EU ARMY???

[jontte]

, this pic pretty much tells you what the feelings are among my reservist friends here.... but we are not "central europeans" up here

translation ; rather a lion for a day , than thousand as a sheep..

 

[lonewolf]

something along the lines of : it is better to reign in hell than serve in heaven"....Paradise Lost. Milton.

 

[Gucci Operator]

Well...... no.

@EU-Army
In Austria we tend to think of it as a tool for the EU-bureaucracy to keep member states in line and crack down on uprisings against the EU-Regime.
Yes, meanwhile the larger part of people in western Europe think of the EU as an authoritarian socialist regime that is run by globalist puppet-masters(not by Germany).
Therefore there is no support for such an army and it wont happen.

@ANACONDA

#German peoples combat capabilities
If you are endangered to get your life ruined by a judge that is part of a socialist/liberal soaked justice system, you will think twice before you devastate a third world migrant over touching your wifes ass. These guys can loose their jobs, their freedom, their reputation, their family, their future over punching a migrant. So before Anaconda judges people about fighting migrants or not, things have to be put in context with the political climate, the momentary justic-system and the system-media which is all to eager to bring up stories about a bad Nazi punching three poor migrant "kids"(in their 30s) for racist reasons. I guess you will get away easier in the Ukraine for punching a bad behaving migrant then in Germany.
And thats the way it goes in Sweden, in the UK and other western european states. Change out the judges, adapt the laws and there will be a totaly different situation.

#Germans and Austrians talking on a forum, banning poor Ukrainian
I dont know what forum you are talking about, there is a magazine called "Profil" and its part of the system-media supporting socialist-leftwing-views. Thus, the people posting there are mostly socialist liberal gun grabbers. Its like saying the US have no balls because Californians want to ban guns and open the borders.

#Ukraine
You know..... many people in middle Europe see the Ukraine as the problem, not the Russians. The Ukraine is by now a corrupt puppet state of the EU-bureaucracy, funded by the european taxspayers. In fact the EU payed your gas-bills with our taxes to not have you frozen to death! So dont talk down on fighting-capabilities of other countries if you Ukrainians barely can survive the next winter on your own.

 

[ANACONDA]

#German peoples combat capabilities
If you are endangered to get your life ruined by a judge that is part of a socialist/liberal soaked justice system, you will think twice before you devastate a third world migrant over touching your wifes ass. These guys can loose their jobs, their freedom, their reputation, their family, their future over punching a migrant. So before Anaconda judges people about fighting migrants or not, things have to be put in context with the political climate, the momentary justic-system and the system-media which is all to eager to bring up stories about a bad Nazi punching three poor migrant "kids"(in their 30s) for racist reasons. I guess you will get away easier in the Ukraine for punching a bad behaving migrant then in Germany.
And thats the way it goes in Sweden, in the UK and other western european states. Change out the judges, adapt the laws and there will be a totaly different situation.

I do not deny that it is your misfortune, and not your fault. But making a choice is worth remembering :
“You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour, and you will have war.' - To Neville Chamberlain”
― Winston Churchill

#Ukraine
You know..... many people in middle Europe see the Ukraine as the problem, not the Russians. The Ukraine is by now a corrupt puppet state of the EU-bureaucracy, funded by the european taxspayers. In fact the EU payed your gas-bills with our taxes to not have you frozen to death! So dont talk down on fighting-capabilities of other countries if you Ukrainians barely can survive the next winter on your own.

This is what all the Russian media, without exception, say 24 hours a day, аnd so 5 years in a row...
Considering what astronomical sums Russia is investing in propoganda in Europe, I did not expect to hear anything else from you.
I am more surprised that you did not write about the marches of fascists,, rampant anti-Semitism fnd death camps for Russian speakers in Ukraine. )))

 

[Gucci Operator]

I do not deny that it is your misfortune, and not your fault. But making a choice is worth remembering :
“You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour, and you will have war.' - To Neville Chamberlain”
― Winston Churchill


This is what all the Russian media, without exception, say 24 hours a day, аnd so 5 years in a row...
Considering what astronomical sums Russia is investing in propoganda in Europe, I did not expect to hear anything else from you.
I am more surprised that you did not write about the marches of fascists,, rampant anti-Semitism fnd death camps for Russian speakers in Ukraine. )))

In todays western world you have to choose your battles wisely. In Austria its still better then in Germany or the UK. Here we have a right to armed self defense and the legal system is not that ****** up like in Germany or the UK.

About the media..... all the media that is pro Ukraine is mainstream media. The european mainstream media is like BBC or CNN, its fake news. Mainstream media in Europe is all about the glory of the EU, the poor "refugees" (which we know as third-world-thugs) that should be let in by the millions and the mainstream media is pro Ukraine and anti-Russia.

