Well Kiddo, comming from a man, Why don't you try not cooking for him or washing his clothes or other things that are only for him. See how he likes that.
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It is too bad you are so far away but that is why I am trying to set up a get together for as many as possible that can travel. It will be somewhere in the middle of the country and I am working with some on this site and have been talking to guys from my last unit as well to see if we could use their land. As for the gun I recommend you go out and find a range that rents firearms. Talk to the people who work there and rent/hold as many guns as you can. This is the best way to find a gun that fits you. There is no one size/caliber that fits all, but the 9mm is an easy one to use and can have some decent stopping power with the right bullets. But really go to a range and rent away, shoot anything you think you may like and see if it works for you. Everyone can make recommendations or spout credentials but you have to find a weapon that fits you. There are also classes for first time gun users that teach the basics and allow you to shoot many different kinds of guns. Do some Internet searches or go talk to some of the local gun shop owners. They will know where to go for those sort of things. My best recommendation for a new shooter is learn the basics and try,try,try until you find the gun for you. Let me know if you can't find a place like I am talking about and I will ask the owner of the business I work for to see if he knows anything out your way in IL.
Thanks, Army...I will. I'm so distraught right now cuz I just heard the news that Chris Kyle was shot tonight...sounded like a "hit!" So many strange things happening like this....
Yeah I had one for my brother this evening, well maybe more than one, and it is terrible to loose another member of the SO community. It has been a bad month for those guys and he was an amazing human being. I wish I had the privilege of knowing him personally but my condolences go out to his family. He was taken by another mentally disturbed individual who did not get the treatment needed. Seems like a very common thread to all of these shootings. I hope that something can be done to get these people help earlier so these situations don't happen anymore but with our current government I really doubt it.
I think the govt is behind the killings...to coincidental...the guy who had his guns confiscated hadnt done anything wrong...was a collector and sold guns....I dont know...so scary right now to be in America...wish I had the money and means to just leave the country!
Lol! I've often thought of doing just that but couldnt bring myself to being that mean...
This is going to be a rough couple of years and to be honest I am not sure if our Country will come out the other side the same. Most of he American people just trudge along with blinders on thinking everything is fine and the government will fix it but that is not the case. We are in a lot of trouble and our Commander in Chief just keeps talking about shrinking the military and pulling out of all foreign Countries. He is attempting to remove all ground troops from Europe which would greatly lengthen our response time to a crisis but he isn't concerned. He wants all troops out of the Middle East by the end of 2014. Leaving a power vacuum with a battle for control of that whole area. We are screwed to put it bluntly. They will attempt to take away all of our weapons removing the final line of defense against government take over of everything. Disarm the citizens and no one can stop them. I am hoping that Congress comes to its senses and stops this ridiculousness before it gets out of hand but who knows what will happen. That's why I say arm your self now with what you can and get as much ammo as you can to protect you and your family.
I think there is some "Brainwashing" going on too. These people are in counseling and on SERIOUS psychotropic drugs. I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but this kind of thing is just tooooooo odd.
Move in groups and stay in condition yellow. Trust only those who would die for you too... I'm serious, this is getting to be flat-out NUTS.
Move in groups and stay in condition yellow. Trust only those who would die for you too... I'm serious, this is getting to be flat-out NUTS.
I know...I just dont understand it...even my husband doesnt believe anything will happen but I'm soooo scared cuz I just feel something big is coming down...not sure I'll survive it but so scared for my son and I even if we do....feel so alone and just wish we could leave the country right now...a country to blind to see what is even happening to it....nobody is standing up for America and those like Chris Kyle get shot down... behind their backs....
Alabaster, I completely agree it is really out of hand and I am not a conspiracy nut either, but all of this happening after the re-election is just really weird and too coincidental for me, even being a Military guy for so long, and used to taking orders and ignoring certain things ...... This just feels like a set up to remove all say that the people actually have in this Government. All these new drugs that are messing up people so bad and not helping at all? Very strange to me no? I need to get the rest of my 1/2" steel and finish my basement bunker room ASAP! It won't be perfect but with the concrete rebar and plate steel I should be able to keep the family safe for a while. Looking into an NBC filter as well but expensive and I have no connection to get a deal on that. I just don't understand how people don't put 2 and 2 together here? Are people that blind now? Just not sure what to do now and I have never been concerned until this week with all that's happened.
