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Point being, I think the whole "SHTF lifestyle" is mostly a made up and completely undefined quantification as most people don't even define exactly how/why the SHTF.


Hmmm. Interesting statement
Do you have health insurance?
I am sure you do
Why? You are not sick
Ohhhhhh! You have insurance because you MIGHT get sick
What illness is going to make you sick?
Wha?? You do not know? Then why do you have insurance

I think I made my point
 
Hmmm. Interesting statement
Do you have health insurance?
I am sure you do
Why? You are not sick
Ohhhhhh! You have insurance because you MIGHT get sick
What illness is going to make you sick?
Wha?? You do not know? Then why do you have insurance

I think I made my point
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Insurance ain't gonna mean much come SHTF... depending on insurance to make your problems going away is certainly not concurrent with a shtf lifestyle whatever that is. Especially since insurance as a whole is racket which is only neccessary because of an inherently corrupted medical system which is nothing more than another symptom of a weak, valueless society.

I think you missed the main point of.my statement being that SHTF needs to be defined.

Alot of folks try to quantify their own personal tragedies as SHTF but that's rarely the public context that would merit most of the types of preparations the survival community thinks are pertinent to make concerning some sort of societal collapse/unrest.
 
You prep to insulate yourself not solely from the effects of the parent event but to give you and yours time to navigate the transitional timeframe.
That transition depends on what occurred, global? Regional? Governmental? Local?..... We don't know, cause whatever it is jest ain't happened yet.
There has always been survivors, that's why we are here.
I am gettin older my physical abilities are goin away( dang it ) but I have children/ grandchildren/ now even great grandchildren and I strive to be a beacon of knowledge, skills and influence.
You may not have children and you may live a solitary style life but even the most secluded hermit touches the minds and life of at least six or seven others.
 
You may not have children and you may live a solitary style life but even the most secluded hermit touches the minds and life of at least six or seven others.
I doubt that very much, and post SHTF it will be much less than that.
post die off there will be less people around and what there are will be spread out across the entire country.
I have no children and most of my family is now deceased, one cousin and one half sister who I havent seen since before Covid and probably will never see again post SHTF.
 
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Insurance ain't gonna mean much come SHTF... depending on insurance to make your problems going away is certainly not concurrent with a shtf lifestyle whatever that is. Especially since insurance as a whole is racket which is only neccessary because of an inherently corrupted medical system which is nothing more than another symptom of a weak, valueless society.

I think you missed the main point of.my statement being that SHTF needs to be defined.

Alot of folks try to quantify their own personal tragedies as SHTF but that's rarely the public context that would merit most of the types of preparations the survival community thinks are pertinent to make concerning some sort of societal collapse/unrest.
Respectively disagree
Insurance is to care fore you on the event the unexpected happens

Prepping is the same thing.

Also
Define shtf
Define what illness you bought insurance for?

Same MF thing
 
Like the title says, I know nothing about prepping. Help me understand it more. For instance, what are you prepping for: A shortage of goods like we had on toilet paper or a breakdown of society like Road Warrior? And I "assume" that the difference in those 2 examples would wildly differ in how you prep. Like I've heard talk about buying silver & gold. Gold I don't understand unless you using it as a hedge for stocks or cash. But in the RWarrior type prepping I would think that it wouldn't be valuable. Even silver wouldn't mean as much as gas or bullets. So please explain to me what your expecting might happen & how you prep for it.
Hey Old Tex

If you are physically able I would like to ask you to play along

Let's say Katrina hits your area RIGHT This Minute. Power is off, water is off, no cable no phone all cell towers down
Transportation is at a dead still, no power means no gas, no fuel means no food delivery trucks

Basically Old Tex I just gave you exactly what Katrina was like

So. How long can you survive with just the goods in your home ?
1 week? 2?
Preppping is having the resources to keep your family afloat fed and safe
When things like that happen
 
Respectively disagree
Insurance is to care fore you on the event the unexpected happens

Prepping is the same thing.

Also
Define shtf
Define what illness you bought insurance for?

Same MF thing
Insurance is the act of collectivising your risk, id argue its unamerican. It's a racket that has created regulations that have driven prices out of control and removed competition from the free market process.

