Gangs

[Clyde]

It sure does, were so restricted in what we can do, our Government is so freaking anal, we cant do anything, we cant even complain about how we are treated as second class to immigrants, who get everything handed to them. The Human Rights Act (Google it) is more like the Criminals Charter as it gives more rights to criminals than the victim.

We cant even fly the 'flag' (our Union Jack) outside our property in case we offend all these damn immigrants. We don’t (cant) even celebrate St Georges day FFS.

I thought we had it bad will illegal immigration. At least I can still fly the flag! Our state gov't here in california is giving the illegals everything under the sun to include, but not limited to; free education, driver's licenses, and i am sure they are looking for more to give them. All 12 million of them. The gov't wants to give them amnesty. They think that will solve the illegal immigration problem. They tried amnesty in the 1980's if I recall correctly, and it didn't do a damn thing.

I am not against immigration, it just needs to be done correctly.
More embarrassing, Our federal gov't allowed the president of mexico to stand in our capital, and lecture us on how we treat illegals, and that we should let them all in. mexico is know to shoot the illegals sneaking in their southern borders, and have harsher laws than does the us.

Never mind what the actual citizens need.... We'll just hand the farm over to the illegals!

 

[pooky2483]

I thought we had it bad will illegal immigration.

This made me smile

 

[Krime]

dude, Mexico has crazy laws that would get riots going in USA if they were established here!
ill look for this news artical i have, itll make you crazy!

 

[Clyde]

This made me smile

Well, according to the caption under the picture Theresa May has a double identity.

 

[Hades]

Its just sad that China could build a wall to protect thier border over a thousand years ago, and we cant do it now.

 

[pooky2483]

Its just sad that China could build a wall to protect thier border over a thousand years ago, and we cant do it now.

And we got Hadrians Wall here lol. England/Scotland border

 

[hj1984]

"oh ****...kill shot, kill shot! He turned it sideways!" <---- from the movie Date Night....hilarious

 

[hj1984]

And don't worry...they only have one hand free cuz their other hand is holding up their pants

 

[Hades]

And don't worry...they only have one hand free cuz their other hand is holding up their pants

LMAO

 

[alabaster]

Gangs are a real problem now, but I think they will sort themselves out to an extent during DD... There will be stronger, smarter gangs that you need to worry with, but like the majority of the populace, they are not preparing. They are(mostly) not training for anything other than up close personal combat, and even that is marginal. Look at how many innocents are hit in their shootings. I will bet SERIOUS $ that they have virtually NO survival experience and their whole hope prides on being able to "Overpower" the enemy. Well, when there are "Gangs" of DDP'ers who HAVE trained, and DO have survivalist experience, and ARE willing to engage to weed out the evil then we will see who's around in another 365...

We have had gangs here since the 80's when crack blew up. It grew and grew through the 90's and is now finally on the downturn. We still have them, but not EVERY KID is in one anymore. Most of the ones that are still around are the larger and more organized groups like MS13, etc. We have a bunch of cute little squirts that like to claim crip or blood, but they're all just "Livin' the dream". Living wiht mom and dad up on the hill in a 500k house and playing tough guy for their buddies.. Most of them would cry like a girl if you smack them in the mouth. NEver mind if gun play actually came up.

IN the end, this is what we prepare for. Not beef over drug turf or over a prosti ring.... We prepare for self preservation. We prepare to survive in circumstances that most others don't want to contemplate...

 

[Shawn]

We have some "wannabe" gang members in Muskogee...but if they got out in the woods they would be lost. If a natural disaster happened and they came onto my land....well, lets just say that they would be messing with the wrong person. A Barrett M82A1 .50 cal can reach out and touch someone...then when they get closer I can pick from a choice of 24 long rifles like my Remington 700 SPS with Nighforce scope...down to AR15, FN/FAL...or go toone of my 27 handguns like my Colt 1911, Beretta 92FS...and so on. I feel more comfortable in the woods than what they would feel...

Most "gangstas" around here are teenage punks and would not even stand a chance in the woods against someone who has served in the special forces community

 

[Kevin]

My wife and I used to live in Venice Beach and to tell you the truth we never had much of a problem. There were some sketchy areas, but I would just be friendly to whoever crossed our path. I think they respect that.

 

[ranjen]

So does everyone in this post know each other and twenty other preppers that they plan with on a daily basis?

