increase their own personal safety, in a situation like this. What politicians allowed them to do. Basically, using human shields to protect themselves. Even, and especially children. A party is probably the most likely place for this situation to occur. To your children anyway.
I assume, minors get the same first aider training, that might cause them to lose their life. Most likely to lose there life, or be seriously injured. If someone over-dosed for any reason and stops breathing fro any reason. Even if they are saved, brain damage still might occur. To one degree or another.
What gets done to one or can be, gets done to all or can be. Wherever that person is at that time, and one location. As soon as they want to, or circumstance permit.
Points “that one” or in this case “all of them.”
Extremely powerful people like people in the justice and medical community. Well powerful to you anyway, are extremely dangerous to deal with, or to be allowed to make decisions, that effect you, your family, and loved ones, and everyone else. When they do not have your best interest, always, front and center, in their minds with everything they do. Or your loved one’s best interest at heart.
Too bad. Know liars and worst, can not be trusted, to give an honest answer to honest questions. If you dare still to ask. Especially went it’s important, or convenient, for them to lie, and otherwise, be dishonest, even criminally so. With criminal behaviors too, maybe thrown in.
When the government, down plays the severity of an event or issue or if bad enough. The government, and national and other press, fail to even acknowledge it, to calm your justified anger at them, and not even let you know. The issue or real issue. Well. That in itself, is a de-fact-o coverup being done, to the general public at large by your government, and the press. Of how bad it really is at least, or even not giving you any clue about something, when bad enough. Yet again. Don't swear at them though, or the police will be called on you.
When a politician is forced to explain, to the general public, the severity or importance, of yet another thing they were in charge of. That they got caught doing or not doing (There actual job). (They always blame someone else). Whatever that issue or event is, probably events plural. Just one bad event talked about though.
God help you, because no one else will if no one knows “the truth”. Especially not the “justice” community or the medical community. If no one knows, or cares about, what’s being done to you and well me or everyone.
George Collins
A Human Rights Activist
Question: How many laypersons has this training already killed? Or injured (brain damaged)?
I have no internet access on Sundays right now. Or I would have put this out today Sept 9. Told some people though. The basics.
Save a life. Maybe more than one. Spread the truth far and wide.
