Is it racist if it's true

[Doreena]

Now Doreena, making a statement like that... isn't that the equivalent of lighting a firecracker, tossing it, and walking away saying you had nothing to do with it. Don't try playing innocent!

Effectively, the greatest evidence of racism in the US is in equal opportunity employment and affirmative action baloney. By and far. The KKK doesn't do 0.01% of the amount of racism that AA/EOE do every day. Another example, blacks say 'n------' to one another 100 times more than whites say it to blacks on any day of the year. Does it make it right? Nope. But can you point out one white guy who says it in anger when 100 black guys have just said it to each other? And if you can't see this, you're blind to it.

So to say racism is a problem today is the same as saying slavery and the black plague are a problem today. They're not extinct, but it's not enough of a problem to deserve 1% of the attention it gets. And, it's biggest problem is gov't activities.

A true story. A friend of a friend had a business with 50-100 employees. Note, this is 20+ years ago. The local NAACP group had a 'meeting' with him. More of a blackmail meeting, they told him 32% of the local community was black and he had to have 32% black employees or they were going to go after him. He told them to put it in writing and come back in a week. A week later he told them he had to fire 4 black guys and hire 4 white guys to get to their 32% number. They hee'd and haw'd, but he kicked them out & told them not to come back because he had their demands in writing. That's what much of real racism looks like today, Jessie Jackson style.

Ok, if it looked to you as if I lit a firecracker and backed off, I can see your point. It wasn’t my intent. I apologize for that. As for your story, boycotts are part of the freedom we enjoy. It may not be what you want to hear, but if is called voting with your money...if you disagree with a companies policy, you take your business elsewhere, I am sure you have done just that. I am not sure how to classify that action...if a racially cohesive group decides to boycott a business, is that racism? Maybe. But it would go both ways. You are free not to buy from them, too. Of course, that sounds counter productive, like a trade war....


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[TexasFreedom]

Doreena,

I didn't say anything about a boycott. What are you talking about? I am just fine with individuals deciding who they want to and who they don't want to do business with. And that goes for both the individual and for the business.

An example, if a restaurant decides to eject a conservative politician because of their politics, that is exactly their right. And every conservative can decide to never eat there again, and every liberal can decide to eat there every night. But the same policy goes for the restaurant as well as for the baker who doesn't want to bake a cake for a gay wedding. Gov't has no business in either case. The solution relies on the people: they can support the business or refuse to, and the situation will resolve itself. And I don't really care if the choices are because of race, religion, or politics. But I didn't mention any boycott.

Sounds like you are equating race with welfare and food stamps, but there are much more white folks on these programs.

You are again off on a tangent. I never mentioned race. Not once. I said people on welfare/food stamps need to be given a bag of rice & a bag of beans. No cash, no steaks. I don't care if the person is white, black, orange or polka dot. Skin color is not my problem. The fact that gov't is stealing from me to fund a welfare state is the issue. So, having said that, WHY did you bring RACE into this discussion? You seem to be the one pushing racism here (and this is not a question, this is a statement). So why are you a racist?

 

[Doreena]

Doreena,

I didn't say anything about a boycott. What are you talking about? I am just fine with individuals deciding who they want to and who they don't want to do business with. And that goes for both the individual and for the business.

An example, if a restaurant decides to eject a conservative politician because of their politics, that is exactly their right. And every conservative can decide to never eat there again, and every liberal can decide to eat there every night. But the same policy goes for the restaurant as well as for the baker who doesn't want to bake a cake for a gay wedding. Gov't has no business in either case. The solution relies on the people: they can support the business or refuse to, and the situation will resolve itself. And I don't really care if the choices are because of race, religion, or politics. But I didn't mention any boycott.


You are again off on a tangent. I never mentioned race. Not once. I said people on welfare/food stamps need to be given a bag of rice & a bag of beans. No cash, no steaks. I don't care if the person is white, black, orange or polka dot. Skin color is not my problem. The fact that gov't is stealing from me to fund a welfare state is the issue. So, having said that, WHY did you bring RACE into this discussion? You seem to be the one pushing racism here (and this is not a question, this is a statement). So why are you a racist?

You mentioned “privilege ,“ the topic is racism, sorry if I misunderstood you.


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[DrHenley]

I've got news for you. As of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, restaurants no longer have the right to chose whom they serve.

 

[TexasFreedom]

I've got news for you. As of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, restaurants no longer have the right to chose whom they serve.

No kidding! Maybe I wasn't clear. I think every business and every owner SHOULD have a right to run their business as they see fit. My logic is that the Civil Rights Act has done it's job: as a nation we are 98% non-racist, and the remaining 2% will not be influenced by laws or anything else. So revoke the law and let society choose.

And the results will be that the market will decide who wins and who loses. I'm not going to eat at any restaurant that has a sign "no blacks" or "no whites". I'll be thrilled to eat at the restaurant that has a sign "no illegals". Let people decide where they want to eat or buy a cake or anything else. Each individual will vote with their wallets. Let them.

At the same time I have no problem with someone taking pictures of every car driving into a porn shop and running a classified ad with each vehicle's owner's name and when they went there. Before you yell, I support the same action for someone doing the same to the restaurant with the "no blacks" or "no whites" sign. Let the truth be aired and see what happens.

And after 5 years if we're not happy as a society with how things have gone, sure, bring back some of these laws. I say the same thing to people who have a mortgage on their homes: TRY paying off your house and live a year or two without the mortgage... if you miss the mortgage then you can always go back & get another! Call this my 'libertarian' view.

PS: this method has been used over and over. Tried and true! The US tried Prohibition, it didn't work, and it was revoked. We tried socialized medicine with Obamascare, it didn't work and we're revoking it slowly. We've tried a welfare state and it hasn't worked, and I'm waiting for it to get revoked too!

 

[Doreena]

I've got news for you. As of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, restaurants no longer have the right to chose whom they serve.

But bakery shops do? I thought that was the new ruling?


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[tmttactical]

All businesses can decide whom they will serve and whom they will not serve, they just can't all be honest about it. Simple we reserve the right to refuse service to ANYONE for ANY Reason or no reason at all and then refuse to give a reason. That is the sign I posted in my store and never, ever gave a reason for refusing service, simply point to the sign. If they want to argue, I simply called the police and had them escorted off the property. There is nothing in the law that says you have to give a reason or explain why you refuse service. My company, my phobias, nobodies business. Maybe I am afraid of big bushy hair or tattoos or albino skin color or what ever, just point to the sign and shut up. That will settle all the service problems. It may not settle the problem of irate people, but that is a whole different topic. Unless they can prove I am discriminating based on some protected status, the are just spitting into the wind. Honesty is not always the best policy, in most legal cases, silence is the best policy. Ask anybody who has been involved in a shooting. Like the old song, Silence Is Golden.

 

[DrHenley]

But bakery shops do? I thought that was the new ruling?

That was specialty catering Doreena. Not at all the same thing as just serving someone in a restaurant. The bakery shop never anyone they couldn't buy a cake. And if you get past the headlines and talking points like you say you do, you would know that.