I completely agree and I am picking up another gun tomorrow. It's time to go to condition yellow as Alabaster said, and bring it in tight. Protect your family at all costs. Everyone in this country is blind to what's happening. They think everything is great and yet our economy is collapsing, people are starting to escalate the violence already and I think it's just the beginning. I pray for everyone and that everyone has at least something to protect themselves or a secret out of the way place to go because it may be time to go to that place or tighten up and get ready to fight.i wish it were different but it is BAD!
I'm still in shock over reading about this earlier!
It is terrible and it is a huge lose to the Special Operations community, and the Teams. I did not have the honor of knowing Chris Kyle, but I have seen a lot if blood and death during my 15 years in the Military, and I did have the privilege of working with the SOCOM community when I was a Helicopter Crew Chief and Gunner. Chris was a great man, great operator, and a man with a big heart who was willing to help anyone who needed it. I offer my condolences to his friends and family and Chief we will meet one day on the other side. Fair winds and following seas.
Thank you so much....I will be taking your advice. Really scared cuz I dont know of any "safe" place to go but wish I had the money to get out of the country right now...with son...until all this hopefully passes in four years...or maybe it never will...so much has happened in just the past month...cant see we'll make four years without either being captured, imprisoned and/or killed at this rate. That's why I'm so scared and coming here...nobody around me will even listen...
Hello Kiddo. Your statement about not being that mean just shows how teriffic of a woman you really are. The only thing you can do is prep for you and your son. I've never met your son, but he sounds like a boy that has a good head on his shoulders. Even if I don't know him, tell him for me that I for one am proud of him for helping you. One person said something about people giving you advice and not to think about their experience and credencials. Well, would you take flying advice from someone that has never flown? This is the same thing. Some of us here that have experience also have different thoughts on things, but we have all been there, not like the flying instructor that has never flown. Even though our views differ a bit, we are all pretty much on the same track. All these people that give you advice, ask them how many fire fights have they been in or how many autopsies they have been to and seen how different ammo does different damage. I understand that some are just trying to help, but how can you help someone if you have not been there. Like the ones that tell you about a revolver and a semi-auto. YOU have to really think about it. Why is it that most Law Enforcement Agencies and even our military have gone to the semi-auto? A semi-auto is as simple to use as a revolver and has alot more round capacity. When TSHTF comes the ones that want to kill you and take everything you have stored won't come one at a time. They will be comming in gangs. So YOUand YOU alone have to think if you want to fire 6 rounds and get killed trying to reload, or you want to be able to fire 15 rounds and just press a button and reload in a matter of seconds. All these things YOU and only YOU have to think about. You seem to be a very smart person (for a woman)( just joking). You seem to have enough common knowledge to make up your own mind of which is best. like alot of the guys have said, go to the range and try different weapons and see what is more comfortable for you. Well, Kiddo, got to leave for a while, Be back in a short while.
Thank you, Mastercajun for your kind words....I really needed to hear them today. It's been a very trying day for me so far....dh actually approached me and asked me just what I think I'm doing with all this prepping stuff? When I tried to talk to him about it he got very angry and started saying I was crazy....started asking me where I'm getting all these crazy ideas from and got very confrontational....I tried to talk to him rationally but the more I'd say the angrier he would get...He doesnt really want to hear it....His world is going to work, coming home to a clean house and supper on the table....we dont usually talk....He's been going in and out of the house all day...dont know where he's going but keeps leaving and coming back....I dont feel like arguing any longer with him and so the last time he was here I just told him to forget about everything I said...that I'm not going to be prepping and that he's right about everything....He said I've just gotten some bad info online and I need to stop listening to crazy people who think the worlds coming to an end...said everything is going to be fine and I just said okay and now he's fine again....I'm feeling drained....wishing I could just leave the country...no money and stuck here with a clueless man who will prob just sit and cry when his "fantasy world" collapses around us. Please pray for me and my son....feeling pretty down and depressed right now. He cant work the pc well and I delete my history when I get off here...never told him what websites I go to.