Do you see our problem? We have a mainstream media that is constantly bombarding us with fake news that benefits the globalists agenda. Nobody believes them anymore, like nobody with a clear head would believe most of what CNN reports. And now we should believe them when they pick on Russia at every oportunity, making them look like the worst badguys in the world, while the poor Ukrainians suffer unrighteous at their barbaric hands?
Hell Hillary Clinton is a declared enemy of Russia and that alone is a sign that Putin is doing all right.

What we see here is Russia getting provoked on every front. Its a miracle WW3 hasnt already started.

 

[ANACONDA]

In todays western world you have to choose your battles wisely. In Austria its still better then in Germany or the UK. Here we have a right to armed self defense and the legal system is not that 性交ed up like in Germany or the UK.

About the media..... all the media that is pro Ukraine is mainstream media. The european mainstream media is like BBC or CNN, its fake news. Mainstream media in Europe is all about the glory of the EU, the poor "refugees" (which we know as third-world-thugs) that should be let in by the millions and the mainstream media is pro Ukraine and anti-Russia.

Do you see our problem? We have a mainstream media that is constantly bombarding us with fake news that benefits the globalists agenda. Nobody believes them anymore, like nobody with a clear head would believe most of what CNN reports. And now we should believe them when they pick on Russia at every oportunity, making them look like the worst badguys in the world, while the poor Ukrainians suffer unrighteous at their barbaric hands?
Hell Hillary Clinton is a declared enemy of Russia and that alone is a sign that Putin is doing all right.

What we see here is Russia getting provoked on every front. Its a miracle WW3 hasnt already started.

Information that the media serves is not to be believed. This information needs to be analyzed and made its own conclusions, based on logic, knowledge and own life experience.
Go to the site from which you usually read the news and look at the number of comments left by readers regarding writing.
By the number of comments, it can be concluded that readers are analyzing the news or simply swallowing it.
Yesterday I visited about a dozen Austrian news sites and did not see on one that the readers left comments.
I hope these were not the sites that are popular with you.

 

[DrHenley]

Gucci, Russia invaded Ukraine, and seized the Crimea. How can they be the victims here?

Sure I believe that there could be corrupt Ukrainian politicians, they are politicians after all. And I'm sure there are all sorts of undercurrents involved in the whole situation.

 

[DrHenley]

Let's not forget that in 1991 Ukraine had the third largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world. They voluntarily surrendered that stockpile to Russia in exchange for security assurances and financial aid. Now look where those "security assurances" got them - INVADED.

 

[tmttactical]

Let's not forget that in 1991 Ukraine had the third largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world. They voluntarily surrendered that stockpile to Russia in exchange for security assurances and financial aid. Now look where those "security assurances" got them - INVADED.

Same thought process about giving up your guns. Big Brother will protect you. Same -same --- Disarm the country -- Disarm the people = same results, government rules the people, no longer serves the people.

 

[jontte]

Let's not forget that in 1991 Ukraine had the third largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world. They voluntarily surrendered that stockpile to Russia in exchange for security assurances and financial aid. Now look where those "security assurances" got them - INVADED.

so can you trust Ivan??

 

[user 7368]

Lady Merkel suggests a lot more, but in the end everything stays the same or gets even worse. The German Army is financially dead and Lady von der Leylen, in her time as a military leader, has made the German Army almost completely dead. At the moment the rest of the cadres are tearing themselves apart because of possible right-wing extremist incidents.
England is out of the EU and France has military +/- still something to say, but at the moment all European states have too many problems of their own and can't even protect their borders. The Turkish president Erdogan can blackmail Europe to the letter and ignites various conflicts. Merkel is afraid of Erdogan, he has about 2 or even millions more Syrian refugees in stock, which he can send to Europe at any time, that's why European politicians are afraid to do anything against him. Europe is blackmailable, everybody knows that, and since Merkel let two million refugees enter uncontrolled in 2015/2016, the political climate in Europe is very poisoned.
At the moment everything revolves around Corona, the countries can suddenly close the borders again completely, which they could not do in 2015/2016 according to their own statements, it is a wrong game. Sooner or later the EU will go to the dogs, there are too many construction sites and too many problems, above all, there will never be an agreement.

 

[GaRp58]

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Quite tough words from Switzerland. All countries COULD close their borders if needed, the only problem is: closed borders means no more trade movement and imports. LOTS of rich and greedy people do not want that. Many Many Europeans are feeling safe and comfortable with the borders open, wearing a mask and hoping for a vaccine.
They will be disappointed I believe. The corona is still spreading, the borders are halfway closed and a vaccine will not help against the possible 270 and more mutations of the Corona Virus according to the Hungarian laboratories...
Just get ready for a possible second Spanish Flu, millions of deaths like, situation again. Keep clean, keep away from strangers and take your vitamins...GP

 

[user 7368]

Europe cannot and does not want to close its borders, the governments are too weak and work only against its own people. What does Switzerland still want to achieve with a 100,000 man army? Nothing more, everything is saved for death and most of the army is no longer trained for conflict and most of the facilities have been cleared and walled up.
Concerning Corona, I say we have to learn to live with it, we will probably never get rid of it, here in the media and the government only panic is created and the population is divided, there are already online forms in Germany where people who do not follow the Corona rules can report anonymously to the authorities. France and Sweden are also torn apart internally, police and firefighters had massive fights in the streets at the beginning of the year, at the moment many things are being stopped with a lockdown because of Corona.
Europe will not have its own army on its feet, Europe has too many other problems and Corona will probably be the coffin for Europe. I personally am ready to flee if it comes to that, what is going on here is not good anymore and will lead to a police state in the near future, democracy has died here since Corona.