 

[ranjen]

This is where i see the problem with gangs coming in to play They do get training, they might not be focused on the survival stuff by they do have a form of orginization think about it, they have a leader and when the SHTF hits the fan they will be the first to act out goimg for all the food and water killing the non preppers as they storm the stores. I see gangs atleat the more organized ones ie.. MS13 posing a problem for preppers post SHTF imho, not to mention Military and Police posing a threat

 

[alabaster]

TRUE. THe bigger and more organized gangs will definitely be a problem. Have plenty ammo and remember your fundamentals. It's harder to hit a moving target than stationary one(s).Shoot

I think you made another good point in there, too. WOrking with others essentially can make you a "Gang" too. THere's power in numbers. One of my fellow preppers and I have decided it would be best to run in a military style as far as arms and commands go. Someone may be better wiht a bolt gun and be a good designated marksmen. They might make a great sniper to watch the perimeter. Some might be good with a shotgun or an AR. It will pay dividends to know your gear. ALL OF IT. Guns to lighters to knives and cordage. First aid, and all. Get organized and actually train with them like we are taught to do with arms. That way it's all second nature and we're not scrambling for everything from coms to water. We'll definitely have a leg up if we intend to. We're clearly smarter and have better resources...:america:

 

[Clyde]

TRUE. THe bigger and more organized gangs will definitely be a problem. Have plenty ammo and remember your fundamentals. It's harder to hit a moving target than stationary one(s).Shoot

I think you made another good point in there, too. WOrking with others essentially can make you a "Gang" too. THere's power in numbers. One of my fellow preppers and I have decided it would be best to run in a military style as far as arms and commands go. Someone may be better wiht a bolt gun and be a good designated marksmen. They might make a great sniper to watch the perimeter. Some might be good with a shotgun or an AR. It will pay dividends to know your gear. ALL OF IT. Guns to lighters to knives and cordage. First aid, and all. Get organized and actually train with them like we are taught to do with arms. That way it's all second nature and we're not scrambling for everything from coms to water. We'll definitely have a leg up if we intend to. We're clearly smarter and have better resources...:america:

I also figure gang members are some what lazy so if you do bug out a good distance away from a city you are probably good, and would know they are headed your way.

 

[ranjen]

See I don't disagree with you Clyde but at the same time I can't fully agree. I was apart of one of the first units into afghan, and I can honestly say one of America's greatest downfalls was the troops on the ground and and there belief that we were fighting savages and that it would be a cake walk, remember when your backed up against a wall u have two choices fight or die. We should all be cautious and not underestimate anyone in a WROL situation. We might just find that some off these "groups" will thrive.

 

[Clyde]

See I don't disagree with you Clyde but at the same time I can't fully agree. I was apart of one of the first units into afghan, and I can honestly say one of America's greatest downfalls was the troops on the ground and and there belief that we were fighting savages and that it would be a cake walk, remember when your backed up against a wall u have two choices fight or die. We should all be cautious and not underestimate anyone in a WROL situation. We might just find that some off these "groups" will thrive.

I agree. I know there would be roving gangs of bandits. Some probably well organized!
Part of the problem we had in both Afghanistan and Iraq, is that it was so easy during the first gulf war, that most leaders probably thought the same thing would happen this time.

 

[ranjen]

exactly

 

[HarrySachs]

I should be far enough away that im hoping they kill each other off and run out of ammo.
Also as stated above, as individuals they are weaker and thrive because citizens arent
allowed to thin them out lol.

 

[Krime]

My fear with some of these gangs, is that some will get stronger by a shtf situation because of the new experiences of warfare, thievery, etc. Like a damn virus that gets used to antibiotics.
The smarter/more experienced they become, the more dangerious/deadly our shtf situation will become.
Up to the point where our would be homesteads might have to become a somewhat gang in itself.

 

[Krime]

My fear with some of these gangs, is that some will get stronger by a shtf situation because of the new experiences of warfare, thievery, etc. Like a damn virus that gets used to antibiotics.
The smarter/more experienced they become, the more dangerious/deadly our shtf situation will become.
Up to the point where our would be homesteads might have to become a somewhat gang in itself.

