How utterly delicate and vulnerable technology and society today actually is

[Silent Earth]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...destroy-Britain-sabotaging-car-s-sat-nav.html

I will never be 100% reliant on technology such as computers, sat navs etc, nor on the state / police to protect me, nor the NHS to care for me, nor for the supermarkets to feed me, nor for the power and utilities to supply me. Nor should you lot be.

 

[Brent S]

The book I just finished, one second after, really showed how easily these helpful technologies could be lost, and what the devistating consequences would be. I can't stress enough for everyone to take time to consider what it would take to live without electricity and have some supplies on hand to at least be able to function without it. It's a lot easier to gather supplies now than after something unthinkable happens. Makes me think of an image I saw of Allepo on the news. A little boy was starting a fire on the street to cook or boil water on. He was 5 or 6 and was practiced at how to gather and start a fire better than most Boy Scouts here. I bet the average citizen of Allepo also said that nothing will ever go bad here too.

 

[Brent S]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...destroy-Britain-sabotaging-car-s-sat-nav.html

I will never be 100% reliant on technology such as computers, sat navs etc, nor on the state / police to protect me, nor the NHS to care for me, nor for the supermarkets to feed me, nor for the power and utilities to supply me. Nor should you lot be.

What's funny is I've become dependent on my gps driving directions too. I don't even have a good current up to date map of my state here. When driving in Atlanta I'd be lost without it. Oh well, if shtf, I wouldn't be driving in Atlanta anymore.

 

[Silent Earth]

The book I just finished, one second after, really showed how easily these helpful technologies could be lost, and what the devistating consequences would be. I can't stress enough for everyone to take time to consider what it would take to live without electricity and have some supplies on hand to at least be able to function without it. It's a lot easier to gather supplies now than after something unthinkable happens. Makes me think of an image I saw of Allepo on the news. A little boy was starting a fire on the street to cook or boil water on. He was 5 or 6 and was practiced at how to gather and start a fire better than most Boy Scouts here. I bet the average citizen of Allepo also said that nothing will ever go bad here too.

Depending on your income and lifestyle and just how far into prepping you are you need to constantly assess what sort of back ups you need
Mains power = From Flashlights to generators
Mains water = From Keeping a few gallons to digging your own well
Transport -= From Multiple vehicles and extra fuel to keeping a bicycle
Navigation = From GPS to cheap tourist maps to professional map and compass
Food = From growing / canning/ preserving to keeping a few extra tins
Medical = From full battlefield type trauma kits to Mini FAK
Security = from AR15 kit to a pocket knife

This groups are endless but we need always to have some level of back up no matter how small.

 

[Silent Earth]

What's funny is I've become dependent on my gps driving directions too. I don't even have a good current up to date map of my state here. When driving in Atlanta I'd be lost without it. Oh well, if shtf, I wouldn't be driving in Atlanta anymore.

Unlike your looking for Daryl and Rick at the CDC

 

[Brent S]

Depending on your income and lifestyle and just how far into prepping you are you need to constantly assess what sort of back ups you need
Mains power = From Flashlights to generators
Mains water = From Keeping a few gallons to digging your own well
Transport -= From Multiple vehicles and extra fuel to keeping a bicycle
Navigation = From GPS to cheap tourist maps to professional map and compass
Food = From growing / canning/ preserving to keeping a few extra tins
Medical = From full battlefield type trauma kits to Mini FAK
Security = from AR15 kit to a pocket knife

This groups are endless but we need always to have some level of back up no matter how small.

Good point, no matter what your budget is there are things you can do.

 

[Brent S]

Unlike your looking for Daryl and Rick at the CDC

I can't imagine any thing worth going into a large city post shtf.

 

[Silent Earth]

I can't imagine any thing worth going into a large city post shtf.

how about not being able to get OUT of said city?

 

[lonewolf]

I don't use Sat Nav's..hate the things, I use a map, wife has sat nav on her phone and only uses when driving further afield- which lane to get in, which roundabout to turn off at that sort of thing. I don't think either of us could care less if the thing stopped working.

 

[lonewolf]

I can't imagine any thing worth going into a large city post shtf.

I don't know of any reason to go into a large city NOW!!

 

[jimLE]

so many people are SO reliant on gps,electronics,etc etc. they'd be totally helpless without it.same goes for computers,cell phones to vehicles..especially the ones that grew up dependant on those items..i have a gps in the car.but it's mainly there on account it shows the speed im going.and it has a clock,in which i can see and read when i can't see or read the dashboard clock from sun glare..i rarely use it to go from point A to point B. on acount i know where im going,and how to get there.BUT,we're up a creek if a emp hits.especially if it's as strong as the 1859 emp..on account the car has all that computer stuff in it..

 

[Mountain trapper]

I can't imagine any thing worth going into a large city post shtf.

I can't imagine any reason to go into a large city now. Except when I pick my wife up at the airport, even then I just go around the city.

 

[lonewolf]

the only reason I would have to go into a city is shopping, and I can order anything I want online and get it delivered to the door, it keeps our postie in work and then you get all the gossip! if the internet stopped working so would the shops so still no reason to go into a city, even less reason.

 

[jimLE]

the 2 primary cities we normally go to,has a population of 36,085 and 100,223..in which the one with the smallest population,is the one we normally go to..another city we go to,time to time,is a college town of 33,868..them streets are to narrow to my liking..but thats only because of the amount of traffic the streets have on a daily basis.. i love the country life..