I am forced to own various types of insurance by law, and furthur must own them because market conditions (created by the insurance racketeers) have made the costs of medical care and other facets of our economy absurdly unafforable. this means that the weakness of fat, unhealthy and irresponsible people has ultimately been subsidized to strong and otherwise healthy people like me and my family because medical care in the case of catastrophic injury/illness is quite literally capable of bankrupting me and the vast majority of other Americans. This is NOT a good system, and the founders would be rolling in their graves to see our economy and taxes being used to prop up this racket in the name of "pertinence" or "preparedness" they would likely cause a "SHTF" to prevent such a process from becoming the status quo.

Anyways... Not all prepping is for SHTF, many preppers don't care about "SHTF" and use the term to define almost anything that goes wrong in their lives 🙄. The fact that people are legally obligated to own insurance and the fact that it is so widespread hardly makes it a qualification for what defines a "prepper" (which is a term I wouldn't consider myself really btw) as it would mean that the vast majority of the population would be considered preppers then...

"Define SHTF"
is the whole point of my comment. It's a slang term and therefor has a highly subjective meaning. In the context of what most SHTF discussion that I see revolves around I personally would define it as widespread unrest/collapse of society itself not everyday preparedness around more regular, localized or personal emergencies.

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If you're not preparing for the worst, what are you preparing for? Are your pans reliant on availability of food because you "know" it will "always" be there at some price? Are you planning on government to somehow provide food? Or will you rely on a deep larder and the means to resupply and defend it? What you have is all you'll have, if you can keep it.

Most of us won't survive SHTF. History has shown everything can collapse really fast. What will remain intact after the first few weeks? For those not already well situated it's probably too late, the learning curve is steep and the consequences of failure are final. The important decisions have already been made.

Stay away from crowds.
 
It's always been hard to fight normalcy bias. But in these times, for someone to not see how things are headed?
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Hey Old Tex
If you are physically able I would like to ask you to play along
Let's say Katrina hits your area RIGHT This Minute. Power is off, water is off, no cable no phone all cell towers down
Transportation is at a dead still, no power means no gas, no fuel means no food delivery trucks
Basically Old Tex I just gave you exactly what Katrina was like
So. How long can you survive with just the goods in your home ?
1 week? 2?
Preppping is having the resources to keep your family afloat fed and safe
When things like that happen
Ok I though it was more for the end of society kind of thing. In the above case, I think we would be more than ok. My wife is grew up in MN & 2 weeks before you can get to a store was a minor winter problem. One side of our kitchen has 26 feet of cupboards & that's the food side & it's food. We have 2 freezers, which would spoil after a while but can goods, we could live on for a while. And we kind of live down town so in the past electricity hasn't failed for more than a couple of hours. I'm not putting on airs to say that we live in the old rich part of town & they get service first. (We bought when it was cheap & couldn't afford our house now). We also have a propane grill & if needed a moveable pit that we could burn wood in & we even have wood. Oh & we have a gas stove & fireplace. So I guess that we would be able to last a pretty long time.

As far as the end of the world stuff, I have 3 guns but not a lot of ammo. My best friend could loan me 5 or 6 guns/rifles & still have enough to arm a few more people. And the guns stores would run out of ammo before he did. He's an end of the world prepper but the only one that I have ever known, that's why I asked.
 
damn Cannon you keep going off the deep end with rants
I did not mention the insurance Industry
I said insurance

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Insurance ain't gonna mean much come SHTF... depending on insurance to make your problems going away is certainly not concurrent with a shtf lifestyle whatever that is. Especially since insurance as a whole is racket which is only neccessary because of an inherently corrupted medical system which is nothing more than another symptom of a weak, valueless society.

I think you missed the main point of.my statement being that SHTF needs to be defined.

Alot of folks try to quantify their own personal tragedies as SHTF but that's rarely the public context that would merit most of the types of preparations the survival community thinks are pertinent to make concerning some sort of societal collapse/unrest.
i did not miss your point, You simply did not understand mine, look up compare. Then reread my post
Use your critical thinking skills
I Compared having insurance ( not the insurance industry) to prepping
See if you can understand that, if not I will be happy to explain
 
Hello Old Tax. It's hard to get an answer to that from a hundred people all at once.

I suggest you do it this way:
Read this 30 Minute outline first Family Prepping.

Then scan Group Survival for some more details that strike your fancy.
Both sites should help you get there quickly and cheaply.

