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I'm wondering if any of you grow citrus? If so, do you have any recommendations or knowledge about growing them?

If you live where it is warm enough, you can grow citrus outside. If you live where it freezes, you can grow citrus in pots that you move out after the last frost, and back in when it gets cool.

I have seen people's lemon and lime trees with fruit that grew indoors in pots.

I do know that citrus can be finicky. They can drop their leaves when you change their environment. It is recommended to have a humidifier for them if you live in a dry climate. I do live in a dry climate and none of my plants lost leaves when I brought them in this fall.

@Snowman mentioned in the seed exchange thread that he is looking for orange seeds.

During the pandemic, I planted some grapefruit seeds and have 4 grapefruit plants. The largest is about a foot tall.

Last fall, 2023, I planted a lemon seed and it is about 6 inches tall. I repotted it a couple months ago, and again today, now a 3 gallon pot. It had some roots circling in the bottom of the pot, so it needed a bigger pot.
Relative to how fast it is growing, I know that it will need a larger pot in a few months. I am thinking that at some point in time, the top will need to be cut off so that it will be a dwarf, or semi-dwarf.

I do know someone who grows some in a greenhouse in Colorado.

I purchased a Meyer lemon and a lime this spring. None of these are very large, around a foot tall, and I expect that it might be a few years before they produce fruit. I have seen a few citrus plants in people's houses that produced fruit.
 
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Here in S.C. zone 8a, a few friends grow citrus trees in pots in their garage in winter.
I have a wild orange that will grow here outside year around, but it is bitter.
People south of us in lower S.C. zone 8b have some citrus outdoors year around.
I am not sure if it is very cold hardy variety or very warm in that area.
 
I bought both a lemon and a lime from HD this last summer and potted them in Dollar store mop buckets, but kept them outside next to the house for better protection, with the idea of them getting used to colder temps so I could eventually plant them in the yard. Not sure that's going to happen though.

So far we've had a mild winter, but has gotten into the 30's and even an occassional frost. They have grown and flowered and even have fruit on them but is only about the size of an apple seed. I finally brought them into the house as we will be dropping into the 20's by next week. The lemon looks ok, but the lime isn't happy. Lots of leaf drop, and turning brown.

I am still thinking of planting them out this spring, then mulching heavily before next winter in the hopes they'll survive. I'm not holding my breath, but in my yard you either make it or you don't, no extra coddling


I did a little reading up on growing them and seen that limes don't like wet feet, that may be a tricky one here in the wet PNW. Oh well, I had to give it a try
 
I bought both a lemon and a lime from HD this last summer and potted them in Dollar store mop buckets, but kept them outside next to the house for better protection, with the idea of them getting used to colder temps so I could eventually plant them in the yard. Not sure that's going to happen though.

So far we've had a mild winter, but has gotten into the 30's and even an occassional frost. They have grown and flowered and even have fruit on them but is only about the size of an apple seed. I finally brought them into the house as we will be dropping into the 20's by next week. The lemon looks ok, but the lime isn't happy. Lots of leaf drop, and turning brown.

I am still thinking of planting them out this spring, then mulching heavily before next winter in the hopes they'll survive. I'm not holding my breath, but in my yard you either make it or you don't, no extra coddling


I did a little reading up on growing them and seen that limes don't like wet feet, that may be a tricky one here in the wet PNW. Oh well, I had to give it a try
Do the pots have drain holes?

Ben
 
Meyer Lemons seem to do good in cool climates, I've seen many growing here in southern Oregon, however it is probably best to grow them in green houses where they will probably produce better crops and will be out of the chem trail fall out, we had a problem with that making our green beans look like they had gone trough a frost, exactly the thing that Dane Wiggington explained was happening.
 
I'm in 8b and trying to grow surinam cherries in lick tubs outside. I have 4 plants going and am covering them up while they are little and it is less than 30 degrees. They take a long time to grow!
I have never heard of a Surinam cherry. I searched for it and found this about it.

https://specialtyproduce.com/produc... fruits will have a,find it an acquired taste.

