More Police State Violence !!

[Come and Take It]

http://www.fromthetrenchesworldrepo...thout-warrant-and-taze-occupant-filming/44138

 

[Trapper]

Please realize that there are millions of police contacts every year. Only a few are marred by bad actions. I have seen things that happened first hand and when the media got a hold of it the facts were changed to make it news. I dont condone bad cops but some people seem to think every contact a cop has is bad. It gets old seeing these cop bashing threads. I hope some background work is done before posting it to at least make sure what is being posted is not media sensationalism and the facts are presented truthfully.

 

[Trapper]

Finally got the film to play after many attempts. So why was the first part not shown as to why the police were called in the first place? They just dont randomly show up at your front door without someone calling in a disturbance. The people were asked several times to step out and talk and the guy filming was a dick. So if the cops left and then later it was found out the guy had someone kidnapped in the house like what was found in Ohio, then what? Seems they are damned if they do and damned if they dont.

 

[Come and Take It]

That is a big IF !
What IF these punks obeyed the law
And obtained a search warrant?
Instead of violating these peoples
Fourth amendment rights

If LEOs are going to use Ohio
As a reason to kick in doors
All civility in society will
Breakdown.

It's bad enough that there are citizens
Who do rotten things.
It's another when those who's job is to
PROTECT AND SERVE !!
Behave like crack addicts
Doing B & E's for a fix

These are roid rage pussies
Who abuse the people and
Abuse the power of the badge

During the LA Riots these tough guys
Wouldn't go out without our back up

Yes, logic dictates when surrounded
Or confronted with larger numbers,
Bring some friends....
Or bring the engineers from the
Cal Guard

We cannot allow LEOs to operate
On 'What ifs?'

 

[Trapper]

And we should not have to watch the what if's that you post. I am asking again for you to show the first half of the contact. That video does not show the story. What you are posting is just as bad as if someone was a bad cop. If you dont show the whole story, which your video does not, it is nothing but promoting a lie.

 

[Come and Take It]

I posted what was available
I did no editing
However it appears the situation
Was somewhat calm and the cops
Went tilt

 

[Trapper]

It is clear from your posts and rants you hate the govt, police, and any type of authority. You may not have edited anything, I never said you did. If your gonna post this crap why dont you get a FULL VIDEO that shows all of the facts. If the situation was calm, such as your claiming, why were the police called to the residence to begin with? Can you please answer that question? Sorry without knowing what happened before the video started you can't say the police did anything wrong. You posting this type of stuff is just as corrupt as a bad cop on the street. Stop promoting hatred.

 

[Roninsensei]

Unfortunately in this case your both right. A domestic violence call was made. They have probable cause to investigate. How ever they don't have a right to enter without warrant unless an active crime was committed in their presents, and said person was seen fleeing into the house. We also don't see the beginning of the video because the individual didn't start recording until later. Once again if you just look at the video itself it seems condemning. But the whole story isn't there. I don't think the tazer was necessary I didn't see enough resistance to deem it required but I also wasn't there and can't see the level of resistance. Hard one to call.

 

[Come and Take It]

Me re-posting a video is corrupt?
I didn't violate anyone's civil rights,
I didn't taser a single person

This particular video or the other
Badge abuse vids aren't some
David Bay production.

These are over the top cops
Abusing citizens. It could
Happen to anyone, anytime

http://www.copblock.org/

 

[Trapper]

The only one doing any abusing is you. Your abuse is posting something that is less than half true. Like I said before you posting this is just as corrupt as a bad cop. So post the start of this video. For all we know the whole thing is staged!! Can you say for certain it is not? You sure can complain. Back it with the rest rest of the story. Again either put up or shut up.......

 

[Come and Take It]

< I cross my and nod like Jeanie >
Damn my powers are weakening
Either that or what doesn't exist
Cannot be produced

I still don't see how I am corrupt
Or abusive? Not a single person , animal
Or shrubbery was injured by my post
Nor have I used abusive language
Nor have I abused my right to post
Or re-post controversial material

 

[Trapper]

No, you post nothing but hatred. Instead try to find a way to make things better instead of putting up fictional videos that promote hate and distrust. Looking at what you post here thats all you do. Nothing really substantial, just negative garbage. You cant see it cause like you said you suffer from "HUA Disorder (Head Up Ass) from time to time". Time to pull your head out and get some air.

 

[Come and Take It]

Before you take a walk in my world
You Need to take a walk in the real world
Because this ain't no Mister Rogers' Neighborhood

 

[Trapper]

You aint got what it takes to walk in my world, not for one day. Your a keyboard commando, nothing more. You dont know what the real world is, that is obvious from what you post. When is the last time you had someone die in your hands and you could do nothing about it as they begged for help. When have you had a child die in your hands while you do CPR and the parents are standing next to you praying for a miracle. When have you knocked on a parents house and tell them their teenage daughter is dead from a car wreck at 2:00am, only then you might begin to understand. When you almost get killed at work and go home like nothing happened, lets talk. I have done these things and many, many more. I work and live in the real world.
You live in some fantasy land thinking your all it. You cant even say you started a thread on this forum that was not negative or even helpful in anyway. You are not worth the time and effort to waste to talk to.