 

[lonewolf]

the 2 primary cities we normally go to,has a population of 36,085 and 100,223..in which the one with the smallest population,is the one we normally go to..another city we go to,time to time,is a college town of 33,868..them streets are to narrow to my liking..but thats only because of the amount of traffic the streets have on a daily basis.. i love the country life..

they'd call them towns in the UK-especially the smaller one! there are only 2 cities in my county..30 and 50 miles away, one has a population of 130,000 and the other (my old home town) has a population of 250,000, neither could be called large when you note Birmingham has a population of 1.1 million and London is over 8 million, thankfully both are hundreds of miles away from me.

 

[SheilaT.]

"It was January 26, and the problem was first picked up in the early hours by members of the U.S. Air Force Space Command at a base in Colorado.

Something had gone wrong during the decommissioning of SVN23, one of the global positioning satellites (GPS) orbiting the Earth — something that appeared infinitesimally small but was actually hugely significant."


Uhuh, that's what you get for feeding a fat old man 7,404,976,783 mince pies and glasses of Sherry. He gets home 3 sheets to the wind and forgets to unhitch the reindeer. So while he's sleeping it off. Santas sleigh causes chaos in the skies above.

 

[user 6493]

I can't imagine any thing worth going into a large city post shtf.

if like me and we are talking nuclear,I am not going anywhere for a month, I can see a trip in for clothing ammo and food once maybe twice,I figure depending on who is left food will be gone in a month 2 at the most,,,if things are as I expect,going from house to house will be the better option

 

[lonewolf]

trouble with house to house is you don't know who is in there and if your on your own you have no one to watch out for you, I suppose you could watch the houses for awhile to see if anyone is moving about but what if they are hunkered down keeping quiet? ? I think commercial properties are a safer bet, small industrial units and village shops will be my target.

 

[Undertaker]

Rise of the Machines(Artificial Intelligence) folks....Machines run our lives day in and day out and we never consider what the consequences would be if all that were gone. This younger generation has become way to dependent on modern technology which in the future maybe its ultimate undoing...Been in Walmart and watched teens texting on phones never looking up and almost running into some one else....Pisses me off!

http://www.economist.com/news/brief...nce-scares-peopleexcessively-so-rise-machines

This is a long article but well worth the read..

 

[Gazrok]

The book I just finished, one second after, really showed how easily these helpful technologies could be lost, and what the devistating consequences would be.

Good book.

I keep updated maps in the truck.
A county map.
A state map.
A regional (southeast US) map.

I know the basic necessities of reading them, but no expert, but enough to find the right road.

 

[Brent S]

Good book.

I keep updated maps in the truck.
A county map.
A state map.
A regional (southeast US) map.

I know the basic necessities of reading them, but no expert, but enough to find the right road.

I've got a rand McNally atlas, but it's several years old now. Should add a more updated version to my list. Honestly though, if shtf, I plan to travel very little. I think going out would put you at way more risk than is worthwhile. Not to mention that fuel would be at a premium instantly.

 

[WGregMiller]

I downloaded USGS todo maps of my county and the surrounding counties. Uncle Sam taught me how to use them, plus it helps to have a plotter capable of printing on 2 foot wide paper. I need to get them laminated though.

I need to go do some map work in the field though to knock off some of the rust. I actually enjoy that much more than following a gps. I also need to start teaching my wife how to use those maps. That should be a blast....

As far as gps in a car, I rarely use. Anywhere around here I've most likely driven, but I really should get some maps.....

 

[WGregMiller]

Damn autocorrect. TOPO maps... friggin technology....

 

[Mountain trapper]

I have topo maps of most of my area. In Post SHTF I doubt if I'll travel more than 20 miles from here. I really don't need too many maps anyway. There's only one road going north and south through this area and to the west is one narrow steep road that's impassable for half the year. Everything I need is right here.

 

[Mountain trapper]

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[lonewolf]

Rise of the Machines(Artificial Intelligence) folks....Machines run our lives day in and day out and we never consider what the consequences would be if all that were gone. This younger generation has become way to dependent on modern technology which in the future maybe its ultimate undoing...Been in Walmart and watched teens texting on phones never looking up and almost running into some one else....Pisses me off!

http://www.economist.com/news/brief...nce-scares-peopleexcessively-so-rise-machines

This is a long article but well worth the read..

you are so right, if the lights went off they'll be pissing themselves with fright.

 

[lonewolf]

I have topo maps of most of my area. In Post SHTF I doubt if I'll travel more than 20 miles from here. I really don't need too many maps anyway. There's only one road going north and south through this area and to the west is one narrow steep road that's impassable for half the year. Everything I need is right here.

we've got 2 roads that go by not far away, one goes East -West and the other North-South, neither are major roads . I mostly use back country unclassified roads anyway.

 

[Gazrok]

Honestly though, if shtf, I plan to travel very little

During the collapse, I'd likely travel a little just to stock up on things I couldn't buy enough of before hand (like medicines, etc.). If I got there and there's another, or fighting, I'd simply go to the next on my list.

After that though, likely not much (though I would be able to make and find fuel for the truck, hopefully...it's a diesel with multiple tanks).

 

[lonewolf]

i wont be going far, I don't intend travelling DURING the collapse when all the sheeple are going crazy. the nearest pharmacy is 10 miles away, the next filling station-when ours here is empty- is either 13 miles North or 13 miles West, I shall be concentrating on small village shops.

 

[Gazrok]

No need for topo maps in Florida...it's all flat...lol.