It's like I told you before "he is the idot for not loving you and supporting you". In a marrage, we should support each other and not cut each other down. I think you did the right thing. If you have an attic that is big enough to store things that he wouldn't find, that is a good place for him not to see what you are saving. I still have to say " you are a hell of a WOMAN". Just don't give up. Things will get worst, but just keep on doing what you are doing. With Gods help you will be fine. Time for supper, so I will be back in about an hour. Keep your chin up. Later.
Well Kiddo, Im so full right now feel like a glutton. Don't know if you are still on here but if you are I hope you don't lose courage. I know it can be depressing at times but if we stop, it will only be worst. Then we will not be ready when TSHTF. Dont quit Sweetie. A fello prepper just showed up and he thinks we can buy some storage containers for cheap. We would like to get at least 3. Want to put them together. Then we will have a bigger area of protection. let me know if you think of anything else.
I'm not quitting....just have to be more careful I guess....dont really trust my dh. It's sad to feel that way, but, I just dont....He was acting so weird earlier, started quoting me on stuff and saying I was talking totally crazy about all this preparing for a catastrophe that I was afraid to say anything any more to him...so I wont be in the future. Just wish you all lived closer...
Forget about what he says. I know it's hard and it hurts when he says these things but there is nothing wrong with preparing for something, such as a natural disaster or even a government meltdown, or economic collapse. It's never a bad idea to have a few months worth of food, water, and other supplies. It's also very necessary in these times to have something to protect yourself and your son. If your husband won't listen, just stop telling him about it and talk with us when you need to. My wife thinks I am nuts too but agrees with me a little in that she thinks we should have extra food, water, and other supplies in case of a natural disaster. So I can understand one of what you are going through.
As for MasterCajun, it seems you did not read my post correctly. I was stating that no matter someone's credentials you have to go take a basic firearms course and try,try,try, as many weapons as possible to find the one for you. If you want to know my credentials the list is quite long and yes I have seen plenty of what bullets and many other types of weapons do to the human body. I spent 15 years in the military and did 2 tours in Iraq ( I was wounded during the 2nd tour which put me out of the Army with a Med Retirement). In total I have deployed to the Middle East and SouthWest and SouthEast Asia 10 times since 2000. I am also an NRA Pistol Instructor. I believe I am qualified to discuss anything pertaining to handguns, rifles, shotgun, belt-fed Machine Guns, shoulder fired rocket, and missile launchers too. I am sure your qualifications are long and detailed as well so not trying to fight or get anyone angry just showing I am very qualified and that I was just making a point about selecting a gun for yourself and not having someone tell you to buy a certain type, caliber, brand etc. as I stated no one gun fits everyone and you must try many to get the right one for yourself. I am sure you agree with me on that as you said too. I believe you were or are a police officer so I am sure you have seen plenty as well and I definitely agree that semi auto is the way to go as well. I hope I cleared everything up and I am very abrupt so I apologize if I offended anyone but it comes from leading troops in battle and so many years in the military.
Sjeanine, check your inbox on this site. I sent you something.