Description/Taste
Surinam cherries are small fruits, averaging 2 to 4 centimeters in diameter, and have an ovate to round, slightly flattened appearance. Each fruit is deeply ribbed, showcasing 7 to 8 vertical ridges, and the skin is thin, smooth, delicate, and glossy. The fruit’s surface will transition from hues of green, orange, red, to red-blue and crimson when ripe, depending on the variety. It is important to note that Surinam cherries should only be consumed when mature. Unripe fruits will have an unpalatable and unpleasant, sour and bitter flavor. Underneath the skin, the flesh is orange-red, aqueous, soft, and sticky, encasing 1 to 3 flat seeds that should be discarded. When ripe, Surinam cherries will be soft to the touch and detach easily from the stem. The fruits will have a sweet-tart, acidic flavor with mild, earthy, and subtly bitter nuances, sometimes reminiscent of the vegetal earthiness found in green bell peppers. Surinam cherries have an unusual, often polarizing flavor, with some consumers appreciating the flavor, while others find it an acquired taste.

Seasons/Availability
Surinam cherries are available at different times worldwide, generally throughout the spring, fall, and winter. Some regions may also have multiple crops in the spring and fall, depending on the climate.

Current Facts
Surinam cherries, botanically classified as Eugenia uniflora, are tropical fruits belonging to the Myrtaceae family. The small, flattened fruits grow on evergreen shrubs or small trees, reaching between 7 to 9 meters in height, and thrive in tropical to subtropical climates worldwide. Surinam cherries are native to South America, but the fast-growing, hardy plant has readily naturalized worldwide due to being planted as an ornamental in home garden landscapes. Despite their “cherry” moniker, Surinam cherries are not botanically a cherry and are fast-ripening fruits that mature in approximately three weeks after flowering. There are two main varieties, a dark red crimson cultivar and a more common blue-red varietal, and both types must be consumed only when ripe. Surinam cherries are also known as Brazilian cherries, Florida cherries, Cayenne cherries, and Pitanga cherries. Historically, the plants were grown as an ornamental hedge, but some consumers gather the fruits as a culinary ingredient and incorporate them into baked goods, desserts, preserves, and sauces.

Nutritional Value
Surinam cherries are a good source of vitamin A to maintain healthy organ functioning and vitamin C to boost the immune system. The fruits also contain antioxidants to protect the cells against free radical damage, calcium and phosphorus to strengthen bones and teeth, and iron to develop the protein hemoglobin for oxygen transport through the bloodstream. In Central and South America, parts of the Surinam cherry tree are used in natural medicines to create a concoction from essential oils to fight against a common fungus known as Paracoccidioidomycosis. The leaves are also used topically or scattered across floors for their pungent smell as an insect repellant.

Applications
Surinam cherries have a sweet-tart flavor well suited for fresh and cooked preparations. The fruits should only be consumed when ripe, and once harvested, they can be sliced in half, removing the seeds, and stored in the refrigerator for a couple of hours. Allowing the fruits to sit in the cold temperature will help reduce their resinous flavor. The sliced fruits can also be sprinkled with sugar to enhance their sweetness, incorporating the fruits as a topping over fresh baked goods, ice cream, and custards. Surinam cherries can be chopped and mixed into green salads and fruit bowls, quick-pickled, or simmered into sauces, relish, and compotes. The fruits can be used similarly to berries in baking, and when cooked with sugar, they can be infused into jellies, jams, and fillings for pastries or used to flavor syrups for cocktails. In Brazil, Surinam cherries are popularly fermented into wine and spirits, used to flavor vinegar, or boiled with water to make a juice. Surinam cherries pair well with vanilla, caramel, chocolate, fruits such as strawberries, blueberries, cherries, and raspberries, honey, and maple syrup. Whole, unwashed Surinam cherries will keep 2 to 5 days when stored in an open container in the refrigerator. The fruits have a delicate nature when ripe and should be handled with care as they can be easily bruised, punctured, or squished.