Then come back here and ask more specific questions.
This will get you your answers a lot faster when you comeback for specifics.

Best of luck.
 
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damn Cannon you keep going off the deep end with rants
I did not mention the insurance Industry
I said insurance


i did not miss your point, You simply did not understand mine, look up compare. Then reread my post
Use your critical thinking skills
I Compared having insurance ( not the insurance industry) to prepping
See if you can understand that, if not I will be happy to explain
It's not a rant, merely an explanation of why insurance ≠ SHTF preparedness, SHTF "lifestyle" or even basic self reliance.
 
First off,I have no idea what shtf preparedness is
My answer clearly said prepping

You do know their is a difference right?

Prepping is gathering and storing provisions that you and family may use if their is a disruption in the every day utilities or chain of commerce

Shtf preparedness is preparing for survival in an Unstable environment
 
Now that you have been skooled on the difference. We can resume our discussion on what I meant when I said
Prepping is like having insurance
I do not give a rats ass as to your political beliefs on whether insurance is legal , moral, or constitutional. None of that his part of the discussion
The intent of insurance is to be a
financual plan put in place by you to pay for emergency services if you meet with a personal disaster

The same goes for prepping
A plan put in place by you to feed your family if a disaster comes along

You can word pick this if you wish and go into great detail as to blah blah blah



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Sourdough you couldn't be more wrong. I wasn't baiting at all. My neighbor is more or less a prepper so I know what he does. I just wondered what the preppers here project will happen & what they do about it. Those questions could probably be answered in 4 or 5 sentences. As for the gold & silver comment, I've invested in gold before (lost my butt) so I know a little about it. I just couldn't see shaving a ingot of gold to buy bread or whatever. And silvers worth would be dependent on what type of crash your living in. All of my knowledge about prepping is based off of talking to my neighbor (the first prepper I've ever talked to).

I guess that I more or less expected people to say something like I'm prepping for a mild crash & stockpiling for that. Or maybe I'm expecting war on the streets & prepping for that war (my neighbor). As for reading all the posts on prepping, I don't think those would really answer my general basic questions.

I don't mean to cause problems or start anything. I was just wondering. Oh & I'm not for or against prepping because I don't really know enough about the "movement".
If you lost your butt then you probably sold your gold. The selling of PM’s, before the SHTF, is not part of prepping. PM’s are a hedge against inflation. Before you buy PM’s you buy a ton of food and pay off your mortgage. Paying interest on gold is self defeating.

You ask questions that people have written books about and still have not fully covered, and expect an answer in 4 or 5 lines? This is why people are leery about you. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, please be aware that your questions are very similar to trolls that most of us have dealt with for years. Please don’t be insulted I can’t think of a more polite way to inform you where some of us are coming from. Dig around in the old posts and then focus your questions into a more specific area.
 
Like the title says, I know nothing about prepping. Help me understand it more. For instance, what are you prepping for: A shortage of goods like we had on toilet paper or a breakdown of society like Road Warrior? And I "assume" that the difference in those 2 examples would wildly differ in how you prep. Like I've heard talk about buying silver & gold. Gold I don't understand unless you using it as a hedge for stocks or cash. But in the RWarrior type prepping I would think that it wouldn't be valuable. Even silver wouldn't mean as much as gas or bullets. So please explain to me what your expecting might happen & how you prep for it.
If you have Abnormalcy Bias and a survivalist mindset, then everything we tell you about prepping will make complete sense to you.

If you have Normalcy Bias (like 90% of the general population do) and the average mindset of people in the general population, then none of what we say will make any sense.

It is all about mindset.

The above is why you can't talk your neighbors into prepping.

The above is why you can't form a group of people, from a random crowd of normal people, into a survival community, before, during or after a crisis.

Even when very severely changed conditions are all around them, they still wont get it.

Nothing short of head transplant from a donor that had a survivalist mindset will work.
 
Now that you have been skooled on the difference. We can resume our discussion on what I meant when I said
Prepping is like having insurance
I do not give a rats ass as to your political beliefs on whether insurance is legal , moral, or constitutional. None of that his part of the discussion
The intent of insurance is to be a
financual plan put in place by you to pay for emergency services if you meet with a personal disaster

The same goes for prepping
A plan put in place by you to feed your family if a disaster comes along

You can word pick this if you wish and go into great detail as to blah blah blah



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No man, you moved the goal post is what you did claiming that you were always talking about prepping when the quoted portion of my comment you attacked was about post SHTF lifestyle.