 

[David SB]

It is all tied into... The Great Reset

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...cal-plan-to-transform-the-economy/ar-BB15XGsU
Agenda 21 all spruced up.... These people are forever dedicated to one world government with all of us being the serfs and they will be the nobility

 

[DrHenley]

Every megalomaniac believes if they could just run the whole world, not only could they could solve all the problems in the world, but they could live like kings because they alone deserve to.

 

[GeorgiaPeachie]

Europe cannot and does not want to close its borders, the governments are too weak and work only against its own people. What does Switzerland still want to achieve with a 100,000 man army? Nothing more, everything is saved for death and most of the army is no longer trained for conflict and most of the facilities have been cleared and walled up.
Concerning Corona, I say we have to learn to live with it, we will probably never get rid of it, here in the media and the government only panic is created and the population is divided, there are already online forms in Germany where people who do not follow the Corona rules can report anonymously to the authorities. France and Sweden are also torn apart internally, police and firefighters had massive fights in the streets at the beginning of the year, at the moment many things are being stopped with a lockdown because of Corona.
Europe will not have its own army on its feet, Europe has too many other problems and Corona will probably be the coffin for Europe. I personally am ready to flee if it comes to that, what is going on here is not good anymore and will lead to a police state in the near future, democracy has died here since Corona.

To bring the people to their knees with no options for survival other than the world power elites has been the plan for a long time.

 

[GaRp58]

Reset, NWO, Meglamaniacs, WW3, whatever is coming, just get your family ready to go back to living under severe hardships and tough decisions. YOU are the only person you can trust in the end. OUR decisions and the repercussions to each decision,,,ends at our front door or garden. WE can only decide what we will do, say or not accept until they come and knock "ON" or knock "DOWN" the front door.
Even if you do not believe in all the possible theories of TEOTWAWKI and SHTF. Keep your eyes and ears open, watch your psychological dispostion, love your family so much that all that overflows in their hearts comes back to you and pray to what you call God for a gentle death or a loving life.
TOMORROW IS PROMISED TO NO MAN. Live free, TODAY. Gary

 

[Mountain Dragon]

@ban1985

Don't forget that Merkel don't wanna loose one of the better customers (Turkey) of the german military industries - so they let pass many no go's from Erdogan. At least it's (as usual) an question of the money.

I' don't see any problems with an european army in the next time. As long the germans even aren't able to bring their own army on an functional level they are far away from an EU- coordinated military group.
But yes, as i see those days (or months) the Germans try to take over the lead in the EU together with the French. There was btw already this year an discussion to bring France and Germany together in one State...

 

[DrHenley]

There was btw already this year an discussion to bring France and Germany together in one State...

Isn't that kind of like mixing oil and water? LOL. Or have the French and German people changed THAT much? Yes I know the leaders of the two countries have often been cozy, but the people?

 

[Mountain Dragon]

It was this summer (if i'm remember correctly) an serious topic between Merkel and Macron. Further they really signed an bilateral contract (Contract of Aachen, Vertrag von Aachen – Wikipedia - in german unfortunately) to renew the German - French Friendship and alliance. Seriously no joke. Really bad people (as myself) say the french need the money the germans have....
The citizen are not so euphoric as the leaders i guess and as i heard from german an french friends. Seems the WW2 is still not really forgotten completly.

 

[user 7368]

Now France is a state with enough problems of its own, what do they want with Germany with a common army. Thanks to two women at the helm, the German army has NEVER done military service and has NEVER eaten in the dirt in the field. France still has an army but is sinking more and more into civil war and has enough bomb problems with immigrants. There will probably never be an EU army unless Russia takes over the EU, then we will have an army in Europe but the government will then be in Moscow, I don't know if that would be better.

 

[BillMasen]

All part and parcel of the plan for Greater Germania as designed by Hitlers archetect Albert Speer via Odessa then the Common market - EEC - EC - EU . Britain saw the writing on the wall AGAIN and is trying to move away from association with the EU and move towards the much better CANZUK trade agreement that will allow free travel, tariff free trade and right of residence between the UK, New Zealand, Australia and Canada. All nations with a common language, shared head of state, similar culture, and parliamentary type democracies.