How to explain what can happen with cashless society

[BillMasen]

its also the most likely way to go after your guns, EG perhaps a $150 tax on every brick or tub of ammo ( to pay for Obamacare they will claim) licence magazines, licence and require very expensive gun liability insurance for every gun citizens own. and other such typical socialist tactics.

 

[GeorgiaPeachie]

its also the most likely way to go after your guns, EG perhaps a $150 tax on every brick or tub of ammo ( to pay for Obamacare they will claim) licence magazines, licence and require very expensive gun liability insurance for every gun citizens own. and other such typical socialist tactics.

Communist camel has already said she wants to TAX every single weapon!

 

[Jayson]

Imagine the federal government being able to see and record every gun, ammo, food, fuel and other prepper purchase and be able to see how much gear you have bought and cached.

Billy-Bob Clinton signed Executive Order 12919 in June 1994 that allows the Feds to seize all food and water resources from the private and public sectors.

 

[Maverick]

It's not a matter if but when we go to a cashless society, the Federal Reserve has been wanting to do this since the 80s, the banks control the FR by law, they always have since it's forming in 1913 under the Federal Reserve Act. The one thing a bank hates more than anything and that's cash withdraws thus less control over the cash. The Federal Government wants a cashless society for more nefarious purpose, better control of the people, both the FR and Federal Government are under no moral obligations when it comes to control of the populace so both have there reasons. Don't be surprised when the Governments outlaw the ownership of gold, "Under current federal law, gold bullion can be confiscated by the federal government in times of national crisis" Don't think it can't happen, Emergency Banking Act Executive Order 6102 in March 1933 put limitation on gold ownership repealed December 31, 1974, we will see this kind of restrictions in a cashless society or worse.

But.. all this isn't coming soon, cash still reigns king and isn't going to lose that title anytime soon. The only one keeping the cash wars alive is credit card companies and digital banks.

 

[BillMasen]

Billy-Bob Clinton signed Executive Order 12919 in June 1994 that allows the Feds to seize all food and water resources from the private and public sectors.

And a cashless system tells the state that you HAVE bought the food, fuel, watyer, ammo, medicines etc.

 

[Maverick]

Billy-Bob Clinton signed Executive Order 12919 in June 1994 that allows the Feds to seize all food and water resources from the private and public sectors.

EO12919 is amendment to early Defense Production Act of 1950 EO, Clinton didn't put that in the EO, it's been in earlier EOs since the early days of the cold war of the 50s

"This order delegates authorities and addresses national defense industrial resource policies and programs under the Defense Production Act of 1950, as amended ('the Act'), except for the amendments to Title III of the Act in the Energy Security Act of 1980 and telecommunication authorities under Executive Order No. 12472.' The following are superseded or revoked: (1) Section 3, Executive Order No. 8248 of September 8, 1939, (4 FR 3864). (2) Executive Order No. 10222 of March 8, 1951 (16 FR 2247). (3) Executive Order No. 10480 of August 14, 1953 (18 FR 4939). (4) Executive Order No. 10647 of November 28, 1955 (20 FR 8769). (5) Executive Order No. 11179 of September 22, 1964 (29 FR 13239). (6) Executive Order No. 11355 of May 26, 1967 (32 FR 7803). (7) Sections 7 and 8, Executive Order No. 11912 of April 13, (41 FR 15825, 15826-27). (8) Section 3, Executive Order No. 12148 of July 20, 1979, (44 FR 43239, 43241). (9) Executive Order No. 12521 of June 24, 1985 (50 FR 26335). (10) Executive Order No. 12649 of August 11, 1988 (53 FR 30639). (11) Executive Order No. 12773 of September 26, 1991 (56 FR 49387), except that part of the order that amends section 604 of Executive Order 10480. (b) Executive Order No. 10789 of November 14, 1958, is amended by deleting ''and in view of the existing national emergency declared by Proclamation No. 2914 of December 16, 1950,'' as it appears in the first sentence. (c) Executive Order No. 11790, as amended, relating to the Federal Energy Administration Act of 1974, is amended by deleting ''Executive Order No. 10480'' where it appears in section 4 and substituting this order's number. (d) Subject to subsection 904(c) of this order, to the extent that any provision of any prior Executive order is inconsistent with the provisions of this order, this order shall control and such prior provision is amended accordingly"

 

[Maverick]

A lot of misinformation and flat out lies on the internet by keyboard commandos, a lot of this misinformation comes from one source in which he makes money on scaring the shxt out of people.. alex jones.