Observe:
The first comment to you responded to was this.
Point being, I think the whole "SHTF lifestyle" is mostly a made up and completely undefined quantification as most people don't even define exactly how/why the SHTF.

I was not talking about just "prepping" we were talking about post SHTF lifestyle. You took a small portion of what i was saying to another person completely out of context and Now you're trying to say it's "just about prepping" when I refuted your point saying that paying for insurance before shtf ≠ shtf lifestyle especially in the context (surviving the transitional period post shtf) of the rest of the original comment i had replied to sourdough with.

You really haven't made a single point...

The original comment was for Sourdough- you decided to jump in on it which is totally fine, except that your entire line of reasoning was non sequitur.

Idk what to tell ya fella. I wish you the best.
 
OldTex
Years ago Katrina hit I was not in Louisiana but I was within 100 miles of New Orleans.
At the time I stocked food and water along with powder and lead. My closest neighbor considered me a total nut job
Power was out for 2 weeks no water either
I kept his family fed along with my own
The fact that what I was into proved itself to him and changed his thinking
He now is a prepper and I pick on him about being a nut job😂
As far as gold and silver that is not for me I built a still and have learned to make a very good drop now and then. I see that liquid as cash if needed
 
...I just wondered what the preppers here project will happen...
I don't project that anything will happen. Indeed, I hope that what will happen is that everything will be wonderful until my children pass.

That seems a little optimistic, however. Humanity in general, and nations in particular, do go through bad times on a fairly regular basis, whether it be a world war, or an economic collapse, or a pandemic, or whatever. Each person can expect to see something interesting in their lifetime. I'd say we've been pretty lucky since WWII, but just ask yourself: Does that mean we will keep being lucky? Or, are we due for something to happen? Do you have confidence in the fiscal policy of the United States?Other policies?

You can bet on red every spin of the roulette wheel, but eventually the wheel will end up on black, and then what. Are you prepared for black?...or are you prepared only for red?

... & what they do about it.
Since I have children, that means I have responsibilities. If bad things happen (whatever they may be...we can't know, and I make no predictions whatsoever), I have two choices:
  1. I can rely on the government to take care of me and my children.
  2. I can take the responsibility upon myself, and not rely on others. Prepping is really just self-reliance.
As for the gold & silver comment, I've invested in gold before (lost my butt) so I know a little about it.
I have investments. I have those on the chance that everything goes well, and no bad times come. They are for my peaceful retirement, to allow me to travel, and have a place to live, without depending on my children to care for me. That is prepping for good times (and even the good times may include a lack of social security benefits).

I don't invest in gold. I put part of my wealth into gold and silver to be ready for a financial crisis involving the collapse of the dollar (e.g., super inflation or hyper-inflation). When the dollar inflates (the dollar loses value), the price of gold measured in dollars goes up. So, my wealth is preserved to the extent I stored that wealth in a non-inflationary medium such as gold.

I just couldn't see shaving a ingot of gold to buy bread or whatever. And silvers worth would be dependent on what type of crash your living in.
When I do buy metals, I definitely don't buy large ingots, and certainly nothing larger than an ounce. I buy coins, all the way down to a tenth of an ounce of gold (each now valued at $245) and pre-1965 US dimes (which are 90% silver) which I can sell right now for a little over $2 at my local coin store. I don't anticipate shaving any part off of a large ingot of gold. I doubt any prepper would consider that an option, when there are much better options available (like pre-1965 US coins). Do some research; if something seems silly to you, you can probably find a better, non-silly way to do it.

Of course, metals may not have value in some scenarios (even though it has had value during the worst of times in the past 5000 years). Think of those other scenarios, and what would have value in those scenarios, and prepare for them as well if you think they may happen. There is no one thing to do to prep for all scenarios.

My goal: If something bad happens, I want to be able to turn to my family, and have options for them besides getting in line for handouts by a government which may or may not be providing them.

Does that answer your questions?
 