 

[Clyde]

Unfortunately in this case your both right. A domestic violence call was made. They have probable cause to investigate. How ever they don't have a right to enter without warrant unless an active crime was committed in their presents, and said person was seen fleeing into the house. We also don't see the beginning of the video because the individual didn't start recording until later. Once again if you just look at the video itself it seems condemning. But the whole story isn't there. I don't think the tazer was necessary I didn't see enough resistance to deem it required but I also wasn't there and can't see the level of resistance. Hard one to call.

If they have probable cause to believe a felony is or has been committed then it is my understanding it need not be committed in their presence. Committed in their presence only applies to misdemeanors.

 

[Roninsensei]

Without an eye witness there's no reason to believe it occurred. The burden of proof lies on them.

 

[WILD MAN]

I wasn't there so I can't say for sure but from all my experiences with LEO's I believe that they are the guys that got picked on in high school and now they got a gun and a badge so it's payback time. Look at the facts LEO’s get paid very little for what they are supposed to do, in today’s society there are few motivating factors the biggest one for most people is money. If cops aren’t doing their job for money then why? Authority over others. It’s a big power trip for these guys. There were at least four cops there; if they were really concerned with helping the people wouldn’t their time be better spent checking the terrorist watch list for names like Tsarnaev or Obama.

 

[Mike Quinn]

Surely Mr Obamavich isn't a foreign activist

 

[Kenny Lee]

I wasn't there so I can't say for sure but from all my experiences with LEO's I believe that they are the guys that got picked on in high school and now they got a gun and a badge so it's payback time. Look at the facts LEO’s get paid very little for what they are supposed to do, in today’s society there are few motivating factors the biggest one for most people is money. If cops aren’t doing their job for money then why? Authority over others. It’s a big power trip for these guys. There were at least four cops there; if they were really concerned with helping the people wouldn’t their time be better spent checking the terrorist watch list for names like Tsarnaev or Obama.

I know a few good cops, they are all my friends, and no, they were not picked on in High School. Lots of them are ex-vets. Some of them do it for the money (pay is very good in some places), some do it because it was the easier route for them coming out of the army, some do it because they believe in the mission and generally want to help people. Are there jerks and power tripping cops? You bet, same as in any profession where promotion is possible.

It is easy to spot the jerks and the good guys, but even the good guys can become jerks from repeated abuse from people, and they see the dredges of humanity everyday. It doesn't help the good ones if they feel society is against them, they feel defensive about it.

I can see kicking in the door, they had a domestic abuse call, and the owners refused to let them in stating that everything is okay. The wife could have been bleeding, and dying inside while a random woman says "everything is fine". Tasering may not have been the best route. I am not a big fan of tasers, everyone seems taser happy. The old nightstick which can be more damaging than the taser leaves more options.

Just like the American jurisdictional system, and the golden rule, I treat all LEO's with respect until they disrespect me. You can probably figure out the a-holes from the good guys within the first minute.

Hehe, in the army on July 3rd, a bunch of us were firing off fireworks and a police cruiser came to tell us it was illegal and to do it tomorrow.....well one of my friends accidentally dropped a firework launcher shaped like a mortar tube and it landed on the ground aimed straight at the police cruiser. We were dumb struck as it blasted off 7 rounds at the cruiser bouncing off the hood and wind shield for 15 seconds. We thought we were doomed, but the cop was cool and said stop shooting fireworks and have a good day. I would have been super pissed if that happen to us and we all could not believe how good humored he was about that scene.

 

[Come and Take It]

After a nurse at one hospital tried to give young Sammy medicine that a doctor later explained should not have been administered, Anna became nervous about the quality of Sammy’s care. She expressed her desire to receive a second opinion from another doctor. When the ER refused to discharge Sammy, Anna left with her child and immediately took him to another hospital. Subsequently, the CPS was alerted.


http://weare1776.org/3926/opinion-e...by-sammy-perfect-example-of-power-corrupting/

 

[Come and Take It]

“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

Benjamin Franklin

 

[Come and Take It]

National Police Misconduct NewsFeed Daily Recap 05-14-13

 

[Come and Take It]

My 15 years of Honorable Service,
Honorable discharge and my DD-214 speaks for
itself.

I will not post or publish my service record

 

[Kenny Lee]

Yes, that was pretty stupid scenario, but it wasn't the police's fault there. The doctors told the police the child's life was in immediate danger and needed surgery right then there. The CPS lady should have been fired for saying "I'm not going to tell you where we are going to bring your child, your acting irrational".