 

[Jayson]

EO12919 is amendment to early Defense Production Act of 1950 EO, Clinton didn't put that in the EO, it's been in earlier EOs since the early days of the cold war of the 50s

"This order delegates authorities and addresses national defense industrial resource policies and programs under the Defense Production Act of 1950, as amended ('the Act'), except for the amendments to Title III of the Act in the Energy Security Act of 1980 and telecommunication authorities under Executive Order No. 12472.' The following are superseded or revoked: (1) Section 3, Executive Order No. 8248 of September 8, 1939, (4 FR 3864). (2) Executive Order No. 10222 of March 8, 1951 (16 FR 2247). (3) Executive Order No. 10480 of August 14, 1953 (18 FR 4939). (4) Executive Order No. 10647 of November 28, 1955 (20 FR 8769). (5) Executive Order No. 11179 of September 22, 1964 (29 FR 13239). (6) Executive Order No. 11355 of May 26, 1967 (32 FR 7803). (7) Sections 7 and 8, Executive Order No. 11912 of April 13, (41 FR 15825, 15826-27). (8) Section 3, Executive Order No. 12148 of July 20, 1979, (44 FR 43239, 43241). (9) Executive Order No. 12521 of June 24, 1985 (50 FR 26335). (10) Executive Order No. 12649 of August 11, 1988 (53 FR 30639). (11) Executive Order No. 12773 of September 26, 1991 (56 FR 49387), except that part of the order that amends section 604 of Executive Order 10480. (b) Executive Order No. 10789 of November 14, 1958, is amended by deleting ''and in view of the existing national emergency declared by Proclamation No. 2914 of December 16, 1950,'' as it appears in the first sentence. (c) Executive Order No. 11790, as amended, relating to the Federal Energy Administration Act of 1974, is amended by deleting ''Executive Order No. 10480'' where it appears in section 4 and substituting this order's number. (d) Subject to subsection 904(c) of this order, to the extent that any provision of any prior Executive order is inconsistent with the provisions of this order, this order shall control and such prior provision is amended accordingly"

I’m sure the rich and powerful elite are exempt from these Executive Orders.

 

[Brent S]

EO12919 is amendment to early Defense Production Act of 1950 EO, Clinton didn't put that in the EO, it's been in earlier EOs since the early days of the cold war of the 50s

"This order delegates authorities and addresses national defense industrial resource policies and programs under the Defense Production Act of 1950, as amended ('the Act'), except for the amendments to Title III of the Act in the Energy Security Act of 1980 and telecommunication authorities under Executive Order No. 12472.' The following are superseded or revoked: (1) Section 3, Executive Order No. 8248 of September 8, 1939, (4 FR 3864). (2) Executive Order No. 10222 of March 8, 1951 (16 FR 2247). (3) Executive Order No. 10480 of August 14, 1953 (18 FR 4939). (4) Executive Order No. 10647 of November 28, 1955 (20 FR 8769). (5) Executive Order No. 11179 of September 22, 1964 (29 FR 13239). (6) Executive Order No. 11355 of May 26, 1967 (32 FR 7803). (7) Sections 7 and 8, Executive Order No. 11912 of April 13, (41 FR 15825, 15826-27). (8) Section 3, Executive Order No. 12148 of July 20, 1979, (44 FR 43239, 43241). (9) Executive Order No. 12521 of June 24, 1985 (50 FR 26335). (10) Executive Order No. 12649 of August 11, 1988 (53 FR 30639). (11) Executive Order No. 12773 of September 26, 1991 (56 FR 49387), except that part of the order that amends section 604 of Executive Order 10480. (b) Executive Order No. 10789 of November 14, 1958, is amended by deleting ''and in view of the existing national emergency declared by Proclamation No. 2914 of December 16, 1950,'' as it appears in the first sentence. (c) Executive Order No. 11790, as amended, relating to the Federal Energy Administration Act of 1974, is amended by deleting ''Executive Order No. 10480'' where it appears in section 4 and substituting this order's number. (d) Subject to subsection 904(c) of this order, to the extent that any provision of any prior Executive order is inconsistent with the provisions of this order, this order shall control and such prior provision is amended accordingly"

Wether it’s an actual law or not, soldiers throughout history have come in and taken whatever resources they needed. Some left IOU’s, some simply shot the current residents if they resisted. Many today don’t think anything like this could happen but if you look through history it’s happened time and time again. My best advice is never keep all your eggs in one basket. That way if anyone with more and bigger guns than you come and take your basket then at least you still have the other ones you squirreled away.