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Ok I though it was more for the end of society kind of thing. In the above case, I think we would be more than ok. My wife is grew up in MN & 2 weeks before you can get to a store was a minor winter problem. One side of our kitchen has 26 feet of cupboards & that's the food side & it's food. We have 2 freezers, which would spoil after a while but can goods, we could live on for a while. And we kind of live down town so in the past electricity hasn't failed for more than a couple of hours. I'm not putting on airs to say that we live in the old rich part of town & they get service first. (We bought when it was cheap & couldn't afford our house now). We also have a propane grill & if needed a moveable pit that we could burn wood in & we even have wood. Oh & we have a gas stove & fireplace. So I guess that we would be able to last a pretty long time.

As far as the end of the world stuff, I have 3 guns but not a lot of ammo. ...
For end of the world stuff...

You may want to think about water first (before food or guns). People always think preppers go to guns first, and sometimes they do, but they shouldn't. Water is far more important. What would you do if the water stops coming out of your faucet? How far is the nearest lake or creek? How many people will you be sharing that source with? Is it safe to drink? Can you filter it or purify it? Can you transport it?

You say you would be more than ok...for how long? What if an EMP knocks out our grid and cars and trucks don't run...so food and medicine won't be delivered to your city for months, maybe a year? What will happen in your downtown area when that happens?...it won't be pretty. (The government has published information about EMP, but if you want to read a fiction book that outlines the risk, get "One Second After" by William Forstchen. The book is fiction, but the science behind the event is real, and the risk to society is well covered, and maybe an easier read than the government reports.)

I think if you gave some serious thought to it, you would realize you won't last as long as you think you will, especially in a down town area.
 
Will you start a thread about perimeter alarms, please? Help us to know what is helpful.
Maybe. The last time I tried to share what I knew I got yelled at, but that was the forum before this one. If Havisu or Angie says it's OK then I will. the best one I've found lately is to get a solar-powered motion sensor light from Home Depot, wire an alarm into the light, and install it about chest high to keep critters from setting it off.

Many of my perimeter alarms are for post-SHTF ONLY! and do not give any ducks about the civil rights or health of the goon who set it off.

IF they OK it, be prepared for some trips to Bass-Pro, Home Depot, and the dollar store.
 
Water
Life's blood
If you have a garage here is how you can store water
Find discarded water heater tanks. Contact a local plumber and have a talk make a deal to get his water heaters he removes. Yo do not need the burners or elements.

Build a platform to elevate them off the ground. Minimum 4"
Place them side by side.
Remove the drain valve from each tank
Replace with these fitttings in this order
3/4x6" brass nipple, full port 3/4 ball valve
3/4x3 brass nipple, 3/4" brass tee, 3/4" male threaded valve with hose connection
On the side opening of the tee 3/4 nipple and a 3/4 union.

On top of the tank. Put a nipple and valve in both cold and hot openings.

Find the incoming water line from the utility provider. Route the water line to the top cold inlet of the first tank the valve on the hot is for bleeding off air

Route the water from the bottom of tank one. To the top of tank two
Bottom of tank two to top of tank three


The piping configuration will keep your stored water circulation. / moving. No need for maintaining or chemicals
Out of the last tank then route back to where you cut the line to pipe the first tank and tie in the tank line to the house line
In event of loss of water from the provider
Shut off the valve at the incoming water line open the drain valve to access water
At this time. Open the vent to stop air lock

Materials
If tanks are not in direct sunlight. Pvc piping can be used
Cpvc piping can be used
Pex can be used
Copper pipe. Can be used
 
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Whoa! Look at the crapstorm I missed! Now you both are making your points loud and clear, its just that you're not understanding each other! Now I'm betting our buddy Cannon is a militant survivalist, the terminology of survivalism crosses groups, BUT they mean different things.

"INSURANCE" to a Prepper might mean health or home insurance, It comes in handy in non SHTF disasters as well as that seven year supply of dehydrated meals. to a survivalist, it means having a cache or stash to run to if you've lost your primary base of operations/home.
 
do you guys ever sleep lol?

I am beyond prepping/survivalist. We are already as survivalist as we are going to be ( farm, spring water, middle of nowhere, firewood for heat etc) but we do not have a small army to defend what we have if invaders come. We might hold out a little while but not if roaming gangs come here ( maybe eventually, after they raided what's left in the cities)
So I have stopped thinking about it, nothing more I can do.

Right now I am just hoping no major SHTF till we get back home anyway
 

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