 

[Trapper]

I will not post or publish my service record

Maybe post your arrest record and I bet that would explain alot........

 

[Come and Take It]

quite presumptuous aren't you

 

[alabaster]

I'm torn on this one. I agree that the VAST majority of police interactions are positive(Even though their nature is not). Police have to respond ot NEGATIVITY on a regular basis, and what's more, they NEVER, and I mean NEVER get called when things are going okay. Every time they stop someone in traffic, it's because someone is breaking the law(Or the far less common case of police being in the wrong)... I don't think police are perfect, but they have a lot of weight on their shoulders.

People see "Serve and Protect" and think the cops should be there IMMEDIATELY when they call, but cry and complain when the cops catch them speeding. I think the problem with this is a lack of self discipline and courage. Self discipline to keep ourselves from breaking laws, and courage to handle the truly EVIL people that to heinous things every day. In those cases, we often call the cops and expect them to be super heros. Ultimately I think most cops have more to deal with than they should.

That being said, I have had bad experiences with police. I had a police officer charge me with DIP(When I was sober as a stone) and turned the case into a show. Resisting arrest, assault on an officer, illegally concealing a handgun, and other charges that had me facing a 50+ year sentence if the DA knocked the cover off the ball in court. I was never even given a breathalizer when this all happened. I ended up with 120hrs of community service because htey knew there was no case, and I was too afraid to take it to trail so I took a plea. I had another instance a month or so ago where I was given a ticket for crossing the double yellow. Originally it was for doing "50 in a 25", but I took out my phone and started video taping the area and the cars, etc... When the officer saw that I was showing there was NO WAY to be doing 50 there without flipping the car, he changed the ticket entirely. Praise the Lord that I didn't get hit with all that. I was praying and praying that things would work out and He took care of it. This cop lied under oath and told the judge I was a questionable character(Which made the judge uneasy) and argumentative. I geuss the judge figured by "Character" he meant that he didn't like the way I look.

I do however, understand that these were 2 very unusual instances. I have had tickets and issues with police before that I deserved and took like a man even though I had my ego broken. I have had to c all the police for neighbors abusing dogs, for domestic abuse, and a stalker, among other things in my adult life. Every other time I can think of, they handled things with the utmost professionalism and efficiency. The problem is that when they cross the line into negative behavior, it is VERY hard for John Q Public to stand up against in court or in the street. What amount of misbehavior is acceptable in those circumstances? None, but police are human and we have to remember that none of us are perfect... Not when at work, and especially not in stressful situations.

 

[jayjay1]

Not sure the types of tazers are used in the US, but here Down Under they are fitted with cameras that record ALL incidents. Every time it is used, the film is then inspected for wrongful use.
I do agree this though, people are quick to judge without having all the facts, and sometimes media get hold of what is sensational, and run with that story. But, hey, that's not the medias job is it, to report on the truth, no, it's to report on what gives them more attention, or what the political agenda is for the media reporting.is. Unfortunately, every media has a bias, left, right or backwards and forwards. Hard to make a judgement call unless one is there and has ALL the facts.

 

[Gazrok]

I've had both good and bad experiences with police (both recently and in the past). I also have friends who are current or former police. I do find though, that regardless of which you get, a lot of kindness, politeness, and quickly and succinctly answering their questions goes a long way. Probably doesn't hurt having those policeman charity stickers on the back window of the truck either.

 

[Sbrosky1]

Begin with the beginning. The 911 call. The officer is basing his or her first impressions and tactics and strategies on the impressions and information given by the dispatcher who reads only what was placed in the call by the call taker. What happened prior to the video could be a range of reasons for the police to make a warrant less entry. 4th amendment protects your right only as long as someone in that residence is not in imminent fear of great bodily harm or death. If the dispatcher is on the phone with someone in the residence and gets enough information to convey that threat then yes, LEO will make entry. If the LEO hears sounds coming from inside that indicates an assault in progress they will make entry. It falls under probable cause. The LEO will still have to articulate that in front of a judge.

A five year old me wanted to become a LEO and so schooled myself and trained and upon hitting 21 I started applying. Never had been bullied in class and at 5'5" and 110 lbs, I certainly didn't have a bully bone in my body. I don't do it for the money. I don't hold rank. There is no brass on my collar. I have a ticket book in my car and for the last two years I have not written out of it. I am in it solely for the fulfillment I get from helping people. I enjoy my job. Hell, last Christmas, I brought two homeless children to my house instead of letting DSS keep them. My Sgt. was displeased but I gave those girls a good Christmas. They were delighted to simply get a toothbrush. I didn't get a thing from it but the sense of "rightness".

There are good LEOs and bad LEOs. There are good teachers and bad teachers. You can't point to the Catholic Church and claim THEY hold the most Puritan people. With any job that wields a power over a people comes a corruption. LEOs, teachers, preachers, POTUS. I mean really, who has the ability to toss stones?