 

[lonewolf]

I dont mind a cashless society post SHTF thats a different kettle of fish, but a cashless society NOW means using cards for everything and they can be tracked by anyone who has the computer skills.
it also means no open markets and no car boot sales/flea markets and that would be a shame.

 

[Petoski]

Indeed. Tax you on everything and know everything you buy. This is why i prefer swapping goods for goods and time for time.

 

[Oddcaliber]

Another factor is that if the power grid does go down nobody can access any money.

 

[Petoski]

Another factor is that if the power grid does go down nobody can access any money.

Or a hacker takes it all. I always keep a paper copy of my bank statements and a portion of cash hidden away. I think I read somewhere that banks have no legal obligation to refund you for stolen money when stolen electronically. Not sure if this was just in the UK or not.

 

[lonewolf]

my bank statement says otherwise, I am covered for any loses up to a certain limit which is more than I have in the account anyway.
I do not bank online.

 

[JosephBlough]

ME
digital money can be hacked out of your account. And government can take it with the right orders. If the card readers are down for any time there will be no payments made, no buying or selling.

HIM
not worried about being hacked as I have never been hacked in my 8 years of having the same account. If you're getting hacked, most people know rather quickly and the bank makes it right. Also algorithms in the banks that will notify you of anything suspicious like when I flew to Phoenix 2 years ago and the bank called me and asked if I was in Phoenix. What "right orders" do you mean? Child support etc.?

Ask your friend to DuckDuck "civil forfeiture." That'll change his mind real quick if he thinks the government isn't willing to take his money. Under the auspices of protecting the public from drug dealers, police are allowed to seize cash from people if they suspect it was acquired from drug dealing. There are loads of examples on the web where the police have overstepped their boundaries and citizens have had to spend oodles in lawyer fees to get their cash back.

Bottom line: The government will abuse their power when they get permission to do so from the people.

 

[backandbeyond]

I would have thought a cashless society, which I have been reading about since 1980, would still be a ways off. With these extremist virus measures taken by government though I'm not so sure. All they have to do is cook up stories about the virus being transmitted by the notes and they will have the sheeple behind them all the way. Cash has already been demonized in the media along these lines.

 

[backandbeyond]

it also means no open markets and no car boot sales/flea markets and that would be a shame.

Where there's a will, there's a way

 

[lonewolf]

Where there's a will, there's a way

maybe but here they've always operated on a strictly cash basis.

 

[DrHenley]

it also means no open markets and no car boot sales/flea markets and that would be a shame.

We can get a glimpse of what this would look like right now in China. The street vendors take electronic payments. Your mobile phone is your wallet. Everyone in China is required to carry a mobile phone and have it with them at all times.

 

[lonewolf]

that only works over here with a Smart phone and an App, my phone isnt a smart phone and dosent take apps.

 

[Dies Irae]

Not a fan of the idea that literaly every transaction can be viewed by someone. Buying new car?Going for groceries?bought a bus ticket? Good now they see what kind of car you drive + where did you go with that car ( only if you stop to get gas on the way, they see you making supply shopping so they will know where to send Fema or someone similar to get your stuff and give it away to those less fortunate, care to explain why you took that bus from X to Y when acording to our data you had no bussiness being there.

Cashless society is the perfectly tracked society as well. Not to mention that a lot of countries world wide are thinking about using the China good citizen credit score. You wont be able to buy even a damn nail if you dont behave like the state want you to behave.

Also all transactions data will be tied with everything else. Ip adress,licences,city surveilance,all your virtual accounts ( from facebook through email to that accound on hand knited baskets you created years ago) anything and everything will be stored,checked,validated and taxed or punished if its out of line.