Good morning Kiddo. Hope you slept well. It is 6:30 over here and Im having my first cup of coffee. I don't usually sleep this late but it felt good. Saw your post and you are right, it's better not to tell him anything else. If you have a place to store your stuff that he won't see it, like your basement or attic, that would be great. At least you will have something when TSHTF. I will be going to see if I can pick up a storage container today. And yes, I also wish we lived closer. That way we could help each other even more. I will keep trying to help you as much as I can. I know that Army127 will do the same. Army127 and I have the same views on most of this. On your food storage, you can go to youtube and find out alot of info. If you can learn the different ways to can your food, that would be great. We have canned everything from meat to milk to vegies. I took out a jar of soup and one of milk that I had canned almost two yrs. ago and it was as good as the day I canned it. I try to use some of the oldest food I canned to make sure it is still good. I sure have put my pressure canner to use, since I got it. You can also pick up can goods that will stay good for many yrs.. You don't have to buy a bunch at a time. just get a few extra cans every time you go to the store. You will be suprised at how fast it adds up. Also, if you store water, check into pool shock instead of bleach. Pool shock doesn't have all the bad chemicals in it that bleach has. As for weapons, Army 127 and I have the same advice that a semi-auto would be better for you and that you should go to a range and find out what weapon is more comfortable for you.
To Army127--- I think you and I are on the same page. My compairson about flying was for some that haven't had any experience in the field. It wasn't meant for you, because you have been there. It was for the ones that have NOT been there. Like the one (can't remember who) that told Sjeanine to go with a 357. That is to big for Sjeanine and has to much recoil for her. It seems like you are very concerned about Sjeanine, as I am also. I think with you and I together can give her enough info to get her through this. I think we are both uot for her best intrest. I think our credentials speak for themself . Lets keep trying to help her.
Reading some of the OP's posts I get a distinct sense of panic. I'm wondering if I am picking up on that correctly.
Ma'am Do you mind if I ask how long you have been thinking about prepping and what it is that you think is going to happen? Is it going to happen next week?
I hate, with what is only my second post on here, to go against the grain, but I feel like hitting the breaks a bit on what seems to be a very frenzied thread. I feel like you have expressed both an extreme sense of urgency and a small budget. You will not find that those two things go well together.
In the time I spent on this subject my plans have changed many times as I continue to learn more. For every prepping need there are at least ten different ways to prepare. You will read "this" and think it is something you have to have for your family and later find "that" and realize it would have been cheaper and or more efficient. I want to point out an earlier thread were you mention going shopping and starting a red BOB and not being able to remember all of the items you had put in it, but that they were all very important.
I advocate that you take a few deep breaths and read, read, read, here and everywhere else. Then sit down and start forming a plan. I know there is trouble on the horizon, but I'm pretty sure we're safe for the day.
As for the hubby just let him know you've decided to start being more thrifty since prices of his most cherished foods have been going up. watch for a sale on something and buy a case instead of a can. It makes good financial sense, and if you end up with a stock pile of it, well who can complain when it was such a great deal and it will get eaten and enjoyed even if SHTF never happens. Consider being a Coupon clipper. If you have seen that show extreme couponing or what ever it was called you will see people with huge basements full of food and supplies and they don't even consider themselves preppers! Anything you can rationalize rather than hide will be for the better.
Bow hunting with your son sounds great, especially since he expressed an interest on his own anyway.
gardening is a great hobby that does not come off as crazy. Oh, and if you happen to have a bigger crop than you expected, well why not take up canning and save your own vegetables rather than buy them from the store? I'm sure you husband would not want them to go to waste, only to have to buy more from the store throughout the winter!
Have you ever looked at a garden the day after it rains? It is so HAPPY! gardens love rain water much more than tap water, so it makes perfect sense to have a rain barrel or two around the house to use to water your garden. If you water supply is ever lost and you need the barrels to collect drinking water at some point in the future, why that would be purely coincidental, he could never fault you for that, nor would he if he was thirsty.
you and your son could start taking walks, then hiking trips, then hiking trips with big packs on. gradual is good for your fitness development and good for masking you true purpose as well.
Keep a full tank of gas in your car at all times. If he asks why, it is b/c if the tank gets low water can condensate in it, or the sediment in the bottom of the tank can get sucked into the fuel pump and trash it.
you get the idea. Don't implement all of these changes at once or it will be to fishy, and again today is not D day, you don't have to do it all at once.
Ma'am Do you mind if I ask how long you have been thinking about prepping and what it is that you think is going to happen? Is it going to happen next week?
