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I know it sounds intrusive, but who exactly is listening.

DP,
I bet Trump thought the same thing when he said on that RV after the interview "grab girls by their *****". Yup, he said the same thing, who exactly is listening?

My answer: the swamp is listening. And it is being recorded and stored for the next 100 years in case they ever need leverage on you. Google. NSA. FBI. Chinese, Russians, take your pick.

They record a 20 year old college kid get drunk and sleep with a prostitute, or him smacking his girlfriend. Do this for 10 million young men. In 30 years, some of them are going to be powerful politicians. Dig back, find those recordings. How much power will Google have over that politician if he knows they have that audio?

Very nice: well said. Have you all noticed that a lot of local small-city newpapers have a sort of ersatz paywall that says you have to answer questions by Google to read the article you clicked to? And they seem innocent, but I realized ---- after five years of these questions, they know EVERYTHING about you. I never do them. All the same, they get us, Big Data knows everything about each of us. It's too late.
 
I really don’t know why anyone would want on of these devices in their home?

Well, I thought it could do alarms to wake up and also read books to me. I bought two! But the fact is, they react to the TV words and start talking in a creepy way, and EVERY time the power goes out, when it comes back on at 2:30 AM in the bedroom, Echo bellows a lot of turn-out verbalizations: so much for sleep for the next two hours. And we lose power a lot.

There was so much unwanted talkie-talkie from Echo that I unplugged both of them. Too bad. Himself didn't much care for the always-on listening business, either. Not that we say anything anyone would really care about, but what's to like, you know?
 
The sound of me walking around the condo, the bolt closing CLACK on the AR, the magazines dropping on the floor, talking about taxes, talking about guns, talking about politics, talking about prepping....

To me its the same as having someone sitting right there with a notepad. HEY MAN! YOU NEED TO GTFO! Here, don't forget your notepad.

Imagine that, someone could literally know what time I typically do dry fire practice. Do they care? Of course not. Should they know? Of course not.

I will not pay to have a possible spy/snitch in my house, the thought freaked me out when I was a kid and read 1984. The wallbox that was always on...
 
The sound of me walking around the condo, the bolt closing CLACK on the AR, the magazines dropping on the floor, talking about taxes, talking about guns, talking about politics, talking about prepping....

To me its the same as having someone sitting right there with a notepad. HEY MAN! YOU NEED TO GTFO! Here, don't forget your notepad.

Imagine that, someone could literally know what time I typically do dry fire practice. Do they care? Of course not. Should they know? Of course not.

I will not pay to have a possible spy/snitch in my house, the thought freaked me out when I was a kid and read 1984. The wallbox that was always on...

Apparently there was a murder a few months ago and the State subpoenaed the Echo --- the guy said he came home and found his wife dead. The Echo...............................told rather a different tale, of a quarrel, threats in hubby's voice, gunshots......Amazon was very unhappy about this unwelcome development. Yeah, could be a problem there. It records everything and overwrites to the last hour, as I read the article ---- and that was enough for this case.

I am probably not encouraging you to buy one. :)
 
My wife bought two of them, for the exact same reason as you. I said no way. Very small fight, she figured out they kind of suck for what she wanted, and gave them to a friend.

I may choose to engage in criminal behavior at some point. Who knows?
 
My wife bought two of them, for the exact same reason as you. I said no way. Very small fight, she figured out they kind of suck for what she wanted, and gave them to a friend.

I may choose to engage in criminal behavior at some point. Who knows?

Interesting! She also bought two, like me. Well, darn. I wish I liked them better, and I'm not as worried about eavesdropping as some, but the creepy talking at us at odd moments, too often! Not good. And not as responsive as they should be to verbal commands. I can yell and yell at it to turn off the wakeup alarm, but does it do it? Not reliably. \

Waste of money, I think now. We'll see: maybe later it will command all sorts of things. I tried that device that lets it turn on lights and such, but I can't say it worked plausibly. I could turn on the desk lamp but it took an extra two-three seconds and I was sitting right by the switch, so ---- why. Not a fan, really, as of now.

I got it to read books to me, loudly. But it really won't answer the voice commands well, and so I have to go over and hit its switch. It IS louder than the iPad, so I'll keep them "in case." But I'm back to the iPad for books while cooking.
 
Mundame, I'm no Luddite, but I really feel like this stuff is getting out of hand. And my friends, one special forces/ninja/international spy and man of action, one former Wall Street Quant (and former New York Philharmonic cellist!), and a few rural gun owning "good old boys" really do feed my paranoia. The Military friend is SO over-the-top about secrecy as part of daily life, the ex wall street algorithm writer is 100% convinced that the economy is going to crash, so much so that he moved here and bought a rural farmette to drop off the grid on, and my friends from Illinois, well, they are from Illinois. Enough said. We are all pretty much paranoid whack jobs.