People WILL be forced to behave and states,cities,countries are needing cashless society to make a perfect whip to scare everyone into submision.

Sorry for the long rant

 

[backandbeyond]

Not a fan of the idea that literaly every transaction can be viewed by someone.

People WILL be forced to behave and states,cities,countries are needing cashless society to make a perfect whip to scare everyone into submision.

Sorry for the long rant

I share your misgivings but I take comfort in the fact that there will only be thousands of people trying to monitor millions in such a world. Computers can crunch numbers but in the end a human has to look at a set of data to decide if someone is a "person of interest" worthy of a door knock.

I believe at this stage it's more about profits, about tailoring products to people. One thing is for sure though, the illegal drug industry, which world banks could not survive without, would have to continue under such a system. Also if you locked the druggies out of their fix you would have cities turning upside down overnight. Very complex all of it.

 

[DrHenley]

I share your misgivings but I take comfort in the fact that there will only be thousands of people trying to monitor millions in such a world. Computers can crunch numbers but in the end a human has to look at a set of data to decide if someone is a "person of interest" worthy of a door knock.

China monitors close to one and a half billion people. Pretty effectively too. But you have to remember that they have neighborhood snitches everywhere, so if one of the snitches reports suspicious activity, then BAM! they have your every move on record.

 

[Dies Irae]

I share your misgivings but I take comfort in the fact that there will only be thousands of people trying to monitor millions in such a world. Computers can crunch numbers but in the end a human has to look at a set of data to decide if someone is a "person of interest" worthy of a door knock.

I believe at this stage it's more about profits, about tailoring products to people. One thing is for sure though, the illegal drug industry, which world banks could not survive without, would have to continue under such a system. Also if you locked the druggies out of their fix you would have cities turning upside down overnight. Very complex all of it.

Someone in this thread said something like : when there is will there is a way.

Reminds me of a situation here in Czech Republic few years back. We had junkyards which were buying off any kind of scrap metal or elektronics.you bringed it in and they gaved you cash for it. Lot of people ( mainly gypsies) started to bring in stuff like street lamps,manhole covers or support beams from different structures.... simply stuff which is dangerous if its missing. Our government made a law that junkyards are not allowed to give you cash,only transfer it through bank so you can be tracked down if you sold something like stuff mentioned. Pretty fast our junkyards became pawn shops which were not restricted by the new law.

People are really inovative and clever when it comes to making money.

 

[backandbeyond]

China monitors close to one and a half billion people. Pretty effectively too.

Yes, it would suck to live there. In the cities at least. I don't know how well their system works up in the mountains though. Getting far from central authority is the secret. With governments it's always a numbers game, if they can net 99% of the people they are happy and won't waste resources on a few farmers up on a remote hillside.

The problem for us is that we are wealthy, and our wealth ties us to the system and to the central authority.

 

[backandbeyond]

Reminds me of a situation here in Czech Republic few years back...

People are really inovative and clever when it comes to making money.

that's a good tale, and yes, people will always find a way around things. The hard part is getting over your fear of authority. When 99% of the people around you are sheep bowing down to every government whim it's difficult, but not impossible.

I watch a lot of youtubes about WWII, looking at how stalin and hitler mesmerized the populations then used them as cannon fodder. It was dreadful living in Germany after the war, with all the cities bombed to dust, but I imagine if you lived on a small farm up by the Swiss border you might have fared alright?

 

[Dies Irae]

but I imagine if you lived on a small farm up by the Swiss border you might have fared alright?

After the war i guess it was a game of luck. War officialy ended but thousand of soldiers remained and were eager zo fight. So lots of them started looking for "enemy" in these areas.
But thats a discussion for a different thread

 

[GaRp58]

It is already so in Italy that you are not allowed to buy or sell anything for more than €50,00. Everything else with a higher price can only be bought with an electronic means, credit card, debit card, bank transfer or online so it can be monitored by the "authorities" meaning the normal mafia which has run Italy since WWI and probably even before that. (Medici family)

 

[ShadowWolf 13]

I have this shared before but still matches my opinion on the topic

 

[backandbeyond]

It is already so in Italy that you are not allowed to buy or sell anything for more than €50,00.

There is a similar law in Australia, 10k. We regularly buy and sell privately for a lot more than that though. Where there is a will there is a way.