..........i call "Dead Rabbits Clan" just to call it first rofl

 

[ARMY127]

They may but the problem is they are criminals not disciplined individuals who take orders well. When the SHTF they will mostly fall apart or break into smaller fractions. It happened when the Crips started then got to cocky and the whole gang fractured into little gangs that fought with each other for control of a few blocks this way or that way. If you have a group of preppers that are willing to work together and you have the time to lay out the proper security and do the training to find out everyone's strengths and weaknesses you will have a group that could take on almost anyone with maybe the exception of a Army BCT. Any gang could be easily defended against with the proper preparations. They do not practice and go to gu. Ranges and outside of 20-25 FT they are useless with a weapon. There are exceptions I am sure but few not many. If you get your group together find a good place to train and have military personnel in your group to help with this training you will be ready to take the fight to anyone who attempts to enter the Homestead area.

 

[Kenny Lee]

Well the motocycle gangs will be an issue until gas runs out or turns bad. Not too worried about the inner city gangs. Got no aim, and little common sense outside of street smarts and urban survival skills. There could be people with survival skills, ex-military, or charismatic cult leaders who can become mini-roving warlords. Why I am moving up north to NH, if the SHTF the people with any common sense will head south to warmer climates because the winter will F them up. It is going to be like Stalingrad Mother winter will handle the hoards.

 

[realisticdude]

I feel the gangs will try to rule the inner city areas that they know well, they aint coming out to see us good old boys in the woods . so, if you live in the city, better plan on bugging out. The police or National guard will not protect you. Gangs dont respect a damn thing and will kill you , rape your wife and then kill her...............and yes I do know a little about gangs after living in New Orleans for 15 years.

 

[jeepgirl]

I wouldn't worry too much about gangs...they will turn on each other when there's nothing left to live for...drugs, money..I think it depends where you live what kind of gangs you have. The gangs stretch out across the U.S. and are in a lot of schools. Some gangs are a joke..basically a bunch of kids that think they are badass but they are also the people that don't value life and will be smiling in the streets when the government is carting them off to Summer Camp!(because the Government takes care of it's people) haha If everything fell apart, wait a month, and more than half of society will be gone from killing each other!

I don't think gangs of today will thrive..it will be people who found each other and have survived to rummage and steal to keep surviving.

 

[old_anorak]

I know this is going to sound racist, but the thing with the gangs is that the second they started to try to come into this area, everyone would know. They would stick out like a sore thumb. This area is so scarily white, it's anemic.

 

[jjrfs]

I got a great link on this forum (I forget where) to a blog written by a guy who survived in a SHTF scenario for a year during the Bosnian/Serbian conflict. His city was surrounded by the enemy army and dissolved into chaos. The most telling thing about human nature during SHTF is that no matter who you think you know during regular times (neighbors, colleagues, police, etc), their capability for malice or good comes out during that kind of time. He said that normal people formed gangs for survival, and that there was a gang headed by a "normal guy" neighbor of his he'd never think was capable of the kind of cruelty he saw. Find it here: http://shtfschool.com

I worked in South Central Los Angeles for 3 years, and generally the gangs left you alone if you left them alone. As others have said in this thread, they're mostly interested in killing each other over stupid offenses. Existing gangs have codes, and if you're not affiliated with their world/turf/businesses they leave you alone. That being said, you should understand which areas are gang areas, their colors, codes, value system, etc. When SHTF, I'd be more worried about people who are making the new chaotic world their playground and surviving at whatever costs.

 

[WilliamAshley]

Gangs are a lot like partnerships. I think that gangs that take into consideration SHTF type situations and prepping will do well. Bear in mind both the hells and angels and russian mafia evolved from the military, Hell's founded by vets after WWII and Russian Mafia being an offshoot of the old soviet military leadership after the collapse of the USSR. If you look at these guys club houses though take for instance the old bunker in Montreal or their desire to buy up old Canadian government nuke bunker out in Alberta, which led the government to demolish it... shows them way more prepared than the government itself.
government just has more revenue stream. They included violence and defence in their planning, only the most serious organized crime groups actually consider defence against other organized crime groups and the government, in that respect they are their own government. If mainstream government fails all shadow governments will be well positioned to fill the power vacuum, as they are already part of it.

Gang member have support, but basically prepper groups are gangs, they just arn't engaged in criminal activities.

Personally I've encountered a lot of people associated with organized crime in my life, I've also encountered a lot of people associated with the military, in general they are pretty much the same sort of peoples. I would say 70-80% of the population is involved directly or indirectly with organized crime.

 

[WilliamAshley]

take for example grow ops, they can quickly be turned into hydroponics labs for food. Or just eat the weed