I also realize I'm getting on in years. But it just seems like too much. Your smartphone may or may not be tracking your every movement. Every phone conversion can be plucked out of the air easily. Your car snitches on you when you get in an accident. Everything is connected to... something. The internet?

I just don't buy into it. That's my future? My privacy is gone, move on? No way. I use a tracphone, I change it every few months. I move a lot. A lot. I drive a 1972 Ranchero, it doesn't even have an automatic choke, let alone a computer in it. My wife and I are planning on moving into an Airstream, and basically sort of... skirting the edge of dropping off the grid. Not out of fear or paranoia, but because we just don't like how all this is going. This condo? We will never own it. Don't pay taxes, or the association fee for a while? Out.

I don't think things were "better back then" I don't believe in a golden age, but I DO believe things were simpler, and more private. And, nothing is forcing me to buy into the "concessions" of modern day technology.

I have never bumped into anything while looking at my phone. I feel good about that.

I have no feelings either way for anyone who loves tech, 800$ phones, whatever, I get it. I don't look down on it, that's their choice, no problem whatsoever.

It's just not my choice. I want to live an unremarkable life. Facebook wouldn't help with that goal.

Facebook, Ha!
 
Glad to hear there’s at least one other person left that’s not on Facebook! This site is enough of an addiction for me!
I too am not worried about anyone spying on me since I’m not into illegal activities. I do find it disturbing though. I don’t like the idea of every word recorded and then used out of context by someone with less than honorable intentions.
 
Very nice: well said. Have you all noticed that a lot of local small-city newpapers have a sort of ersatz paywall that says you have to answer questions by Google to read the article you clicked to? And they seem innocent, but I realized ---- after five years of these questions, they know EVERYTHING about you. I never do them. All the same, they get us, Big Data knows everything about each of us. It's too late.

They’re doing that here. It amazes me that people answer these questions which leads to you having to put in your email address so you get tons of spam.

If they’d just scroll down to where it says ‘skip survey’.....
 
... the ex wall street algorithm writer is 100% convinced that the economy is going to crash, so much so that he moved here and bought a rural farmette to drop off the grid on...

This is the one I'm interested in. I read a lot of prepper fiction and the sunspot thing, natural EMP, doesn't interest me or seem plausible (I know, it really did happen in 1972 or something close). I'm more interested in human-caused failure cascades, from terrorism or war or ---- financial collapse, and this last is the one I really believe in.

I read the Wall Street Journal, and they have articles on how worried the big banks are about major hacks that just shut it all down. They have trouble enough with the millions they lose in regular hacks every year.
 
He writes algorithms for a living, and tried to explain some of it to me, but that was a wasted effort lol. He said he could show me mathematically that within 10 years something has to give. We all know we cant just keep printing money, what he tried to explain was more specific than that, I'm sorry I cant explain it better. At any rate, he is a really smart guy, who was (he still does freelance work) deep into the nuts and bolts of trading, and he says it is all a house of cards held up by low interest rates from the FED. He gets animated talking about it, he really encourages me to get my financial affairs in order, not for a terrific future and awesome Cabo retirement, but so that I can get set up for a sharp crash, and a National crisis, then a long slow decline along the lines of the great depression.

That's his take. He is pretty convincing, honestly. I mean, he left a huge house and pretty fabulous lifestyle to live in an old farmhouse that has water, acreage, and orchards. Hugelculture, sustainability, he is into all that. Real prepper. His wife...not so on board.
 
Glad to hear there’s at least one other person left that’s not on Facebook! This site is enough of an addiction for me!
I too am not worried about anyone spying on me since I’m not into illegal activities. I do find it disturbing though. I don’t like the idea of every word recorded and then used out of context by someone with less than honorable intentions.

Another no-Faceplanter here too.
I also think it's not so much the snooping per se, more the fact that they do at all.
 
I've never been stupid enough to put enough of my personal life on the internet for people to connect the dots. Even if they did, it's hardly the end of the world, I'm very boring and hardly worthy of the effot.
 
My daughter thought I was crazy when I refused to get on Assbook. My son, however, saw things the same way I did.

All of my suspicion have been confirmed...
 
I was on it for awhile but it was so BORING! people talking about where they went, who with and what they had for lunch!! I came off, that must have been about 5 years ago.
 
FWIW...

My son and I are both IT professionals, but when it comes to things like Assbook we are both Luddites.
 

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