Ethnic/Cultural Info
Surinam cherries were once a beloved hedge plant in Florida, but over time, the evergreen shrubs quickly grew into one of the state’s most problematic and invasive species. The plants were introduced to Florida in the 1930s as a tropical ornamental for home gardens, and Florida gardeners appreciated the variety for its full, dense nature. Surinam cherries were often considered one of the hardiest hedge plants for property borders, and the species became so popular that it acquired the name Florida cherries. Common sweet cherry cultivars were not typically grown in Florida, so consumers adopted the Surinam cherry as a cherry-like symbol of the state. Despite the plant’s favor as a colorful addition to landscapes, Surinam cherries began to escape cultivation in the 1980s, destroying many natural habitats. The plant’s aggressive tendencies became so extensive that the Florida Exotic Plant Pest Council marked the species as a category II invasive plant in 1991 and later a category I, the most severe type of invasive species. Suriname cherries are still common throughout Central and Southern Florida. The pest council advises that the plants should be destroyed in both home gardens and in the wild to prevent the plant’s spread, as birds enjoy eating the fruits and scatter the seeds, further expanding the species’ growth.

Geography/History
Surinam cherries are native to South America and are primarily found along the eastern coast, spanning Surinam, French Guiana, southern Brazil, Guyana, Paraguay, and Uruguay. The evergreen shrubs have been growing wild since ancient times and generally thrive in tropical climates, where they grow into dense wild thickets and are sometimes cultivated in home gardens as an ornamental. Over time, Surinam cherries were spread to Colombia, Argentina, Venezuela, and Central America and quickly naturalized among the native landscape. Experts believe Portuguese explorers introduced Surinam cherries to the Caribbean, India, Europe, and later in the early 20th century, the plants were brought to the Philippines, Israel, and Florida. Today Surinam cherries survive in tropical to subtropical climates and are grown worldwide, found in Asia, Southeast Asia, Australia, Europe, Africa, and the Americas. When in season, Surinam cherries are primarily foraged from wild and home garden plants and are sold through local markets.
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I have a myer lemon tree and a clementine tree but neither of them does well here. They are in pots since obviously I have to keep them inside in winter . Last winter almost all the leaves fell off but they came back when I put them outside. I do fertilize them
So far no fruit
 
My olive tree didn't like wet feet. I backed off watering it. I poke my finger in the soil about 3 inches. If it feels dry it get water. Maybe once a week. It is happier now.

Ben
I read that about olives. I do the same thing, poking my finger into the soil to check for moisture. They do grow in the Middle East, in somewhat arid areas. But they also grow in areas where there is more moisture. I had two of them, and I did kill one due to lack of watering when I was gone for a few days. The surviving one continues to be happy, putting out new growth and producing lots of flowering buds. It won't be long and I think I should repot it, even though it has only been a couple months since I did that previously.
 
My olive tree didn't like wet feet. I backed off watering it. I poke my finger in the soil about 3 inches. If it feels dry it get water. Maybe once a week. It is happier now.

Ben
Yep, that's about what I do with everything before watering.


After the 20 something degree temps last night, I'm sure both the lemon and lime are much happier inside the house. I'm not sure they would survive planted in the yard, even with a heavy mulching. That idea was because I didn't want to have to move them back & forth, especially as they grow bigger. I'm not sure how big the lemon (I think a Meyer) will be, but I did read limes can get to 15ft. They are already twice the size from when I bought them this past summer.
 
I read that about olives. I do the same thing, poking my finger into the soil to check for moisture. They do grow in the Middle East, in somewhat arid areas. But they also grow in areas where there is more moisture. I had two of them, and I did kill one due to lack of watering when I was gone for a few days. The surviving one continues to be happy, putting out new growth and producing lots of flowering buds. It won't be long and I think I should repot it, even though it has only been a couple months since I did that previously.


Where did you get the olive starts??

Are they the same or similar to the olives grown in Cali?
 
Where did you get the olive starts??

Are they the same or similar to the olives grown in Cali?
They periodically sell them at Trader Joe's. They are probably available at other places. Trader Joe's get products that they only have available for a little while, until they sell out. I don't go there often, but I always look at plants and flowers there.
 

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