I hate, with what is only my second post on here, to go against the grain, but I feel like hitting the breaks a bit on what seems to be a very frenzied thread. I feel like you have expressed both an extreme sense of urgency and a small budget. You will not find that those two things go well together.
In the time I spent on this subject my plans have changed many times as I continue to learn more. For every prepping need there are at least ten different ways to prepare. You will read "this" and think it is something you have to have for your family and later find "that" and realize it would have been cheaper and or more efficient. I want to point out an earlier thread were you mention going shopping and starting a red BOB and not being able to remember all of the items you had put in it, but that they were all very important.
I advocate that you take a few deep breaths and read, read, read, here and everywhere else. Then sit down and start forming a plan. I know there is trouble on the horizon, but I'm pretty sure we're safe for the day.
As for the hubby just let him know you've decided to start being more thrifty since prices of his most cherished foods have been going up. watch for a sale on something and buy a case instead of a can. It makes good financial sense, and if you end up with a stock pile of it, well who can complain when it was such a great deal and it will get eaten and enjoyed even if SHTF never happens. Consider being a Coupon clipper. If you have seen that show extreme couponing or what ever it was called you will see people with huge basements full of food and supplies and they don't even consider themselves preppers! Anything you can rationalize rather than hide will be for the better.
Bow hunting with your son sounds great, especially since he expressed an interest on his own anyway.
gardening is a great hobby that does not come off as crazy. Oh, and if you happen to have a bigger crop than you expected, well why not take up canning and save your own vegetables rather than buy them from the store? I'm sure you husband would not want them to go to waste, only to have to buy more from the store throughout the winter!
Have you ever looked at a garden the day after it rains? It is so HAPPY! gardens love rain water much more than tap water, so it makes perfect sense to have a rain barrel or two around the house to use to water your garden. If you water supply is ever lost and you need the barrels to collect drinking water at some point in the future, why that would be purely coincidental, he could never fault you for that, nor would he if he was thirsty.
you and your son could start taking walks, then hiking trips, then hiking trips with big packs on. gradual is good for your fitness development and good for masking you true purpose as well.
Keep a full tank of gas in your car at all times. If he asks why, it is b/c if the tank gets low water can condensate in it, or the sediment in the bottom of the tank can get sucked into the fuel pump and trash it.
you get the idea.
Don't implement all of these changes at once or it will be to fishy, and again today is not D day, you don't have to do it all at once.Is this post supposed to be to me? If so, when I said I started a BOB and couldnt remember everything I put in it, it's because I have it packed and couldnt remember every single item I put in it to list here on my post...but all were things I was told or read that others had.....and yes, I dont have a big budget since my dh handles all the money, checking account, etc., and pays all the bills. I'm a stay at home mom who is homeschooling. Yes, I do plan on starting a garden this year and I already bought canning things so I can start learning to can....I am trying to pick up a few extra groceries and wanting to get a gun or weapon and learn how to use it...along with my son. Not sure why you are being so rude to me for not remembering everything I put in my bag that day...wasnt going to go unpack it just to list everything here...
Reading some of the OP's posts I get a distinct sense of panic. I'm wondering if I am picking up on that correctly.
Ma'am Do you mind if I ask how long you have been thinking about prepping and what it is that you think is going to happen? Is it going to happen next week?
I hate, with what is only my second post on here, to go against the grain, but I feel like hitting the breaks a bit on what seems to be a very frenzied thread. I feel like you have expressed both an extreme sense of urgency and a small budget. You will not find that those two things go well together.
In the time I spent on this subject my plans have changed many times as I continue to learn more. For every prepping need there are at least ten different ways to prepare. You will read "this" and think it is something you have to have for your family and later find "that" and realize it would have been cheaper and or more efficient. I want to point out an earlier thread were you mention going shopping and starting a red BOB and not being able to remember all of the items you had put in it, but that they were all very important.
I advocate that you take a few deep breaths and read, read, read, here and everywhere else. Then sit down and start forming a plan. I know there is trouble on the horizon, but I'm pretty sure we're safe for the day.
As for the hubby just let him know you've decided to start being more thrifty since prices of his most cherished foods have been going up. watch for a sale on something and buy a case instead of a can. It makes good financial sense, and if you end up with a stock pile of it, well who can complain when it was such a great deal and it will get eaten and enjoyed even if SHTF never happens. Consider being a Coupon clipper. If you have seen that show extreme couponing or what ever it was called you will see people with huge basements full of food and supplies and they don't even consider themselves preppers! Anything you can rationalize rather than hide will be for the better.
Bow hunting with your son sounds great, especially since he expressed an interest on his own anyway.
gardening is a great hobby that does not come off as crazy. Oh, and if you happen to have a bigger crop than you expected, well why not take up canning and save your own vegetables rather than buy them from the store? I'm sure you husband would not want them to go to waste, only to have to buy more from the store throughout the winter!
Have you ever looked at a garden the day after it rains? It is so HAPPY! gardens love rain water much more than tap water, so it makes perfect sense to have a rain barrel or two around the house to use to water your garden. If you water supply is ever lost and you need the barrels to collect drinking water at some point in the future, why that would be purely coincidental, he could never fault you for that, nor would he if he was thirsty.
you and your son could start taking walks, then hiking trips, then hiking trips with big packs on. gradual is good for your fitness development and good for masking you true purpose as well.
Keep a full tank of gas in your car at all times. If he asks why, it is b/c if the tank gets low water can condensate in it, or the sediment in the bottom of the tank can get sucked into the fuel pump and trash it.
you get the idea.
There are alot of us that have BOB and can't tell you everything that is in it. So get off Sjeanine. She is new to all this and is trying her best to do as as she can with what she has. first of all it is none of your business what she has in her bag. Yes I think you are starting on the wrong foot in this forum. We are all trying to help her and not cut her down. If you can't say something constructive, then please don't say anything at all. As you can see this is from mastercajun. I will be off line until tonight. If you have something bad to say, say it to me, not Sjeanine.
Fear not you have members here who will and are helping you out!
I am glad to hear you are staying the course and doing what you know is right!
"Get off Sjeanine?" Good Lord, If you don't think I had anything constructive to say in my post then maybe I AM in the wrong place!
In no way did I attack her, or anyone. I simply advocated to take it slow if you are new, the world will not end tommorow. The mind swims in the beginning trying to regester it all, trying to think about how to prepare for every eventuality.
Food, water, medical, shelter, defense, etc. which of these problems has one solution that will work for everyone? A good prepping plan is just that, a plan, and a very detailed one that takes a lot of time and thought. I'm not saying anything that most everyone here doesn't already know but had not said to her. Have you ever bought or built something, only later to find out you want it done a different way? I have. I thought the point of sharing was to help others avoid the mistakes you have made.
"lot's of us" don't know whats in your BOB? Really? Just head for the door and hope it's all there?
In no way did I attack her, or anyone. I simply advocated to take it slow if you are new, the world will not end tommorow. The mind swims in the beginning trying to regester it all, trying to think about how to prepare for every eventuality.
Food, water, medical, shelter, defense, etc. which of these problems has one solution that will work for everyone? A good prepping plan is just that, a plan, and a very detailed one that takes a lot of time and thought. I'm not saying anything that most everyone here doesn't already know but had not said to her. Have you ever bought or built something, only later to find out you want it done a different way? I have. I thought the point of sharing was to help others avoid the mistakes you have made.
"lot's of us" don't know whats in your BOB? Really? Just head for the door and hope it's all there?
I don't havt to worry about my BOB, it's all there. My BOL is just about finished and I even have a second BOL for if this one gets overrun. I didn't say everything you said was bad, just the part about her knowing what was in her BOB. Maybe try to be a little more understanding with people that are just starting to prep. WE need to help pick them up and not put down for a little thing like knowing exactly what is in a BOB. Some of us have been prepping for a while and have learned alot, but we might have all been like her at the begining. I, for one will be trying to teach her all I know about canning and food storage. She will need that to help her survive. Lets all work together.
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